NHL Entry Draft HF Sens - 2020 Draft - Top 75 Average Draft Ranking

[Bubba Pilks]

As you are all aware, this draft is absolutely key to the future success of the Ottawa Senators. Though there's lots of uncertainty on how the draft and lottery will unfold, I’ve put together my top 75 rankings. I picked 75, as the Sens currently have 9 picks in that range. I understand that my rankings may differ from others and with all other things being equal; I’ve picked players I'd like on the Sens.

I’d like to get other HFsens top 75 rankings to compile and get an average ranking. I’ll be updating the OP at least every Sunday until the draft takes place. If you cannot do 75, put together what list you can and I will assign an average ranking to all of the other players on other posters lists that are not on yours.

The current formula I have as of now is:

103 total players - 75 players per list = 28 divided by 2 = 14, plus top 75 = 89

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So far I have lists from:

Bubba Pilks – Top 75 (Mar 28, 2020)
Innocent Bystander – Top 75 (Update Apr 16, 2020)
Sens72 – Top 40 (Mar 28, 2020)
Sens of Anarchy - Top 75 (Updated Apr 17, 2020)
GoldenBright - Top 75 (Apr 19, 2020)
theanalytic - Top 75 (Apr 23, 2020)

Here are the results so far (Updated Apr 24 - 8:32pm):

HF Sens Rank​	Average​	Player​	Position​	Height​	Weight​	Team​	Shoots​
1​	1.00​	Alexis Lafreniere​	LW​	6.01​	192​	Rimouski Oceanique​	Left​
2​	2.67​	Quinton Byfield​	C​	6.04​	214​	Sudbury Wolves​	Left​
3​	3.00​	Tim Stutzle​	C/LW​	6.00​	187​	Adler Mannheim​	Left​
4​	4.33​	Lucas Raymond​	RW​	5.10​	165​	Frölunda HC​	Right​
5​	5.17​	Jamie Drysdale​	D​	5.11​	170​	Erie Otters​	Right​
6​	6.33​	Marco Rossi​	C​	5.09​	179​	Ottawa 67's​	Left​
7​	7.83​	Alexander Holtz​	RW​	6.00​	183​	Djurgarden IF​	Right​
8​	8.17​	Cole Perfetti​	C​	5.10​	185​	Saginaw Spirit​	Left​
9​	9.83​	Jake Sanderson​	D​	6.01​	185​	U.S. National U18​	Left​
10​	10.83​	Anton Lundell​	C​	6.01​	183​	HIFK​	Left​
11​	12.17​	Jack Quinn​	RW​	5.11​	176​	Ottawa 67's​	Right​
12​	14.67​	Yaroslav Askarov​	G​	6.03​	176​	SKA-1946 St. Petersburg​	Right​
13​	15.17​	Rodion Amirov​	LW​	6.00​	168​	Salavat Yulaev UFA​	Left​
14​	15.33​	Noel Gunler​	RW​	6.02​	174​	Luleå HF​	Right​
15​	15.67​	Dawson Mercer​	C/RW​	6.00​	179​	Chicoutimi Saguenéens​	Right​
16​	16.67​	Seth Jarvis​	RW​	5.10​	172​	Portland Winterhawks​	Right​
17​	17.67​	Connor Zary​	C​	6.00​	181​	Kamloops Blazers​	Left​
18​	19.67​	Dylan Holloway​	C​	6.00​	192​	Univ. of Wisconsin​	Left​
19​	21.67​	Mavrik Bourque​	C​	5.10​	165​	Shawinigan Cataractes​	Right​
20​	21.83​	William Wallinder​	D​	6.04​	192​	MODO Hockey​	Left​
21​	21.83​	Jan Mysak​	LW​	6.00​	176​	Hamilton Bulldogs​	Left​
22​	23.00​	Kaiden Guhle​	D​	6.03​	187​	Prince Albert Raiders​	Left​
23​	24.83​	Jacob Perreault​	C​	5.11​	198​	Sarnia Sting​	Right​
24​	28.67​	William Villeneuve​	D​	6.01​	163​	Saint John Sea Dogs​	Right​
25​	29.00​	Jeremie Poirier​	D​	6.00​	192​	Saint John Sea Dogs​	Left​
26​	29.83​	Helge Grans​	D​	6.03​	192​	Malmö Redhawks​	Right​
27​	29.83​	Justin Barron​	D​	6.02​	187​	Halifax Mooseheads​	Right​
28​	32.33​	Brendan Brisson​	LW​	5.11​	179​	Chicago Steel​	Left​
29​	34.67​	Lukas Reichel​	LW​	6.00​	172​	Eisbären Berlin​	Left​
30​	36.00​	Tyson Foerster​	C/RW​	6.01​	194​	Barrie Colts​	Right​
31​	40.17​	Roni Hirvonen​	C​	5.09​	163​	Ässät​	Left​
32​	40.83​	Martin Chromiak​	LW​	6.00​	181​	Kingston Frontenacs​	Right​
33​	40.83​	Jake Neighbours​	LW​	5.11​	201​	Edmonton Oil Kings​	Left​
34​	41.00​	Thomas Bordeleau​	C​	5.09​	179​	U.S. National U18​	Left​
35​	41.67​	John-Jason Peterka​	LW​	5.11​	192​	EHC München​	Left​
36​	43.17​	Topi Niemelä​	D​	6.00​	163​	Kärpät​	Right​
37​	43.67​	Zion Nybeck​	RW​	5.08​	176​	HV71​	Left​
38​	45.83​	Lukas Cormier​	D​	5.10​	170​	Charlottetown Islanders​	Left​
39​	47.17​	Braden Schneider​	D​	6.02​	209​	Brandon Wheat Kings​	Right​
40​	47.17​	Ozzy Wiesblatt​	RW​	5.10​	183​	Prince Albert Raiders​	Right​
41​	47.33​	Ryan O'Rourke​	D​	6.02​	181​	Soo Greyhounds​	Left​
42​	48.17​	Jean-Luc Foudy​	C​	5.11​	168​	Windsor Spitfires​	Right​
43​	48.17​	Emil Andrae​	D​	5.09​	183​	HV71​	Left​
44​	49.67​	Luke Evangelista​	RW​	5.11​	165​	London Knights​	Right​
45​	52.00​	Shakir Mukhamadullin​	D​	6.02​	170​	Tolpar UFA​	Left​
46​	53.50​	Hendrix Lapierre​	C​	6.00​	181​	Chicoutimi Saguenéens​	Left​
47​	55.67​	Marat Khustnutdinov​	C​	5.09​	165​	SKA-1946 St. Petersburg​	Left​
48​	55.83​	Justin Sourdif​	C​	5.11​	165​	Vancouver Giants​	Right​
49​	57.83​	Ridly Greig​	LW​	5.11​	159​	Brandon Wheat Kings​	Left​
50​	58.17​	Antonio Stranges​	C/LW​	5.10​	170​	London Knights​	Left​
51​	60.83​	Jaromir Pytlik​	C/RW​	6.03​	196​	Soo Greyhounds​	Right​
52​	60.83​	Kasper Simontaival​	RW​	5.09​	172​	Tappara U20​	Right​
53​	61.00​	Vasili Ponomaryov​	C​	6.00​	176​	Shawinigan Cataractes​	Left​
54​	62.33​	Will Cuylle​	LW​	6.02​	201​	Windsor Spitfires​	Left​
55​	63.33​	Carter Savoie​	LW​	5.10​	181​	Sherwood Park Crusaders​	Left​
56​	66.00​	Ty Smilanic​	LW​	6.01​	170​	U.S. National U18​	Left​
57​	66.83​	Theodore Neiderbach​	C​	5.11​	172​	Frölunda HC J20​	Right​
58​	67.17​	Ryan Francis​	RW​	5.09​	168​	Cape Breton Eagles​	Right​
59​	68.17​	Dylan Peterson​	C​	6.04​	192​	U.S. National U18​	Right​
60​	68.17​	Roby Jarventie​	LW​	6.02​	185​	Koovee​	Left​
61​	68.33​	Tyler Kleven​	D​	6.04​	201​	U.S. National U18​	Left​
62​	70.67​	Connor McClennon​	RW​	5.08​	157​	Winnipeg Ice​	Right​
63​	72.17​	Jack Finley​	C​	6.05​	207​	Spokane Chiefs​	Right​
64​	72.50​	Sean Farrell​	LW​	5.09​	179​	Chicago Steel​	Left​
65​	72.67​	Maxim Groshev​	RW/LW​	6.02​	194​	Reaktor Nizhnekamsk​	Left​
66​	72.67​	Daniil Gushchin​	RW​	5.08​	161​	Muskegon Lumberjacks​	Left​
67​	72.83​	Tyler Tullio​	C​	5.09​	161​	Oshawa Generals​	Right​
68​	72.83​	Luke Tuch​	LW​	6.02​	203​	U.S. National U18​	Left​
69​	73.67​	Sam Colangelo​	RW​	6.02​	205​	Chicago Steel​	Right​
70​	74.33​	Eemil Viro​	D​	6.00​	168​	TPS​	Left​
71​	76.33​	Jack Thompson​	D​	6.01​	172​	Sudbury Wolves​	Right​
72​	76.67​	Daniel Torgersson​	RW/LW​	6.03​	205​	Frölunda HC J20​	Left​
73​	76.67​	Tristen Robins​	C​	5.10​	174​	Saskatoon Blades​	Right​
74​	77.17​	Michael Benning​	D​	5.10​	174​	Sherwood Park Crusaders​	Right​
75​	77.17​	Yan Kuznetsov​	D​	6.03​	201​	Sioux Falls Stampede​	Left​
76​	77.67​	Zayde Wisdom​	C​	5.10​	201​	Kingston Frontenacs​	Right​
77​	77.83​	Evan Vierling​	C​	6.00​	168​	Barrie Colts​	Left​
78​	77.83​	Daemon Hunt​	D​	6.00​	198​	Moose Jaw Warriors​	Left​
79​	78.67​	Dimitry Ovchinnikov​	LW​	5.10​	161​	Sibir Novosibirsk​	Left​
80​	79.00​	Ruben Rafkin​	D​	6.00​	190​	Windsor Spitfires​	Right​
81​	79.00​	Alexander Pashin​	LW​	5.07​	154​	Tolpar UFA​	Left​
82​	79.33​	Eamon Powell​	D​	5.11​	165​	U.S. National U18​	Right​
83​	79.50​	Brady Burns​	C​	5.10​	161​	Saint John Sea Dogs​	Left​
84​	79.83​	Pavel Novak​	RW​	5.10​	170​	Kelowna Rockets​	Right​
85​	80.00​	Jan Bednar​	G​	6.04​	196​	HC Energie Karlov Vary​	Left​
86​	80.50​	Brandon Coe​	RW​	6.03​	185​	North Bay Battalion​	Right​
87​	80.83​	Cross Hanas​	LW​	6.01​	165​	Portland Winterhawks​	Left​
88​	81.33​	Veeti Miettinen​	RW​	5.09​	159​	Kiekko-Espoo U20​	Left​
89​	81.67​	James Hardie​	LW​	5.11​	161​	Missassauga Steelheads​	Left​
90​	81.83​	Rory Kerins​	C​	5.11​	172​	Soo Greyhounds​	Left​
91​	81.83​	Alexander Nikishin​	D​	6.03​	196​	Spartak Moskva​	Left​
92​	82.33​	Theo Rochette​	C​	5.10​	159​	Quebec Remparts​	Left​
93​	82.50​	Owen Pederson​	LW​	6.03​	187​	Winnipeg Ice​	Left​
94​	82.67​	Maxim Beryozkin​	LW/RW​	6.02​	201​	Loko Yaroslavl​	Right​
95​	82.83​	Brock Faber​	D​	6.00​	194​	U.S. National U18​	Right​
96​	84.33​	Oliver Suni​	RW​	6.02​	187​	Oshawa Generals​	Right​
97​	85.17​	Egor Sokolov​	RW/LW​	6.04​	240​	Cape Breton Eagles​	Right​
98​	85.50​	Brett Berard​	LW​	5.09​	152​	U.S. National U18​	Left​
99​	86.00​	Ivan Didkovsky​	LW​	5.10​	185​	MHK Dynamo Moskva​	Left​
100​	86.17​	Drew Commesso​	G​	6.02​	181​	U.S. National U18​	Left​
101​	86.50​	Kasper Puutio​	D​	6.00​	185​	Everett Silvertips​	Right​
102​	86.67​	Landon Slaggert​	C​	6.00​	183​	U.S. National U18​	Left​
103​	86.67​	Ethan Edwards​	D​	5.10​	165​	Spruce Grove Saints​	Left​

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If you update your list, make sure to create it as a new post and I’ll update your rankings. I would like to only have 1 submission per user, as to not skew the average rankings.

I will follow this up with the original submissions from the 2020 Entry Draft thread.

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[Bubba Pilks]

1. Alexis Lafreniere (LW) LEFT
2. Quinton Byfield (C) LEFT
3. Jamie Drysdale (D) RIGHT
4. Tim Stutzle (C/LW) LEFT
5. Marco Rossi (C) LEFT
6. Lucas Raymond (RW) RIGHT
7. Anton Lundell (C) LEFT
8. Alexander Holtz (RW) RIGHT
9. Cole Perfetti (C) LEFT
10. Jack Quinn (RW) RIGHT
11. Jake Sanderson (D) LEFT
12. Seth Jarvis (RW) RIGHT
13. Conor Zary (C) LEFT
14. Dawson Mercer (C/RW) RIGHT
15. Dylan Holloway (C) LEFT
16. Noel Gunler (RW) RIGHT
17. Tyson Foerster (C/RW) RIGHT
18. Yaroslav Askarov (G)
19. Branden Schneider (D) RIGHT
20. Mavrik Bourque (C) RIGHT
21. Martin Chromiak (LW) RIGHT
22. William Wallinder (D) LEFT
23. Jacob Perreault (C) RIGHT
24. Rodion Amirov (LW) LEFT
25. William Villeneuve (D) RIGHT
26. Jake Neighbours (LW) LEFT
27. Jan Mysak (LW) LEFT
28. Helge Grans (D) RIGHT
29. Roni Hirvonen (C) LEFT
30. Justin Barron (D) RIGHT
31. Ridly Greig (LW) LEFT
32. Thomas Bordeleau (C) LEFT
33. Kaiden Guhle (D) LEFT
34. Ryan O'Rourke (D) LEFT
35. Justin Sourdif (C) RIGHT
36. Luke Evangelista (RW) RIGHT
37. Brendan Brisson (LW) LEFT
38. Evan Vierling (C) LEFT
39. Lukas Reichel (LW) LEFT
40. Ozzy Wiesblatt (RW) RIGHT
41. Tyler Kleven (D) LEFT
42. Jack Finley (C) RIGHT
43. Carter Savoie (LW) LEFT
44. Lukas Cormier (D) LEFT
45. James Hardie (LW) LEFT
46. Rory Kerins (C) LEFT
47. John-Jason Peterka (LW) LEFT
48. Jack Thompson (D) RIGHT
49. Ryan Francis (RW) RIGHT
50. Jeremie Poirier (D) LEFT
51. Jean Luc Foudy (C) RIGHT
52. Hendrix Lapierre (C) LEFT
53. Zayde Wisdom (C) RIGHT
54. Jaromir Pytlik (C/RW) RIGHT
55. Pavel Novak (RW) RIGHT
56. Michael Benning (D) RIGHT
57. Emil Andrae (D) LEFT
58. Brady Burns (C) LEFT
59. Sean Farrell (LW) LEFT
60. Tyler Tullio (C) RIGHT
61. Eamon Powell (D) RIGHT
62. Zion Nybeck (RW) LEFT
63. Topi Niemela (D) Right
64. Theodore Neiderbach (C) RIGHT
65. Sam Colangelo (RW) RIGHT
66. Brandon Coe (RW) RIGHT
67. Eamon Powell (D) RIGHT
68. Ty Smilanic (LW) LEFT
69. Connor McClennon (RW) RIGHT
70. Shakir Mukhamadullin (D) LEFT
71. Will Cuylle (LW) LEFT
72. Owen Pederson (LW) LEFT
73. Antonio Stranges (C/LW) LEFT
74. Theo Rochette (C) LEFT
75. Oliver Suni (RW) RIGHT

Cool idea. I'm gonna give this a go.
1. Alexis Lafreniere
2. Lucas Raymond
3. Quinton Byfield
4. Tim Stützle
5. Alexander Holtz
6. Jamie Drysdale
7. Anton Lundell
8. Marco Rossi
9. Cole Perfetti
10. Jake Sanderson
11. Rodion Amirov
12. Jack Quinn
13. Kaiden Guhle
14. Dylan Holloway
15. Dawson Mercer
16. Jan Mysak
17. Connor Zary
18. Yaroslav Askarov
19. Seth Jarvis
20. Shakir Mukhamadullin
21. Ty Smilanic
22. Noel Gunler
23. Marat Khustnutdinov
24. Jeremie Poirier
25. William Wallinder
26. Mavrik Bourque
27. John-Jason Peterka
28. Brendan Brisson
29. William Villeneuve
30. Justin Barron
31. Topi Niemela
32. Lukas Reichel
33. Thomas Bordeleau
34. Vasili Ponomaryov
35. Dylan Peterson
36. Antonio Stranges
37. Braden Schneider
38. Cross Hanas
39. Helge Grans
40. Tyson Foerster
41. Jaromir Pytlick
42. Emil Andrae
43. Justin Sourdif
44. Hendrix Lapierre
45. Ryan O'Rourke
46. Martin Chromiak
47. Luke Evangelista
48. Maxim Groshev
49. Justin Sourdif
50. Luke Tuch
51. Yan Kuznetsov
52. Theodor Niederbach
53. Jake Neighbours
54. Roni Hirvonen
55. Eemil Viro
56. Zion Nybeck
57. Jean-Luc Foudy
58. Simon Kubicek
59. Jan Bednar
60. Jack Finley
61. Daniel Torgersson
62. Tyler Kleven
63. Sam Colangelo
64. Ozzie Wiesblatt
65. Daniil Gushchin
65. Kasper Simontaival
66. Alexander Nikishin
67. Brett Berard
68. Carter Savoie
69. Nico Gross
70. Brock Faber
71. Yegor Sokolov
72. Ruben Rafkin
73. Drew Commesso
74. Brady Burns
75. Lukas Cormier

Alright, I'll give this a shot as well but I haven't done enough scouting on a lot of guys so I will cap it at 40.
1. Alexis Lafreniere
2. Quinton Byfield
3. Lucas Raymond
4. Tim Stutzle
5. Anton Lundell
6. Alexander Holtz
7. Marco Rossi
8. Cole Perfetti
9. Jamie Drysdale
10. Noel Gunler
11. Yaroslavl Askarov
12. Connor Zary
13. Jake Sanderson
14. Rodion Amirov
15. Jack Quinn
16. Jan Mysak
17. Seth Jarvis
18. Dylan Holloway
19. Jacob Perreault
20. Brendan Brisson
21. William Wallinder
22. Zion Nybeck
23. Topi Niemela
24. Kaiden Guhle
25. Lukas Cormier
26. Mavrik Bourque
27. William Villeneuve
28. Kasper Simontaival
29. Jake Neighbours
30. Roni Hirvonen
31. Dawson Mercer
32. Helge Grans
33. Martian Chromiak
34. Jeremie Poirier
35. Roby Jarventie
36. Thomas Bordeleau
37. Justin Barron
38. Ozzy Wiesblatt
39. Lukas Reichel
40. Tyson Foerster

 

[DrSense]

Great stuff, guys. As a draftnik myself, I actually keep an Excel sheet of all of the rankings and track my own aggregate ranking (AR) based on BMac(TSN), Hockeyprospect.com, Future Considerations, ISS, Mckeens, Elite prospects and CSS. Sometimes these rankings are slightly lagging rankings (in particular BMac and CSS which go back to January), but regardless, I thought I'd note where the variances are, which are interesting.

In the aggregate rankings:

2nd tier (3-5)
Stutzle beats out Raymond 3.6 to 4.3, with Drysdale much closer at a 5.0. I think this clustering makes sense with these three in general regarded as the 3-5, but if I'm reading the tea leaves right I feel like Byfield might fall back a bit to create a grouping in the 2-5 range, with some seeing one of the players ahead of Byfield.

3rd tier (6-9)
Lundell - he is 9th on the AR with a 8.6 average rating - versus tied for 6th on this list your 6.3. On the AR list he is clearly behind Holtz, Rossi and Perfetti. Perfetti on the other hand is a 6.7 in the AR, ahead of Rossi (7.3). Either way, there is a drop after #9 so Lundell is still part of this clustering, but a bit of a gap between he and 8th still. But it's the same 9 players in AR at this point, so pretty consistent. I feel Lundell is generally seen as probably the lowest floor in the top 10 after Lafrenniere, but perhaps the lowest ceiling.

4th tier
Askarov (11.4) leads this tier on the AR next as a bit of a wild card though as a goalie. Tough to compare, frankly.
The outlier on your list is Mercer, who is actually next at 11.6 on the AR, followed by Sanderson. Plays C or W and played on the WJC team as a draft eligible, like Byfield. Interesting your average has him at 20th.
Your list has Quinn quite a bit higher (not a shocker for an Ottawa based list), but I also think Quinn will raise on the AR (Sanderson and Jarvis too) when final rankings are released, as there are a few rankings that have them too low and seem dated, which is bring their average down (FC has Quinn at 23 and EP has him 28, for instance- I think they'll bump him up in the final rankingd). I expect he'll be right there with Mercer, Sanderson and Zary as part of the top element of the 4th tier 10-14th overall. Otherwise, similar clustering in that group with Amirov, Holloway, Gunler following those guys into the teens.

Other notables
The AR is lagging on Mysak at 27.2, but includes rankings like BMac at 53. That will change, as a few rankings like that don't account for his performance in Hamilton. Your ranking is more accurate with his skill and upside perhaps pushing into the 4th tier.
The AR has Perrault at 23 overall with a 24.1 MUCH different. Frankly, no way he falls from the 1st with his skating and shot, which are amongst the best in the OHL. As is his production - right up there belonging in the 4th tier IMO. I think one of you missed him, bring down the ranking?
Good call with Foersters and Grans in the 1st. The AR has them clearly in the 2nd, but suspect that is lagging.
Villeneuve in the AR is a late 2nd rounder, but feel that is also lagging. You have him a 1st. But I'm not sure he shoots that high.
AR has Cuylle a mid-2nd rounder, rather than a late 3rd. He's not a sexy pick, but NHL values what he brings as a stay at home with top 4 potential.

 

[Bubba Pilks]

Great stuff, guys. As a draftnik myself, I actually keep an Excel sheet of all of the rankings and track my own aggregate ranking (AR) based on BMac(TSN), Hockeyprospect.com, Future Considerations, ISS, Mckeens, Elite prospects and CSS. Sometimes these rankings are slightly lagging rankings (in particular BMac and CSS which go back to January), but regardless, I thought I'd note where the variances are, which are interesting.

In the aggregate rankings:

2nd tier (3-5)
Stutzle beats out Raymond 3.6 to 4.3, with Drysdale much closer at a 5.0. I think this clustering makes sense with these three in general regarded as the 3-5, but if I'm reading the tea leaves right I feel like Byfield might fall back a bit to create a grouping in the 2-5 range, with some seeing one of the players ahead of Byfield.

3rd tier (6-9)
Lundell - he is 9th on the AR with a 8.6 average rating - versus tied for 6th on this list your 6.3. On the AR list he is clearly behind Holtz, Rossi and Perfetti. Perfetti on the other hand is a 6.7 in the AR, ahead of Rossi (7.3). Either way, there is a drop after #9 so Lundell is still part of this clustering, but a bit of a gap between he and 8th still. But it's the same 9 players in AR at this point, so pretty consistent. I feel Lundell is generally seen as probably the lowest floor in the top 10 after Lafrenniere, but perhaps the lowest ceiling.

4th tier
Askarov (11.4) leads this tier on the AR next as a bit of a wild card though as a goalie. Tough to compare, frankly.
The outlier on your list is Mercer, who is actually next at 11.6 on the AR, followed by Sanderson. Plays C or W and played on the WJC team as a draft eligible, like Byfield. Interesting your average has him at 20th.
Your list has Quinn quite a bit higher (not a shocker for an Ottawa based list), but I also think Quinn will raise on the AR (Sanderson and Jarvis too) when final rankings are released, as there are a few rankings that have them too low and seem dated, which is bring their average down (FC has Quinn at 23 and EP has him 28, for instance- I think they'll bump him up in the final rankingd). I expect he'll be right there with Mercer, Sanderson and Zary as part of the top element of the 4th tier 10-14th overall. Otherwise, similar clustering in that group with Amirov, Holloway, Gunler following those guys into the teens.

Other notables
The AR is lagging on Mysak at 27.2, but includes rankings like BMac at 53. That will change, as a few rankings like that don't account for his performance in Hamilton. Your ranking is more accurate with his skill and upside perhaps pushing into the 4th tier.
The AR has Perrault at 23 overall with a 24.1 MUCH different. Frankly, no way he falls from the 1st with his skating and shot, which are amongst the best in the OHL. As is his production - right up there belonging in the 4th tier IMO. I think one of you missed him, bring down the ranking?
Good call with Foersters and Grans in the 1st. The AR has them clearly in the 2nd, but suspect that is lagging.
Villeneuve in the AR is a late 2nd rounder, but feel that is also lagging. You have him a 1st. But I'm not sure he shoots that high.
AR has Cuylle a mid-2nd rounder, rather than a late 3rd. He's not a sexy pick, but NHL values what he brings as a stay at home with top 4 potential.

That's super interesting.

I think the HFsens Average ranking will move closer to your aggregate as more rankings come in. For now, with only 3 lists, they each hold such a large weighting on the average. For example: Innocent Bystander had Jacob Perrault in his 40's, but got lost while moving things around. As such, I had to rank him with 81.66 on one of 3 lists (He was 23 and 19 in the two others). As IB updates his list and more rankings come in, his ranking will move closer to the 23rd overall AR ranking. Another example of yours is Mercer. He was ranked 14, 15 and 31. As more rankings come in, the 31 ranking will have much less than a 33.33% impact on the average.

Love the info and look forward to comparing it to the HFsens average over the next few months.

 

[Bubba Pilks]

Updated with Sens of Anarchy List from the 2020 Entry Draft Thread

Sure I will take a shot at it ...

1	Alexis Lafreniere
2	Quinton Byfield
3	Jamie Drysdale
4	Tim Stutzle
5	Lucas Raymond
6	Marco Rossi
7	Cole Perfetti
8	Alexander Holtz
9	Anton Lundell
10	Jake Sanderson
11	Yaroslav Askarov
12	Jack Quinn
13	Mavrik Bourque
14	Noel Gunler
15	Dawson Mercer
16	Dylan Holloway
17	Connor Zary
18	Jan Mysak
19	Rodion Amirov
20	Jeremie Poirier
21	John-Jason Peterka
22	Seth Jarvis
23	Braden Schneider
24	Lukas Cormier
25	Hendrix Lapierre
26	Jacob Perreault
27	Kaiden Guhle
28	Emil Andrae
29	Zion Nybeck
30	Justin Barron
31	William Villeneuve
32	Kasper Simontaival
33	Roni Hirvonen
34	William Wallinder
35	Lukas Reichel
36	Brendan Brisson
37	Tyson Foerster
38	Thomas Bordeleau
39	Vasily Ponomaryov
40	Topi Niemela
41	Martin Chromiak
42	Jaromir Pytlik
43	Ryan O'Rourke
44	Helge Grans
45	Marat Khusnutdinov
46	Jake Neighbours
47	Daniil Gushchin
48	Jean-Luc Foudy
49	Carter Savoie
50	Alexander Pashin
51	Theodor Niederbach
52	Antonio Stranges
53	Veeti Miettinen
54	Justin Sourdif
55	Ty Smilanic
56	Sean Farrell
57	Ridly Greig
58	Eemil Viro
59	Maxim Groshev
60	Tyler Kleven
61	Luke Tuch
62	Luke Evangelista
63	Michael Benning
64	Ozzy Wiesblatt
65	Shakir Mukhamadullin
66	Roby Jarventie
67	Connor McClennon
68	Sam Colangelo
69	Dylan Peterson
70	Tyler Tullio
71	Will Cuylle
72	Yan Kuznetsov
73	Daniel Torgersson
74	Tristen Robins
75	Ryan Francis

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[MatchesMalone]

I'm surprised how bad people are sleeping on some of these Russians. Certainly Amirov and Khustnutdinov, but especially Mukhamadullin.

This Russian class ('02) won gold at their U17s, gold at 2019 Hlinkas, gold at 2019 Junior A Challenge. Also the '01 team, which featured late birthday Amirov and under-age Mukhamadullin and Khusnutdinov, won silver at the 2018 U18s.

Look at the Hlinkas last fall. Canada's stacked team with Byfield, Perfetti, Drysdale, etc. couldn't beat Russia in the final. But Canada has all these picks in the first round and Russia has practically none? I doubt it. Mukhamadullin in particular was a nightmare for Canada's top offensive forwards, which is just par for the course from him. Russia had an absolute powerhouse team this year, and the draft board will reflect that.

 

[DrSense]

I'm surprised how bad people are sleeping on some of these Russians. Certainly Amirov and Khustnutdinov, but especially Mukhamadullin.

This Russian class ('02) won gold at their U17s, gold at 2019 Hlinkas, gold at 2019 Junior A Challenge. Also the '01 team, which featured late birthday Amirov and under-age Mukhamadullin and Khusnutdinov, won silver at the 2018 U18s.

Look at the Hlinkas last fall. Canada's stacked team with Byfield, Perfetti, Drysdale, etc. couldn't beat Russia in the final. But Canada has all these picks in the first round and Russia has practically none? I doubt it. Mukhamadullin in particular was a nightmare for Canada's top offensive forwards, which is just par for the course from him. Russia had an absolute powerhouse team this year, and the draft board will reflect that.

I totally agree re Mukhamadullin. I think he'll be a late 1st rounder potentially, and arguably could be right up there after Drysdale and Sanderson. He wasn't as good at the 5 Nations, but was still solid there. It's at these international tourneys that you start to realize that their best players must be as good as our best players, when their team is better than ours. Some see Khusnutdinov as a 1st round talent too, in addition to Amirov, who some see in the top 10 grouping.

To a lesser extent, Finland as well. Their team beat the US at the 5 nations and dominated several teams, including a solid win over the Russians. Guys like Hirvonen and Simontaival were supposedly amazing there as the best forwards at the tourney. It wasn't as stacked as the U18 typically is, but still had most of the best, including the US U18 team. That's where Sanderson really turned heads there as well, tied for the lead in scoring and never giving up an ES goal while he was on the ice the entire tourney.

 

[DrSense]

Of note, the AR i keep track of has:
- Amirov # 15
- Ponomarev #34
- Mukhamadulin #35
- Khusnutdinov #58
- Groshev #66
- Pashin #80
- Beryozkin #82

After the 2nd round rankings though, it's not that great, as the # of rankings dwindles and any extreme or missing ranking skews it.

 

[bert]

I'm surprised how bad people are sleeping on some of these Russians. Certainly Amirov and Khustnutdinov, but especially Mukhamadullin.

This Russian class ('02) won gold at their U17s, gold at 2019 Hlinkas, gold at 2019 Junior A Challenge. Also the '01 team, which featured late birthday Amirov and under-age Mukhamadullin and Khusnutdinov, won silver at the 2018 U18s.

Look at the Hlinkas last fall. Canada's stacked team with Byfield, Perfetti, Drysdale, etc. couldn't beat Russia in the final. But Canada has all these picks in the first round and Russia has practically none? I doubt it. Mukhamadullin in particular was a nightmare for Canada's top offensive forwards, which is just par for the course from him. Russia had an absolute powerhouse team this year, and the draft board will reflect that.

Great post.

 

[DrSense]

Further to the Russian theme, I couldn't help but notice that 5 out of the top 10 prospects in the world right now are Russian (arguably 5, anyway) and it's hard not to recognize the value they represent in terms of where they were drafted versus the other top 10 prospects. Something to think of when you're swinging for the fences for to talent outside to the top 10. Obviously guys like Kucherov and Panarin reinforce this theory as well.

 

[Bubba Pilks]

I'm surprised how bad people are sleeping on some of these Russians. Certainly Amirov and Khustnutdinov, but especially Mukhamadullin.

This Russian class ('02) won gold at their U17s, gold at 2019 Hlinkas, gold at 2019 Junior A Challenge. Also the '01 team, which featured late birthday Amirov and under-age Mukhamadullin and Khusnutdinov, won silver at the 2018 U18s.

Look at the Hlinkas last fall. Canada's stacked team with Byfield, Perfetti, Drysdale, etc. couldn't beat Russia in the final. But Canada has all these picks in the first round and Russia has practically none? I doubt it. Mukhamadullin in particular was a nightmare for Canada's top offensive forwards, which is just par for the course from him. Russia had an absolute powerhouse team this year, and the draft board will reflect that.

I'm definitely guilty of this. I'm not sure if its the innate "Russian Factor", the lack of games watched or my inability to interpret how there stats match up (KHL vs. MHL vs VHL) to previous high picks, but my bias against them is definitely there. I'm glad we have RAFI BOMB around HFsens to expose us to the Russian Prospects. Wouldn't have had Khustnutdinov or Mukhamadullin on my list at all otherwise.

 

[MatchesMalone]

I totally agree re Mukhamadullin. I think he'll be a late 1st rounder potentially, and arguably could be right up there after Drysdale and Sanderson. He wasn't as good at the 5 Nations, but was still solid there. It's at these international tourneys that you start to realize that their best players must be as good as our best players, when their team is better than ours. Some see Khusnutdinov as a 1st round talent too, in addition to Amirov, who some see in the top 10 grouping.

To a lesser extent, Finland as well. Their team beat the US at the 5 nations and dominated several teams, including a solid win over the Russians. Guys like Hirvonen and Simontaival were supposedly amazing there as the best forwards at the tourney. It wasn't as stacked as the U18 typically is, but still had most of the best, including the US U18 team. That's where Sanderson really turned heads there as well, tied for the lead in scoring and never giving up an ES goal while he was on the ice the entire tourney.

I've been really high on Mukhamadullin since last year's U18s when he played as an underager and was their top penalty killer. I've seen him a lot since then. The thing that continually amazes me is how great an impact he is able to have on the game by doing so little. He just plays such a pro-style game. Not going to exit the zone with control like Drysdale or Sanderson, but his ability to escape dangerous situations and relieve pressure is world-class for his age.

I have him as clearly the best defensive defenseman in the draft. He reminds me a lot of watching Seth Jones at the U18s. Spends very little time in his own zone 5 on 5, everything is one and done; separate opponent from puck, move puck out of danger. Jones' first pass was better, but besides that I'd say the raw offensive tools aren't all that different.

I currently have Khusnutdinov in the first round, but I'm not set on that. When he turns it on he can be as dynamic as almost anyone in the draft, but I'd like to see him bring that level more consistently. I currently have Amirov 11th, but I've had him as high as 7 or 8 at times. Still going back and forth on that one too.

Daniil Gushchin is another really interesting one. He's been consistently the most dynamic of the Russians, but he's 5'8.

On the Finns, Niemelä has been easily my favorite, but I need to watch more of Simontaival. I've watched a few games from the Five Nations, but that's the problem with those tournaments: so many good players to try to pay attention to. I'm planning to watch the Russia-Finland game later today and focus on Simontaival and Hirvonen.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I've been really high on Mukhamadullin since last year's U18s when he played as an underager and was their top penalty killer. I've seen him a lot since then. The thing that continually amazes me is how great an impact he is able to have on the game by doing so little. He just plays such a pro-style game. Not going to exit the zone with control like Drysdale or Sanderson, but his ability to escape dangerous situations and relieve pressure is world-class for his age.

I have him as clearly the best defensive defenseman in the draft. He reminds me a lot of watching Seth Jones at the U18s. Spends very little time in his own zone 5 on 5, everything is one and done; separate opponent from puck, move puck out of danger. Jones' first pass was better, but besides that I'd say the raw offensive tools aren't all that different.

I currently have Khusnutdinov in the first round, but I'm not set on that. When he turns it on he can be as dynamic as almost anyone in the draft, but I'd like to see him bring that level more consistently. I currently have Amirov 11th, but I've had him as high as 7 or 8 at times. Still going back and forth on that one too.

Daniil Gushchin is another really interesting one. He's been consistently the most dynamic of the Russians, but he's 5'8.

On the Finns, Niemelä has been easily my favorite, but I need to watch more of Simontaival. I've watched a few games from the Five Nations, but that's the problem with those tournaments: so many good players to try to pay attention to. I'm planning to watch the Russia-Finland game later today and focus on Simontaival and Hirvonen.

You think we here are severely underrating Russians... check Future Considerations March rankings out. Top Rankings 2020

I like Sanderson as the #2 D in the draft and I think he has lots of defensive upside to his game.

 

[MatchesMalone]

You think we here are severely underrating Russians... check Future Considerations March rankings out. Top Rankings 2020

I like Sanderson as the #2 D in the draft and I think he has lots of defensive upside to his game.

Lol. Yikes. I've never really paid much attention to the media rankings, do you find FutureConsiderations generally reputable? I think it can be easy to just not pay enough attention to a specific region. For me it's the CHL, oddly enough, I just watch a lot more international tournament and European pro hockey. I can understand overlooking the Russian leagues a bit.

Completely agreed on Sanderson. I feel like not many people would disagree that it's a two-horse race between Drysdale and Sanderson. I think it's closer than a lot of people realize though. While I say Mukhamadullin is the best overall defensive defenseman, Sanderson's skating makes him the best at defending the rush. And while Drysdale is the overall better offensive defensemen, Sanderson is more dynamic on the rush.

I know you're a fan of Braden Schneider. I love his defensive game, especially his ability to step up and disrupt a transition. He'd be a great fit for a Guy Boucher-style of team. Coaches and old-time fans are gonna love him cus he plays hard, plays the right way, he'll be able to kill penalties and match against skilled forwards. But analytics folk and a lot of fans are gonna hate him because he's going to turn the puck over and spend a lot of time in his own zone.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Lol. Yikes. I've never really paid much attention to the media rankings, do you find FutureConsiderations generally reputable? I think it can be easy to just not pay enough attention to a specific region. For me it's the CHL, oddly enough, I just watch a lot more international tournament and European pro hockey. I can understand overlooking the Russian leagues a bit.

Completely agreed on Sanderson. I feel like not many people would disagree that it's a two-horse race between Drysdale and Sanderson. I think it's closer than a lot of people realize though. While I say Mukhamadullin is the best overall defensive defenseman, Sanderson's skating makes him the best at defending the rush. And while Drysdale is the overall better offensive defensemen, Sanderson is more dynamic on the rush.

I know you're a fan of Braden Schneider. I love his defensive game, especially his ability to step up and disrupt a transition. He'd be a great fit for a Guy Boucher-style of team. Coaches and old-time fans are gonna love him cus he plays hard, plays the right way, he'll be able to kill penalties and match against skilled forwards. But analytics folk and a lot of fans are gonna hate him because he's going to turn the puck over and spend a lot of time in his own zone.

Not particularly. I have liked @Andy Lehoux scouting reports in the past and he is part of their team now. I was looking around for his scouting reports for 2020 , could not find any and took a look at that ranking. I checked to see where they had Russians ranked and thought you might like it. FC is generally not terrible. I would use them for a consolidated ranking. I like looking at the lists to compare where they have certain players ranked I also use Colin Cudmore's consolidated ranking. He provides his sources and some of them are lesser known but have pretty good lists. Brayden Schneider I have kind of cooled a bit on. I have him in the bottom 3rd of the 1st. I like him as a physical defensive RHD man with size and good mobility; strictly shut down , pk material. I think Sanderson is a two way D man, but I like him for his IQ, skating and defense more than his offence. I think now and going forward D men need to be able to think/read and skate to defend more than ever. I think the Sens at some point could use a good shut down D man with size that can think, skate, be physical, pass the puck and not turn pucks over. We have to improve that aspect of the team (look who we use for that now) and I think that will take an investment somewhere vs more a project.

 

[armani]

I'm surprised how bad people are sleeping on some of these Russians. Certainly Amirov and Khustnutdinov, but especially Mukhamadullin.

This Russian class ('02) won gold at their U17s, gold at 2019 Hlinkas, gold at 2019 Junior A Challenge. Also the '01 team, which featured late birthday Amirov and under-age Mukhamadullin and Khusnutdinov, won silver at the 2018 U18s.

Look at the Hlinkas last fall. Canada's stacked team with Byfield, Perfetti, Drysdale, etc. couldn't beat Russia in the final. But Canada has all these picks in the first round and Russia has practically none? I doubt it. Mukhamadullin in particular was a nightmare for Canada's top offensive forwards, which is just par for the course from him. Russia had an absolute powerhouse team this year, and the draft board will reflect that.

Agreed. There is a reason why Ottawa all of a sudden has scouting presence in Russia for the first time in more than a decade. IIRC Ruslan Bashkirov was the last Russian prospect drafted by BMurr in 2007.

 

[Sweatred]

Anybody like Pashin with a late second or third ? High ceiling high skill, high risk pick?

 

[MatchesMalone]

Anybody like Pashin with a late second or third ? High ceiling high skill, high risk pick?

5'7, 154? I'd pass on him until at least the 4th or 5th. Even as far as tiny players go, I much prefer Gushchin's game.

 

[Sweatred]

5'7, 154? I'd pass on him until at least the 4th or 5th. Even as far as tiny players go, I much prefer Gushchin's game.

Its crazy to think we have 9 picks before our 4th RD pick. Lots of room for some high risk/reward picks.

 

[MatchesMalone]

Its crazy to think we have 9 picks before our 4th RD pick. Lots of room for some high risk/reward picks.

Agreed, but there are others high-risk/reward picks I like a lot better. I'm a pretty big fan of Dylan Peterson, Antonio Stranges, Marat Khusnutdinov, Zion Nybeck, Emil Andrae, Cross Hanas and Alexander Nikishin. All fall somewhere more toward the higher risk end of the spectrum.

 

[MatchesMalone]

Agreed, but there are others high-risk/reward picks I like a lot better. I'm a pretty big fan of Dylan Peterson, Antonio Stranges, Marat Khusnutdinov, Zion Nybeck, Emil Andrae, Cross Hanas and Alexander Nikishin. All fall somewhere more toward the higher risk end of the spectrum.

I wouldn't endorse just swinging for the fence every pick though. But if one of those guys is available a bit later than they're expected to go, I'd say go for it.

 

[Sweatred]

Agreed, but there are others high-risk/reward picks I like a lot better. I'm a pretty big fan of Dylan Peterson, Antonio Stranges, Marat Khusnutdinov, Zion Nybeck, Emil Andrae, Cross Hanas and Alexander Nikishin. All fall somewhere more toward the higher risk end of the spectrum.

Cool... I’m bored so I’ve been watching some past prospect games to learn more about the players. I’ll watch for some ... I’m not a fan of Stranges but I’ve never debated him as a 9th pick type boom/bust option.

 

[Bubba Pilks]

Its crazy to think we have 9 picks before our 4th RD pick. Lots of room for some high risk/reward picks.

The haul the Senators get this draft could be absolutely massive.

Current Haul Based on the Average Draft Rankings (Draft Changes and Lotto Not Included).

2	2.3	Quinton Byfield	C	6.04	214	Sudbury Wolves	Left
3	4.0	Tim Stutzle	C/LW	6.00	187	Adler Mannheim	Left
21	24.3	Kaiden Guhle	D	6.03	187	Prince Albert Raiders	Left
33	37.2	Jacob Perreault	C	5.11	198	Sarnia Sting	Right
49	56.4	Luke Evangelista	RW	5.11	165	London Knights	Right
52	58.9	Shakir Mukhamadullin	D	6.02	170	Tolpar UFA	Left
53	60.2	Carter Savoie	LW	5.10	181	Sherwood Park Crusaders	Left
64	68.4	Eemil Viro	D	6.00	168	TPS	Left
74	72.6	Jack Thompson	D	6.01	172	Sudbury Wolves	Right

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

PS. Get your (top 75) or 40-50-60 whatever in before Sunday's update. You can always update it down the road.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

The haul the Senators get this draft could be absolutely massive.

Current Haul Based on the Average Draft Rankings (Draft Changes and Lotto Not Included).

2	2.3	Quinton Byfield	C	6.04	214	Sudbury Wolves	Left
3	4.0	Tim Stutzle	C/LW	6.00	187	Adler Mannheim	Left
21	24.3	Kaiden Guhle	D	6.03	187	Prince Albert Raiders	Left
33	37.2	Jacob Perreault	C	5.11	198	Sarnia Sting	Right
49	56.4	Luke Evangelista	RW	5.11	165	London Knights	Right
52	58.9	Shakir Mukhamadullin	D	6.02	170	Tolpar UFA	Left
53	60.2	Carter Savoie	LW	5.10	181	Sherwood Park Crusaders	Left
64	68.4	Eemil Viro	D	6.00	168	TPS	Left
74	72.6	Jack Thompson	D	6.01	172	Sudbury Wolves	Right

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

PS. Get your (top 75) or 40-50-60 whatever in before Sunday's update. You can always update it down the road.

That would be an incredible haul imo

 

[Bubba Pilks]

That would be an incredible haul imo

That draft would fill out the rest of this roster outside of top line RD. A guy like Brandt Clark in 2021 would be nice.

Byfield - Legit #1 Center Prospect that's huge and fast
Stützle - Legit #1 Left Wing Prospect with amazing hands, vision and excellent skating and agility
Guhle - Physical 2 way top 4 Left Defense Prospect
Perrault - Middle 6 Goal Scoring Center, with Right Wing experience. Dad was also the best faceoff guy of all time.

Stutzle Byfield Batherson
Tkatchuk Norris Duclair
Formenton L.Brown Perrault/Pinto
Paul White C.Brown

Ton of depth who could turn out: , Balcers, Hawryluk, Evangelista, Savoie, Abramov

Chabot-???
Brannstrom-Bernard-Docker
Guhle-Thomson

Ton of depth who could turn out: Wolanin, Jaros, Mukhamadullin, Alsing, Viro, Thompson

Nilsson
Hogberg
Daccord
Gustaffson
Mandolese
Soogard

With 4 picks in the top 2 rounds next year.