Hexy or Homer?

[Chicken Chaser]

I don’t know what that is. Nothing a bit of antibiotics won’t cure

Pipe cleaner for your ding-ding... apparently the Saudi's started doing this to the dude Khashoggi in their consulate, and he then asked him just to chop him up into pieces instead - according to Reddit of course.

 

[deadhead]

Without a generational player that's flat-out not true. Coaching matters.
Hakstol sucks. You are incorrect to believe he is flawless.

You don't need a generational player if you have talent depth.
We'll have the kind of talent depth you rarely see in the cap era, not only the 18 starters, but a half dozen guys in the AHL each year who'll be stashed an extra season to polish their game and be ready to step in as NHL starters from the get go.
When you may have to trade a Laughton just to make room for Ratcliffe and Farabee, move Rubtsov or Vorobyev off center just to get them on the ice . . .

 

[Beef Invictus]

You don't need a generational player if you have talent depth.
We'll have the kind of talent depth you rarely see in the cap era, not only the 18 starters, but a half dozen guys in the AHL each year who'll be stashed an extra season to polish their game and be ready to step in as NHL starters from the get go.
When you may have to trade a Laughton just to make room for Ratcliffe and Farabee, move Rubtsov or Vorobyev off center just to get them on the ice . . .

Please list the bad coaches who have won a Cup without generational talent. Go ahead.


You're also vastly overrating our prospects.

 

[hatcher]

Bowman had loaded rosters to win. Every coach that has won the cup has had a top roster.

 

[deadhead]

Please list the bad coaches who have won a Cup without generational talent. Go ahead.


You're also vastly overrating our prospects.

You don't think this is not going to be a deep, top to bottom team in 2020-21?

Lindblom - Patrick - TK
Giroux - Couts - Voracek
JVR - Frost - Allison/Laczynsi
Farabee/Laughton - Rubtsov/Vorobyev - Twarynski/NAK/O'Brien

Provorov - Ghost
Sanheim - Myers
Morin - Friedman/Hagg
Hogberg, Kalynuk

Hart, Lyon/Stolarz

 

[tucson83]

Not one star to watch at all.

i rest my case

 

[46zone]

I highly doubt our team will be solely built through the draft, and I doubt all of those guys will be up on the big club by 2020.

 

[BackToTheBrierePatch]

Yay, more polls.

 

[TCTC]

At this point I don't even care how to build a team the right way or the wrong way. I just want a team I like to watch playing hockey. Holmgren's teams were exciting to watch. Hextall's teams are the opposite.
And so far Holmgren's teams were also much more successful. What is there to like about Hextall's work other than adding shiny new toys every year?

 

[Beef Invictus]

You don't think this is not going to be a deep, top to bottom team in 2020-21?

Lindblom - Patrick - TK
Giroux - Couts - Voracek
JVR - Frost - Allison/Laczynsi
Farabee/Laughton - Rubtsov/Vorobyev - Twarynski/NAK/O'Brien

Provorov - Ghost
Sanheim - Myers
Morin - Friedman/Hagg
Hogberg, Kalynuk

Hart, Lyon/Stolarz

The Penguins are a phenomenal example of what happens when a loaded roster has a bad coach. So are Boudreau teams, Bruce being terrible in a playoff series.

You ignored your task, so here it is again: Name the bad coaches who have won without a generational talent.

 

[Captain Dave Poulin]

The Penguins are a phenomenal example of what happens when a loaded roster has a bad coach. So are Boudreau teams, Bruce being terrible in a playoff series.

You ignored your task, so here it is again: Name the bad coaches who have won without a generational talent.

 

[Beef Invictus]

 

[deadhead]

The Penguins are a phenomenal example of what happens when a loaded roster has a bad coach. So are Boudreau teams, Bruce being terrible in a playoff series.

You ignored your task, so here it is again: Name the bad coaches who have won without a generational talent.

They were not a loaded roster.
When Sullivan went to the playoffs, they replaced eight of twelve forwards and three defensemen on the previous year's playoff team. So it wasn't just a new coach, it was an entirely new team, including a hot young goalie.

The year before they won the Cup, they had Crosby, Malkin, Hornqvist, Kunitz, Perron, B Sutter at forward.
Their depth: Comeau, LaPierre, Winnik, Spaling, Downie, Bennett/Wilson

Letang on defense. Who got injured.
Leaving Martin, Cole, Lovejoy, Scuderi, Chorney and Dumoulin (who had spent the year in the AHL)

That summer, they got Letang back and added: Kessel, Matt Cullen, Nick Bonino, Olli Maatta, Eric Fehr
Then after Sullivan took over, before the TDL, Tevor Daley, Carl Hagelin, Conor Sheary, Brian Rust, Tom Kuhnhackl, Justin Schultz and Matt Murray.

So they replaced Sutter and Perron with Kessel and Bonino in their top six and Hagelin pushed Kunitz down.
Replaced the entire bottom six from the previous year.

On defense, only Lovejoy, Cole and Dumoulin returned from the previous year's playoff squad.

 

[Beef Invictus]

They were not a loaded roster.
When Sullivan went to the playoffs, they replaced eight of twelve forwards and three defensemen on the previous year's playoff team. So it wasn't just a new coach, it was an entirely new team, including a hot young goalie.

The year before they won the Cup, they had Crosby, Malkin, Hornqvist, Kunitz, Perron, B Sutter at forward.
Their depth: Comeau, LaPierre, Winnik, Spaling, Downie, Bennett/Wilson

Letang on defense. Who got injured.
Leaving Martin, Cole, Lovejoy, Scuderi, Chorney and Dumoulin (who had spent the year in the AHL)

That summer, they got Letang back and added: Kessel, Matt Cullen, Nick Bonino, Olli Maatta, Eric Fehr
Then after Sullivan took over, before the TDL, Tevor Daley, Carl Hagelin, Conor Sheary, Brian Rust, Tom Kuhnhackl, Justin Schultz and Matt Murray.

So they replaced Sutter and Perron with Kessel and Bonino in their top six and Hagelin pushed Kunitz down.
Replaced the entire bottom six from the previous year.

On defense, only Lovejoy, Cole and Dumoulin returned from the previous year's playoff squad.

So the Penguins weren't so disappointing annually under Bylsma that they were a laughingstock?

The notion that any roster that has Malkin and Crosby isn't loaded is nutty.


I see you aren't even going to try a rebuttal for Boudreau's failures. That's wise.


Anyhow, you're dodging a point you're too scared to address because it sinks you imemdiately: What bad coach has won the Cup without a generational talent?

 

[Ruck Over]

shiny new toys

That often need to be kept in the original packaging to retain value. A few toys may be able to played with upon acquisition, most of the toys are actually investments for a tbd payoff.

 

[phil162888]

If Hextall continues to ignore our needs of (1) New Coach (2) Quality Goalie (3) upgrading the defense then he should be canned this off season. How about the organization goes outside and makes a big push for Yzerman!! Who knows maybe going to Detroit isn't a slam dunk. Why not try... god knows we have the cash

 

[Embiid]

 

[Normand Lacombe]

If Hextall continues to ignore our needs of (1) New Coach (2) Quality Goalie (3) upgrading the defense then he should be canned this off season. How about the organization goes outside and makes a big push for Yzerman!! Who knows maybe going to Detroit isn't a slam dunk. Why not try... god knows we have the cash

The Flyers would never hire Stevie Y simply because he has no Flyer connections.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

The Flyers would never hire Stevie Y simply because he has no Flyer connections.

Hakstol was hired

Coaching Hexy's son happened, but Hexy also knows Steve Yzerman so they're on the same level of "connection" if you ask me.

 

[dats81]

Hextall needs to adapt.
Before the season most of us were hoping that after the arrival of Carter Hart (maybe as a soon as mid season) we'd be good to go and compete.
Now it looks like the goalie situation may not be resolved internally anytime soon. Could take up to 5 years until one of our kids play up to NHL starter level. Do you want to sit and watch that dumpster fire for another 3-5 years? I don't.

 

[baudib1]

Don't think Hextall did much in terms of the shiny toy department. I'd guess he got 2.4 NHLers from the 2018 draft, which isn't amazing considering he had 2 No. 1 picks.

This was supposed to be the year it was all about winning. Hextall and the entire coaching staff have to go.

 

[Normand Lacombe]

Hakstol was hired

Coaching Hexy's son happened, but Hexy also knows Steve Yzerman so they're on the same level of "connection" if you ask me.

The connection I was speaking of was being a former Flyer. And why would Hextall hire Yzerman? The poster who bought up Yzerman was suggesting Yzerman be Hextall’s replacement.

 

[Normand Lacombe]

Don't think Hextall did much in terms of the shiny toy department. I'd guess he got 2.4 NHLers from the 2018 draft, which isn't amazing considering he had 2 No. 1 picks.

This was supposed to be the year it was all about winning. Hextall and the entire coaching staff have to go.

Isn't it a little too early to be judging the 18 draft? Nobody knows yet who will or won’t pan out from this draft.

 

[Tripod]

Hextalls superiors need to put some pressure on him. The on ice reduction is not good enough. Fix it.

 

[deadhead]

It's freakin' October.
People, get a f---n life!

How many draft misses does Hextall have? Like say Zacha?
How many of those hot shot prospects aren't progressing (maybe not as fast as some ants in the pants posters would like)?
How many bad trades? Bad free agent signings?


Could Hextall be more aggressive? Sure.
But it's October - if he makes a move, you'll find out after it happens.