Value of: Henrique (50% retained) and Vatrano (50% retained) to NYR
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WhatTheDuck
9 - 20 - 8
You just are failing to consider your proposals from both sides.
What are the odds that the Rangers value both players higher than any other team in the league? Unless there's a piece in the trade that Anaheim couldn't acquire for them individually, it makes no sense to send them together. The odds are slim to zero that you're going to make the strongest offer for Henrique and the strongest offer for Vatrano within one deal.
Ducks fans are expecting 1st, Othmann and Schneider 
WhatTheDuck
9 - 20 - 8
Ducks fans are expecting 1st, Othmann and Schneider
Can you quote more than one outlying poster who was asking that kind of value?
It really doesn't make sense to send both players to one team, unless that team is parting with a young piece like Othmann. Otherwise we would almost surely get more collective value out of moving the two players in separate deals.
Do I think the Rangers should or would realistically do that? No, hence why it's more likely you would only be acquiring one player or the other, rather than both.
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WhatTheDuck
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You have posters spamming Kakko for Zegras and Othmann for Zegras offers, glass house.
If we are trying to have a reasonable conversation about realistic expectations - OP is requesting a rather unrealistic package. It's highly unusual to see two top six F's moved in the same deal with max retention. It stands to reason that Anaheim almost surely gets more collective value out of moving them separately - there are 30 other teams and very little chance the Rangers are actually coveting both players more than anyone else. Therefore zero reason for Anaheim to trade both to NY for a quantitative return. Unrealistic ask will result in an unrealistic demand, same as if you ask for a player who they have no reason to move. This only makes sense for the Ducks if they are getting something they couldn't get by moving them separately, otherwise It's a faulty premise and not happening.
It's a common issue around here that leads to many pointless arguments - replying to someone else's hypothetical request is not a statement of expectations. I really doubt any Ducks fan "expects" both players to be moved in the same deal.
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The longer it goes, maybe Henrique can be had for a 2nd, plus prospect. But the longer it goes for Vatrano, they can just wait until next season if the return isn't good enough. There's been a lot of first round picks moved in the last 2 years. You're starting to see teams have their draft selection depleted a little. Some of these teams need to hold back from trading a first and I think you may start to see the value drop down a little on some of the 1st expectations. However, packaged together would most likely mean they're giving a discount to NYR, when they could receive more separately. I don't see that happening. At least not without parting with a good middle 6 potential prospect in the deal, plus picks, etc.
Let's not vilify.
Neither Hen nor Vat command absurd overpay, w/w'o retention.
ANA would properly seek max
Rs if stupid enuf to submit offer, would seek min
There would be a middle, and both sides have to decide
ANA if it would cut its nose to spite its face by not budging
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Rs have to decide which is greater opportunity cost, give up futures to add vets or not adding vets at cost of youth
{assumes no vets for vets scenario}
Rs pass
Apologize that I am still too busy in real world to extend courtesy of a proper deep dive on da bold w/you and others, hope to do so in a wk-ish.
Disagree that da bold is "spam" as to Oth for Zeg
IMO Oth + Berard = acceptable core for Zeg deal
Realistically. Your next two 1st round picks and a few middle rounders. Say 2 1sts, two 3rds and a 5th rounder. Basically, don’t get excited by the idea of a NHL draft for a while.
Henrique is worth a late 1st based on price already set this deadline.
Vatrano is worth a 1st+another good piece due to how appealing his contract would be to cap strapped teams. 2 playoffs of him at a cap under 2 mil is pretty awesome. If they can’t get that then they have no reason to trade him.
Vatrano is worth a 1st+another good piece due to how appealing his contract would be to cap strapped teams. 2 playoffs of him at a cap under 2 mil is pretty awesome. If they can’t get that then they have no reason to trade him.
Stop making dogshit offers that include Zegras then.
I don’t see an offer. I see you bitching about Ducks fans even though you got your answer from 3 different Ducks fans in this thread.
2 1sts+secondary picks/prospects
Verbeek has virtually lived with the Rangers the past few weeks. Something huge is absolutely in the works and since the Rangers have well-defined lines regarding what they’re willing to give up, the return may surprise some people.
pld459666
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For all of his defensive warts, Zegras is still a 23 year old 2x 60pt player.
Hes NOT going to be cheap or easy to acquire.
One of Othmann or Perrault will have to be included with Kakko to acquire Zegras.
The other two are bit part players that are having good seasons, but their usage on the NYR would be drastically different such as No PP time for Frankie and significant reduction in TOI for both players.
I'm not paying much for that.
Hes NOT going to be cheap or easy to acquire.
One of Othmann or Perrault will have to be included with Kakko to acquire Zegras.
The other two are bit part players that are having good seasons, but their usage on the NYR would be drastically different such as No PP time for Frankie and significant reduction in TOI for both players.
I'm not paying much for that.
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You started the thread on this type of premise.
So therefore it’s locked.
We’re done here. You’ve showed prior times you can’t have a discussion with Ducks fans regarding their players.
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