Henrik Zetterberg Versus Daniel Alfredsson

[GlitchMarner]

Who was the better player?

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[Regal]

I would take peak Zetterberg slightly, but Alfredsson had the better overall prime and career

 

[trentmccleary]

Here's the 10 best season averages between the top forwards drafted between 1991-2000.

Player	GP	G	A	Pts	GPG	PPG
Forsberg	67	24	61	85	0.37	1.28
Lindros	67	36	46	82	0.54	1.22
Thornton	79	26	65	91	0.33	1.16
Kariya	78	33	51	84	0.42	1.08
Alfredsson	73	30	48	78	0.41	1.07
St. Louis	81	31	55	86	0.39	1.06
Datsyuk	74	27	51	78	0.36	1.05
Iginla	80	39	42	81	0.49	1.02
Hossa	75	34	41	75	0.45	1.00
Zetterberg	73	27	46	73	0.37	1.00
H.Sedin	81	17	63	80	0.21	0.99
D.Sedin	79	29	49	78	0.37	0.99
Elias	71	27	41	68	0.39	0.97
Lecavalier	78	32	42	74	0.41	0.95
B.Richards	77	22	50	72	0.29	0.93
Naslund	80	33	40	73	0.41	0.92
Whitney	74	25	43	68	0.34	0.92
Kovalev	77	29	40	69	0.38	0.91
Arnott	70	27	35	62	0.38	0.88
Marleau	81	32	37	69	0.40	0.86
Doan	78	25	37	62	0.32	0.80

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Voted Alfredsson. Both will make the HHOF eventually.

 

[ESH]

Here's the 10 best season averages between the top forwards drafted between 1991-2000.

Player	GP	G	A	Pts	GPG	PPG
Forsberg	67	24	61	85	0.37	1.28
Lindros	67	36	46	82	0.54	1.22
Thornton	79	26	65	91	0.33	1.16
Kariya	78	33	51	84	0.42	1.08
Alfredsson	73	30	48	78	0.41	1.07
St. Louis	81	31	55	86	0.39	1.06
Datsyuk	74	27	51	78	0.36	1.05
Iginla	80	39	42	81	0.49	1.02
Hossa	75	34	41	75	0.45	1.00
Zetterberg	73	27	46	73	0.37	1.00
H.Sedin	81	17	63	80	0.21	0.99
D.Sedin	79	29	49	78	0.37	0.99
Elias	71	27	41	68	0.39	0.97
Lecavalier	78	32	42	74	0.41	0.95
B.Richards	77	22	50	72	0.29	0.93
Naslund	80	33	40	73	0.41	0.92
Whitney	74	25	43	68	0.34	0.92
Kovalev	77	29	40	69	0.38	0.91
Arnott	70	27	35	62	0.38	0.88
Marleau	81	32	37	69	0.40	0.86
Doan	78	25	37	62	0.32	0.80

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Voted Alfredsson. Both will make the HHOF eventually.

I voted Zetterberg before looking at the thread. Considering that Zetterberg was arguably the best defensive forward in the league for a few years, and that Alfredsson's linemates were also scoring machines, this makes it even easier for me to pick Zetterberg.

 

[bert]

I voted Zetterberg before looking at the thread. Considering that Zetterberg was arguably the best defensive forward in the league for a few years, and that Alfredsson's linemates were also scoring machines, this makes it even easier for me to pick Zetterberg.

Alfie was also a defensive beast. He only played 2 full seasons with Spezza and Heatley the majority of that time was spent with Todd White.... Zetterberg played with Brett Hull and Pavel Datsyuk. So no one player did no benefit more than the other with their linemates.

 

[Sting]

Surprised Zetterberg has such a lead here...recency bias?

I'd expect this one to be pretty neck and neck. I do think Alfredsson was a better player by a hair though. Realistically he only had 1-2 years where he was playing with Spezza/Heatley...the rest he was carrying a line by himself paired up with the likes of Todd White.

 

[RedWingzz]

The guy with the ring and the Smythe.

 

[NyQuil]

Alfredsson.

 

[ESH]

Alfie was also a defensive beast. He only played 2 full seasons with Spezza and Heatley the majority of that time was spent with Todd White.... Zetterberg played with Brett Hull and Pavel Datsyuk. So no one player did no benefit more than the other with their linemates.

Surprised Zetterberg has such a lead here...recency bias?

I'd expect this one to be pretty neck and neck. I do think Alfredsson was a better player by a hair though. Realistically he only had 1-2 years where he was playing with Spezza/Heatley...the rest he was carrying a line by himself paired up with the likes of Todd White.

It was actually 4 years together

 

[newfy]

Both great red wings...

I think the Smythe tips this in favour of Zetterberg. Alfie might have a couple scoring finishes that are higher but theyre close enough that the Smythe tips this

 

[WingsMJN2965]

Zetterberg. Alfie obviously has a better offensive track record but when Zetterberg wanted to shut somebody down, he shut them down.

I don't think anybody's ever gotten Crosby as frustrated as Zetterberg.

 

[Holymakinaw]

Zetterberg.

Proven winner.

 

[tony d]

Zetterberg

 

[Human]

I think playing with Datsyuk has robbed Zetterberg of some Selkes. Extremely underrated defensive forward.

 

[bukwas]

One of the better pairs to compare, well done.

 

[Spirit of 67]

Took Z.

 

[trentmccleary]

I voted Zetterberg before looking at the thread. Considering that Zetterberg was arguably the best defensive forward in the league for a few years, and that Alfredsson's linemates were also scoring machines, this makes it even easier for me to pick Zetterberg.

Here they are on similar Swedish Olympic teams:

Olympics	GP	G	Pts	GPG	PPG
Hossa	19	14	28	0.74	1.47
Alfredsson	26	13	27	0.50	1.04
Forsberg	22	3	20	0.14	0.91
Datsyuk	23	5	20	0.22	0.87
Lindros	20	8	17	0.40	0.85
Kariya	14	6	11	0.43	0.79
Naslund	4	2	3	0.50	0.75
Iginla	19	10	14	0.53	0.74
Marleau	13	2	9	0.15	0.69
D.Sedin	18	3	12	0.17	0.67
B.Richards	6	2	4	0.33	0.67
Kovalev	22	8	13	0.36	0.59
Elias	13	3	7	0.23	0.54
Zetterberg	17	5	9	0.29	0.53
Lecavalier	6	0	3	0.00	0.50
Doan	6	2	3	0.33	0.50
H.Sedin	12	3	6	0.25	0.50
Thornton	13	2	5	0.15	0.38
St.Louis	11	2	3	0.18	0.27
Arnott	0	0	0	0.00	0.00
Whitney	0	0	0	0.00	0.00

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Alfredsson was one of the best 2 way players during his career.

Here's a fun video review exercise.
1) Where did the puck start in the play?
2) Where did it end up?
3) How did it get there?

 

[sr edler]

Give me Z. Better all-round, can play center, PK beast level, better composure, et cetera.

 

[Agent Zub]

Give me Z. Better all-round, can play center, PK beast level, better composure, et cetera.

Aside from playing center you're basically describing alfredsson.


This thread is rife with recency bias.

 

[Felidae]

Here's the 10 best season averages between the top forwards drafted between 1991-2000.

Player	GP	G	A	Pts	GPG	PPG
Forsberg	67	24	61	85	0.37	1.28
Lindros	67	36	46	82	0.54	1.22
Thornton	79	26	65	91	0.33	1.16
Kariya	78	33	51	84	0.42	1.08
Alfredsson	73	30	48	78	0.41	1.07
St. Louis	81	31	55	86	0.39	1.06
Datsyuk	74	27	51	78	0.36	1.05
Iginla	80	39	42	81	0.49	1.02
Hossa	75	34	41	75	0.45	1.00
Zetterberg	73	27	46	73	0.37	1.00
H.Sedin	81	17	63	80	0.21	0.99
D.Sedin	79	29	49	78	0.37	0.99
Elias	71	27	41	68	0.39	0.97
Lecavalier	78	32	42	74	0.41	0.95
B.Richards	77	22	50	72	0.29	0.93
Naslund	80	33	40	73	0.41	0.92
Whitney	74	25	43	68	0.34	0.92
Kovalev	77	29	40	69	0.38	0.91
Arnott	70	27	35	62	0.38	0.88
Marleau	81	32	37	69	0.40	0.86
Doan	78	25	37	62	0.32	0.80

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Voted Alfredsson. Both will make the HHOF eventually.

a 4 point difference isn't much. To add to that, Zetterberg has better selke finishes.

Zetterberg: 3, 4, 7, 9, 9, 12, 14, 18, 32, 43

Alfredsson: 4, 10, 11, 15, 20, 30, 35.

Either way, this is a very close poll.

 

[Felidae]

Also, here are their playoff point finishes on their team.

Alfredsson

1996-97
1st in goals, 3 more than 2nd place.
1st in points, 1 more than 2nd place

1997-98
1st in goals, 2 more than 2nd
1st in points, 1 more than 2nd

1998-99
2nd in goals, 1 less than 1st
2nd in points, 1 less than 1st.

1999-00
2nd in goals, 1 less than 1st
1st in points, one more than 2nd

2000-00
1st in goals, only goal scored.
2nd in points, 1 less than 1st.

2001-02
1st in goals, 3 more than 2nd
1st in points, 3 more than 2nd

2002-03
5th in goals, 2 less than 2nd
6th in points, 8 less than 1st

2003-04
2nd in points, 1 less than 3rd
2nd in goals, 2 less than 1st

2005-06
5th in goals, 5 less than 1st
4th in points, 4 less than 1st

2006-07
1st in points, tied with 2 other players
1st in goals, 7 more than 2nd

2007-08
13th in points and goals

2009-10
4th in goals, 1 less than 1st
2nd in points, tied with 1st and 1 less point than 3rd

2011-12
6th in points, 3 less than 1st
2nd in goals, 1 less than 3rd

2012-13
1st in points, 1 more than 2nd
2nd in goals, 2 less than 2nd


Zetterberg

2002-03
7th in points, 2 less than 1st
tied with many others for 1st in goals.

2003-04
6th in goals, 2 less than 1st
8th in points, 4 less than 1st

2005-06
1st in goals, 3 more than 2nd
2nd in points, 2 less than 1st

2006-07
2nd in goals, 2 less than 1st
3rd in points, 4 less than 1st

2007-08
1st in goals, 3 more than 2nd
1st in points, 4 more than 2nd

2008-09
2nd in goals, 1 less than 1st
1st in points, 1 more than 2nd

2009-10
1st in goals, 1 more than 2nd
2nd in points, 3 less than 1st

2010-11
2nd in goals, 1 less than 1st
3rd in points, 7 less than 1st

2011-12
1st in points and goals, 1 less than 2nd place

2012-13
2nd in goals, 1 less than 1st
1st in points, 2 more points than 2nd

2013-14
2st in goals, 2 less than 1st
2nd in points (tied with many), 3 less than 1st

2014-15
8th in points, 2 less than 1st
no goals, 3 less than 1st

2015-16
1st in goals, tied with many players, 1 more than everyone else
3rnd in points, tied with many others, 2 less points than 1st


I know Zetterberg has statistically higher PPG and GPGs in the playoffs, but compared to his peers, Alfredsson led his team in points 6 times to Zetterbergs 4. Both led their team in goals 5 times. So it's debatable whether Zetterberg has the edge in terms of overall playoff career.

 

[Nick Hansen]

Aside from playing center you're basically describing alfredsson.


This thread is rife with recency bias.

It's not like Alfie played thirty years ago...think most of us remember him.

It's a good poll, but a slight edge to Z.