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Player Discussion Henrik Lundqvist
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I was not arguing about number of shots. My whole argument has been about quality of saves and quality of teammates and you initially dismissed it. Now you put it forward as your own argument. So the good news is we're in agreement that shot quality IS important to a degree.
1 Goalie makes 9 out of 11 saves but they were all penalty shots, breakaways and 1 timers from the slot
The other makes 4-5 saves but they were all weak wristers from the point
Who had the better game? Who would you rather have on your team?
The winner who gave up the weak goal and faced less pressure? Or the guy that managed to make 9 amazing saves?
That's a gross oversimplification to demonstrate what has been my point from the beginning. If you have a way to show that Quick had the harder time I'm all ears (or eyes in this case). But so far all I've seen is a claim that he made better saves with no evidence or reasoning so all I am questioning that.
CHGoalie27
Don't blame the goalie!
That's better than the whole "goalie can't cross center ice to score" argument that I could've posted and have a million times anyway any time an...."opinion" like that comes up.
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CHGoalie27
Don't blame the goalie!
Right! He got a penalty for it. That's the day a million hockey fans learned that rule. Some could stand to learn it too.
I was at that game too LOL
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Inferno
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You're asking if a sure first first ballot hall of famer and the best goalie of this generation is likely to get his number retired?
Yes. Yes he is.
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Hank might not be the goalie with the highest toplevel, but he has been quite consistent over a long time, therefore given his team the best chance of winning in the long run. If he get them to another final ever, the players owe it to him to relax while they do all the heavy work those final games.
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While he is facing more shots than ever, the team in front of him has never been as good as this one in terms of limiting shot quality against. His expected Sv% is at 91.89%, he has only broken 91 twice in his career (11-12: 91.23% and 14-15: 91.32%). In terms of exceeding his expected Sv%, this is actually his second worst season so far with +0.42 (worst was 16-17 with +0.08, he's never played below expectation).
It's nice that he finally gets some help to pad his stats for once in his career, he has had to put up with some serious shit earlier in his career. Don't let anyone tell you a mediocre goalie with a great defence in front of him like Vasilievski is even close to what Hank was during his prime.
It's nice that he finally gets some help to pad his stats for once in his career, he has had to put up with some serious shit earlier in his career. Don't let anyone tell you a mediocre goalie with a great defence in front of him like Vasilievski is even close to what Hank was during his prime.
Chimpradamus
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No kidding.
Lundqvist in the 13/14 playoffs: .928 SV%, 11.15 GSAA (Goals saved above average). Quick: .911 SV%, -0,58 GSAA. Quick was bailed out by his team during the earlier rounds, a luxury Lundqvist has never had in his career. Notice that Lundqvist's 11.15 GSAA was absurdly high. Hank was extremely good on high danger scoring chances that playoff run.
To me games 5,6,7 of the Pittsburgh series was the best goaltending I've ever seen. By the end of the 3rd period of game 7, the penguins resigned themselves to defeat.
They knew they were going to lose.
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This performance.
Also, the first time he beat Washington was such a huge victory for him.
And the last Montreal series we played, Hank was the best player on the ice on both teams and Radilov was a monster in that series.
Those three rounds really stand out to me. When he out-dueled Brodeur for his first HUGE series win, that was also a memorable one for sure (the fatso handshake series).
Chimpradamus
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You want to talk highlights, are you kidding me? I would start with excluding games from the back. Just kidding, but only barely. But yes, I agree, those were games where Hank really didn't take "no" for an answer. There are so many series during the years - and seasons - where Lundqvist carried the teams with significant authority, that is basically underrated in the recognition in the NHL at this point. He has carried this franchise on his back so many years. Then some schmuck claims he's not worthy of a cup. We have Devils fans claiming Hank is worthy of a cup, but we have Rangers fans who claim he doesn't. Outliers in extreme, right? Now, Rangers fans claiming he's the plague has always been a yearly occassion, but rivals from all over the division saying he's worthy of a Cup? Not happening. That's true praise.
The consistent world class performances and the few nights he was not up to it... the ratio has been insanely good. Every goalie talks of bad seasons, in plural. Lundqvist has consistently talked of bad months. Sure, he had some nightmare seasons, coached by Vigneault, lol. The guy that chased both Luongo and Schneider away from Vancouver. Hank handled it fairly well, compared to us fans watching the defensive zone turn into a kindergarden, counting seasons. Can I claim PTSD from that?
Now, Hank's unquestionably, in my mind - from both stats, advanced stats and the eye test - the best goalie of this era, based on consistency and overall performance. He has never accepted defeat in a single season, even when things looked like crap, several times. And he's still going in his late 30s. Something tells me he will have more longevity than you might think, because he's not a bulked up goalie like most others with hip problems. He's a hard worker with world class talent, keeping his own weight really low. That's a good concept for a work horse goalie.
Why doesn't Hank have more Vezinas or other trophies? Because the teams were always inferior, by margin. It was never really close, but he made it close. That's why he was - and still in his older years is - so good. Basically every top goalie has been injured by hip or knee problems. Hank has been injured from his own defensemen, in the throat and neck.
We are about to summarize his career up and he basically prolonged a Rangers rebuild for his entire career, pretty much all by himself - and almost carried them there. That's pretty good as a career for a powerhouse franchise, mostly covered with crap teams.
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Put Hank on the penguins and Crosby would have 8 cups. Put him on the Blackhawks and they would have won 5 in a row.
ReggieDunlop68
hey hanrahan!
LA was a better team. No adjustments could have been made except drafting better.
Luckily we are going for a top 3 this year...
Can’t wait for Valiquette in between periods defending Lundqvist because the goals
We’re deflected. 5 goals on 16 shots. Apparently those are impossible to save. Other goalies can though!
We’re deflected. 5 goals on 16 shots. Apparently those are impossible to save. Other goalies can though!
Amazing Kreiderman
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Deflections are near impossible to save but that's why, in my opinion, goalies just aren't worth anything north of 10% of the salary cup upon signing. The extra money just isn't worth it.
Still horrific defense in Henrik`s case so far still 20 min. left @Amazing Kreiderman - maybe Zucc will do some magic and get back into this mess of a game since u mention him earlier. And some fans usually mention him when Rangers are behind - I notice such things not that he has a gr8 game, and he plays a top 6 role I understand that. 
Amazing Kreiderman
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Still horrific defense in Henrik`s case so far still 20 min. left @Amazing Kreiderman - maybe Zucc will do some magic and get back into this mess of a game since u mention him earlier. And some fans usually mention him when Rangers are behind - I notice such things not that he has a gr8 game, and he plays a top 6 role I understand that.
Let's hope they play better in Tampa and Calgary when I go to the games. They can lose every other game as long as they win those 2 hahahaha
I don’t think Lundqvist is a first ballot shoe in.
Henrik Lundqvist’s carrier is most closely comparable to Rogie Vachon.
I believe it took Vachon 16 years after he retired to get inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame and was on a Montreal team early in his career that won the Stanley Cup.
Henrik Lundqvist’s carrier is most closely comparable to Rogie Vachon.
I believe it took Vachon 16 years after he retired to get inducted into the Hockey Hall of Fame and was on a Montreal team early in his career that won the Stanley Cup.
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