GDT: Hawks Vs Leafs - 6PM CT on NBCSCHI and NHLN-US -- Oh Captain, My Captain! (not the mod)

[coolhand]

His return to the ice and return to form are even more of a question mark than Forsling and Murphy IMHO

Yea, if it really is vertigo, Crow's career is over. But 2 players with vertigo on the same team? Seems odd as it's not a common ailment.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

His return to the ice and return to form are even more of a question mark than Forsling and Murphy IMHO

That may be true, but it does appear that he is going to play this year. No one is arguing that this team is currently great or a contender, just that it is to early to make up our mind on what this team can or can't be. A big part of that is tied to Crow. Crow coming back could change things a and has to be mentioned. It raises the ceiling of this team a great deal. I get the reasons to be skeptical, and I'm certainly not sure what to expect when he returns, but I don't think you can discount it out of hand.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

Yea, if it really is vertigo, Crow's career is over. But 2 players with vertigo on the same team? Seems odd as it's not a common ailment.

None of us are doctors or privy to actual facts regarding Crows health, but Jonas Hiller had vertigo and came back and played 4-5 more seasons. I just don't know how you can make a definitive statement like that.

 

[coolhand]

None of us our doctors or privy to actual facts regarding Crows health, but Jonas Hiller had vertigo and came back and played 4-5 more seasons. I just don't know how you can make a definitive statement like that.

Just my opinion. As long as he has been out doesn't bode well for a full recovery and return to his former playing shape is all I'm saying. I hope I'm 100% wrong though.

 

[ChiHawks10]

None of us our doctors or privy to actual facts regarding Crows health, but Jonas Hiller had vertigo and came back and played 4-5 more seasons. I just don't know how you can make a definitive statement like that.

You can't. People just love to say silly things.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Just my opinion. As long as he has been out doesn't bode well for a full recovery and return to his former playing shape is all I'm saying. I hope I'm 100% wrong though.

Guys miss entire seasons all the time... torn ligaments end a guy's season each year, and they come back 10 months later and are fine. No one can definitively say what Crow will or won't look like when he comes back...

 

[LordKOTL]

I'm not sure how you could actually watch the games this year and think this.

Keith is top pair. Joker and Seabs are between top pair and middle pair(based on their play so far). Call them both 3's for now. Forsling can probably be a solid #4, as can Murphy, though coming off an injury, he's probably more a solid #5. Gus is a good #5 or #6.

He's 110% still a top pairing D. Just not Norris caliber.

Can you go through the NHL rosters and find 60 D better than him?

With this qualifier...maybe. But right now this year we've got far too small of a sample size to judge. I mean, Joker's been outplaying Keith so far in virtually every respect...but I won't slot him a 1. Further, Hedman and Karlsson--two guy's I'd take over Keith right now in a heartbeat, have looked worse.

Even if Keith is a #2 though he shouldn't be run roughshod...ditto on Seabs. Q unfortunately is doing that.

 

[ChiHawks10]

With this qualifier...maybe. But right now this year we've got far too small of a sample size to judge. I mean, Joker's been outplaying Keith so far in virtually every respect...but I won't slot him a 1. Further, Hedman and Karlsson--two guy's I'd take over Keith right now in a heartbeat, have looked worse.

Even if Keith is a #2 though he shouldn't be run roughshod...ditto on Seabs. Q unfortunately is doing that.

Definitely. I slotted him around a 3 because I'm taking into account the small sample size. If Joker plays this way for an entire season with few hiccups, then I'd be more than willing to call him a top pair defender.

And yeah, I wasn't saying that Keith is a #1 anymore. But he's 110% a top pairing D still, which was my only argument. There are not 60 D in the NHL that are currently better than him.

 

[pvr]

Forsberg will get his chance in nets soon but he needs to earn starts. Last season when he was gifted the spot he wet the bed.

Wetting was less than the liquid feces from Ward.

 

[coolhand]

Guys miss entire seasons all the time... torn ligaments end a guy's season each year, and they come back 10 months later and are fine. No one can definitively say what Crow will or won't look like when he comes back...

Yea, I understand that. But when it comes to the brain, it's not as simple as a ligament or muscle. Those injuries tend to heal faster than a long term brain injury. Some players have had a number of concussions and have come back rather quickly, Toews and Crosby as an example. Crow has been out for this long makes me wonder if there isn't something more serious than just a concussion.

 

[BobbyJet]

Wetting was less than the liquid feces from Ward.

I reckon the Leafs would have scored in the double digits last night had the Forsberg we saw last season been between the pipes for Chicago. He probably would have been pulled actually before it got to that, but he had better be a whole lot better when he does get the call .... and going forward.

 

[pvr]

I reckon the Leafs would have scored in the double digits last night had the Forsberg we saw last season been between the pipes for Chicago. He probably would have been pulled actually before it got to that, but he had better be a whole lot better when he does get the call and going forward.

Currently the bar has been set very, very low. Really nothing to lose for trying.

 

[BobbyJet]

Currently the bar has been set very, very low. Really nothing to lose for trying.

Last I looked Hawks were undefeated in regulation time... and timely saves in front of an atrocious defensive team game have been a factor in that. Please don't throw any numbers around to try and make a point. The number of 10-bell chances against have been off the chart in all 3 games.

 

[KWP]

10m for Nylander plus giving them 2 1sts, a 2nd, and a 3rd? Holy overpayment.

Don't forget the length of contract No Trade Clause too - remember it's Bowman jr's signature move.

 

[KWP]

"... The Blackhawks are going to be a very bad team this year. Any move that tries to artificially make them better at the expense of the future would be a complete waste of assets and would really get in the way of long term success

Don't bail just yet xTI - tho a week ago I woulda been in 100% agreement. If Forsling gets back same time Crow does, the outlook IS different. This of course assumes both hit the ground running which may be unrealistic.

I'm concerned both may rush it - jock mentality - and that could blow up in everybody's faces.
Time will tell of course ...

PS - Also the Q factor e.g. keeping ManDOG in the top 4 AND paired w/ Seabrook as well as his Kunitz / Martinsen fixation.

 

[KWP]

This is still not a guarantee. I think they'll surprise most people, and have been saying it for a few weeks now. Especially when Forsling, Murphy, and Crow are all back healthy...

I wouldn't count on Murphy til after New Year's Day - if then. Back surgery iffy at best & tho the dude grew on me (was a ginormous Hjalmarsson guy so kinda didn't give him a chance off the bat), Murphy no speedster to begin with.

Would welcome being wrong of course tho ...
GoHawks.

 

[ChiHawks10]

I wouldn't count on Murphy til after New Year's Day - if then. Back surgery iffy at best & tho the guy grew on me (was a ginormous Hjalmarsson guy so kinda didn't give him a chance off the bat), Murphy no speedster to begin with.

Would welcome being wrong of course tho ...
GoHawks.

His initial timetable puts him back mid December.

 

[KWP]

well, there is a likely scenario that Panarin gets moved at the deadline, I would really like it to be us that he gets dealt too...

The day on of CBJ's Dmen sucker punched out Teuvo I became a anti-Lumbus fan - tho I do get a kick outta Torts. That said, I'm cheering them on to be in the playoff hunt so they DON'T deal Panarin.

 

[CourtneyDagger50]

I reckon the Leafs would have scored in the double digits last night had the Forsberg we saw last season been between the pipes for Chicago. He probably would have been pulled actually before it got to that, but he had better be a whole lot better when he does get the call .... and going forward.

Nothing suggests this. The most goals he gave up was 5.
In fact, he only gave up 4 goals on 43 shots against the Leafs last season. Only difference is John Tavares was added.

Edit: wrong quote

 

[Rick C137]

We’ve seen better games from Forsberg than anything we’ve seen from Cam Ward so far so that is a weird statement to make. Forsberg’s problem has always been consistency.

Edit - at least here. I can’t really speak much about him before he got here.

 

[LDF]

Funny, I always thought he might be a sock puppet. At the end of the day, what difference does it make, welcome back LDF.

i am surprise no-one posted about sticking a hockey stick up my back side........ oh well, it is a long season ahead.

no matter how the Bhawks do, they are still my team.....

 

[RememberTheRoar]

i am surprise no-one posted about sticking a hockey stick up my back side........ oh well, it is a long season ahead.

no matter how the Bhawks do, they are still my team.....

Welcome back LDF. I do sincerely mean that.

 

[ChiHawks10]

Welcome back LDF. I do sincerely mean that.

Yep. Me too.

Welcome back @LDF

 

[Hawkaholic]

Watched the game while drinking with the father in law (Leafs fan). Once Toronto scored to go up 6-5 I said it was over, he said, not against Toronto it's not, boy was he right. What a game.

We really need Crawford back, badly.

 

[KWP]

... And regarding Manning and Q not having a choice but to sit him, do you need to be reminded of guys that also deserved sitting like Rozsival, Handzus, Runblad, many others? Q doesn’t always go by who deserves playing time ...

Doubt I'll ever forget Q healthy scratching Vermette & Teravainen in the semis. That's when I gave up trying to understand his hockey logic.

But yes ... 3 Cups t/y t/y t/y oh mustachioed one. No sarc either
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