Kevin Musto
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Sabres fan … I’ll just leave these here. I’ll miss McCabe and if he stays healthy you’ve got a good pickup there.
I love how when he lays out Laine he just immediately turns to Scheifele cause he knows he has to pay the piper, but it’s with the body language that says they can all f*** right off.
Sabres fan … I’ll just leave these here. I’ll miss McCabe and if he stays healthy you’ve got a good pickup there.
I love how when he lays out Laine he just immediately turns to Scheifele cause he knows he has to pay the piper, but it’s with the body language that says they can all f*** right off.
Better version.If healthy he should be fine
Essentially a LD version of Murphy
Yep..... Stan is consistent. Gambling on ageing vets or the injured or the oft injured vet is his M.O.New De Haan. Hope he can stay healthy. He's a good player if he can.
Thank you for this. Good to see the room we still have even with CDH and Strome here.
And good lord I want to puke looking at CDH paired with Jones!!
Jones & McCabe could be a strong #1 D line-----push Murphy to 2nd line where he belongs---maybe with Jones Part 2 ....shaping up.
It depends on if Jones bounces back or not. If he continues his play over the last two seasons, Hamilton is better and it's not particularly close either.
The amount of assets given up and the amount of risk on the Jones deal is incredible.
Exactly.
Nobody, including Jones biggest skeptics like myself, are blind to the tools he has. We all see the skating, the ranginess, the size, etc. Everybody agrees he LOOKS like somebody that should be a dominant number 1 D. And in the early years of his career, he was improving on a year-to-year basis that it seemed inevitable that he would be the next Chris Pronger. But then it didn't happen. He stalled out.
He still has all the same tools. But there is a different between having the tools, having great inputs like speed and size and iq and a great shot and all that, and actually leveraging them to measurable positive impact on the ice. Seth Jones has never had that impact. Paying him like he has is a MASSIVE risk. Sending a nearly top-end offer-sheet worth of assets to acquire him is a MASSIVE risk. Could it pan out? Sure. There is a non-zero chance he rediscovers his game, puts everything together and becomes an absolute monster. A non-zero CHANCE is a hell of a gamble for what the Blackhawks paid. He still has the tools, but it's folly to say 'this defensemen is a great defensemen because it makes sense he should be a great defensemen' instead of 'this defensemen is a great defensemen because he has measurably performed as a great defensemen for years'.
Micah McCurdy sums up both Jones and Hamilton well (just as he did McCabe earlier in this thread):
As a Blackhawks fan, who wants the Blackhawks to be good, I really hope Seth Jones turns into the monster it looked like he would become several years ago.
Quite possibly the worst thing I have ever read and that is saying something. Pure pile of trash.
What do you expect out of a post saying that Jones is a weak defender and there is zero chance he will come back to the level of a top 10 D?Compelling argument. Well supported and rich with nuance.
What do you expect out of a post saying that Jones is a weak defender and there is zero chance he will come back to the level of a top 10 D?
Brandon Manning was a weak defender. Seth Jones isn't. Manning wasn't paid 9 million, but Jones is a top pairing D even when he is not playing at his best.I didnt say there was zero chance he comes back I said there’s a non-zero chance. Its unlikely but not impossible.
And Seth Jones has been a weak defender for years. Thats just a raw measure of on-ice impact. He has the tools to be much better, but he has been weak. Even by his own admission last season (admittedly his worst in a steady decline).
Brandon Manning was a weak defender. Seth Jones isn't. Manning wasn't paid 9 million, but Jones is a top pairing D even when he is not playing at his best.
Why is it unlikely that Jones gets back to the player he was just 2-3 years ago?
Exactly.
Nobody, including Jones biggest skeptics like myself, are blind to the tools he has. We all see the skating, the ranginess, the size, etc. Everybody agrees he LOOKS like somebody that should be a dominant number 1 D. And in the early years of his career, he was improving on a year-to-year basis that it seemed inevitable that he would be the next Chris Pronger. But then it didn't happen. He stalled out.
He still has all the same tools. But there is a different between having the tools, having great inputs like speed and size and iq and a great shot and all that, and actually leveraging them to measurable positive impact on the ice. Seth Jones has never had that impact. Paying him like he has is a MASSIVE risk. Sending a nearly top-end offer-sheet worth of assets to acquire him is a MASSIVE risk. Could it pan out? Sure. There is a non-zero chance he rediscovers his game, puts everything together and becomes an absolute monster. A non-zero CHANCE is a hell of a gamble for what the Blackhawks paid. He still has the tools, but it's folly to say 'this defensemen is a great defensemen because it makes sense he should be a great defensemen' instead of 'this defensemen is a great defensemen because he has measurably performed as a great defensemen for years'.
Micah McCurdy sums up both Jones and Hamilton well (just as he did McCabe earlier in this thread):
As a Blackhawks fan, who wants the Blackhawks to be good, I really hope Seth Jones turns into the monster it looked like he would become several years ago.