blueandgoldguy
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I haven't seen this on the History of Hockey board yet but if it has already been covered on here I apologize.
In Dale Hawerchuk and Peter Stastny we have 2 players who played in exactly the same era. With the exception of Gretzky, Lemieux and Yzerman, no one put up as many points at the center position as these two did from the early 80s to the early 90s. Both players had their share of success during international play, and with their individual achievements. Unfortunately, both experienced failure with NHL teams that rarely won in the playoffs and collectively reached the Stanley Cup Finals once without winning the big prize. BUt which one do you think was the better player.
The case for Hawerchuk
Regular Season
GP Career Goals Career Assists Career Points Pts/gm
1188 518 891 1409 1.19
Playoffs
GP Career Goals Career Assists Career Points Pts/gm
97 30 69 99 1.02
Individual Awards
NHL All-Star Game: 5 times
Second Team All-Star: 1985
Calder Memorial Trophy: 1982
Only NHL player to reach 1000 career games before the age of 31
Team Awards
World Championships (Bronze): 1982,1986
World Championships (Silver): 1989
Canada Cup Championships (Gold): 1987, 1991
Additional Stats
50 goal seasons: 1
40 goal seasons: 7
30 goal seasons: 9
80 assist seasons: 1
70 assist seasons: 4
60 assist seasons: 4
50 assist seasons: 13
100 point seasons: 6
90 point seasons: 10
80 point seasons: 12
One of the knocks against Hawerchuk was his teams' poor playoff records. HIs teams only won seven playoff rounds his entire career and four of those wins (with the Flyers) came at the end of his career when he was shadow of his former self. Now this is not to see he did not contribute to his teams in the playoffs. Prior to his final two seasons when injuries to his hip had really affected his level of play, Hawerchuk averaged 1.22 pts./gm over 68 playoff games.
Hawerchuk was a fantastic passer, one of the best I have ever seen, with great lateral movement. He was just as adept at putting the puck in the net during the first half of his NHL career.....And he brought a defensive aspect to his game with strong forechecking, though admittedly, not as often as I would have liked to see.
One of his best moments was playing on the 1987 Canada Cup team. He centred a line whose primary responsibility was to defend against the opposing teams top line and defnd they did...al the way to the final and Gold against the Russians. Despite limited ice time playing behind the likes of Gretzky and Lemieux, Hawerchuk was tied for 5th in the tournament with 4 goals. In addition to his exceptional defensive play Hawerchuk was also a key contributor in faceoffs (as he was for most of his career). In fact, he won the faceoff which directly led to one of the most famous goals of all time, Gretzky to Lemieux for the Cup-clinching goal late in game three.
The Case for Stastny
Regular Season
GP Career Goals Career Assists Career Pts PTs/gm
977 450 789 1239 1.27
Playoffs
GP Career Goals Career Assists Career Pts Pts/gm
93 33 72 105 1.13
Individual Awards
Calder Memorial Trophy: 1981
All-Star Games: 1981,1982,1983,1984,1986,1988
World Championships Best Forward Award: 1995
Team Awards
World Championships (Gold): 1976,1977
World Championships (Silver): 1978,1979
Canada Cup (Gold): 1984
Canada Cup (Silver): 1976
Additional Stats
40 goal seasons: 5
30 goal seasons: 8
90 assist seasons: 1
80 assist seasons: 2
70 assist seasons: 5
60 assist seasons: 7
50 assist seasons: 9
100 point seasons: 7
90 point seasons: 7
80 point seasons: 8
Admittedly, I did not get to see a lot of Peter Stastny or the Quebec Nordiques growing up as I was living near Winnipeg and had limited tv options. What I did see though, was one of the best passers the league has ever seen. AS for his defensive play, I honestly could not say....maybe someone else can fill me in. Stastny had a little more playoff success than Hawerchuk with his teams reaching the Conference Semifinals twice. Stastny performed well both times with 18 points in 12 games in 1981-1982 and 23 points in 18 games in 1984-1985.
IN terms of career, Stastny seems to be the superior play-maker, while Hawerchuk was the better goal-scorer. Hawerchuk had the advantage of starting his pro career at 18 and playing all his prime years in the NHL. Stastny, on the other hand, did not come to the NHL until he was 24 missing out on some of his "prime years." One advantage Stastny did have was the quality of players surrounding him....namely the Stastny brothers and Michel Goulet. Certainly this influenced his point totals. Hawerchuk was not blessed with the same quality of teammates. In fact, the best he could do was pass to Paul McLean, who was only with the Jets for a short period, and certainly not of Goulet's stature....and Thomas Steen who was a second line center he often did not get to play with.
This is interesting. I have always found these players so similar to one another because they played during the same era; in small, Canadian cities with rabid fan followings; and similar statistical comparisons.
Can't wait to hear the responses....
In Dale Hawerchuk and Peter Stastny we have 2 players who played in exactly the same era. With the exception of Gretzky, Lemieux and Yzerman, no one put up as many points at the center position as these two did from the early 80s to the early 90s. Both players had their share of success during international play, and with their individual achievements. Unfortunately, both experienced failure with NHL teams that rarely won in the playoffs and collectively reached the Stanley Cup Finals once without winning the big prize. BUt which one do you think was the better player.
The case for Hawerchuk
Regular Season
GP Career Goals Career Assists Career Points Pts/gm
1188 518 891 1409 1.19
Playoffs
GP Career Goals Career Assists Career Points Pts/gm
97 30 69 99 1.02
Individual Awards
NHL All-Star Game: 5 times
Second Team All-Star: 1985
Calder Memorial Trophy: 1982
Only NHL player to reach 1000 career games before the age of 31
Team Awards
World Championships (Bronze): 1982,1986
World Championships (Silver): 1989
Canada Cup Championships (Gold): 1987, 1991
Additional Stats
50 goal seasons: 1
40 goal seasons: 7
30 goal seasons: 9
80 assist seasons: 1
70 assist seasons: 4
60 assist seasons: 4
50 assist seasons: 13
100 point seasons: 6
90 point seasons: 10
80 point seasons: 12
One of the knocks against Hawerchuk was his teams' poor playoff records. HIs teams only won seven playoff rounds his entire career and four of those wins (with the Flyers) came at the end of his career when he was shadow of his former self. Now this is not to see he did not contribute to his teams in the playoffs. Prior to his final two seasons when injuries to his hip had really affected his level of play, Hawerchuk averaged 1.22 pts./gm over 68 playoff games.
Hawerchuk was a fantastic passer, one of the best I have ever seen, with great lateral movement. He was just as adept at putting the puck in the net during the first half of his NHL career.....And he brought a defensive aspect to his game with strong forechecking, though admittedly, not as often as I would have liked to see.
One of his best moments was playing on the 1987 Canada Cup team. He centred a line whose primary responsibility was to defend against the opposing teams top line and defnd they did...al the way to the final and Gold against the Russians. Despite limited ice time playing behind the likes of Gretzky and Lemieux, Hawerchuk was tied for 5th in the tournament with 4 goals. In addition to his exceptional defensive play Hawerchuk was also a key contributor in faceoffs (as he was for most of his career). In fact, he won the faceoff which directly led to one of the most famous goals of all time, Gretzky to Lemieux for the Cup-clinching goal late in game three.
The Case for Stastny
Regular Season
GP Career Goals Career Assists Career Pts PTs/gm
977 450 789 1239 1.27
Playoffs
GP Career Goals Career Assists Career Pts Pts/gm
93 33 72 105 1.13
Individual Awards
Calder Memorial Trophy: 1981
All-Star Games: 1981,1982,1983,1984,1986,1988
World Championships Best Forward Award: 1995
Team Awards
World Championships (Gold): 1976,1977
World Championships (Silver): 1978,1979
Canada Cup (Gold): 1984
Canada Cup (Silver): 1976
Additional Stats
40 goal seasons: 5
30 goal seasons: 8
90 assist seasons: 1
80 assist seasons: 2
70 assist seasons: 5
60 assist seasons: 7
50 assist seasons: 9
100 point seasons: 7
90 point seasons: 7
80 point seasons: 8
Admittedly, I did not get to see a lot of Peter Stastny or the Quebec Nordiques growing up as I was living near Winnipeg and had limited tv options. What I did see though, was one of the best passers the league has ever seen. AS for his defensive play, I honestly could not say....maybe someone else can fill me in. Stastny had a little more playoff success than Hawerchuk with his teams reaching the Conference Semifinals twice. Stastny performed well both times with 18 points in 12 games in 1981-1982 and 23 points in 18 games in 1984-1985.
IN terms of career, Stastny seems to be the superior play-maker, while Hawerchuk was the better goal-scorer. Hawerchuk had the advantage of starting his pro career at 18 and playing all his prime years in the NHL. Stastny, on the other hand, did not come to the NHL until he was 24 missing out on some of his "prime years." One advantage Stastny did have was the quality of players surrounding him....namely the Stastny brothers and Michel Goulet. Certainly this influenced his point totals. Hawerchuk was not blessed with the same quality of teammates. In fact, the best he could do was pass to Paul McLean, who was only with the Jets for a short period, and certainly not of Goulet's stature....and Thomas Steen who was a second line center he often did not get to play with.
This is interesting. I have always found these players so similar to one another because they played during the same era; in small, Canadian cities with rabid fan followings; and similar statistical comparisons.
Can't wait to hear the responses....