Has your opinion of Jim Benning changed?

FreeMcdavid

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We all know the flack ( and rightfully deserved) that Jim Benning has received on HF. It was the cool thing to do. Benning is a very polarizing figure in Vancouver, he has his supporters but there is also a large contingency of "haters" that want him fired.

Side Track : Vancouver board has a "tank thread" specifically created for posters to cheer on losing for Canucks to get Benning fired and to get draft picks, do other boards have this?

My question is, has your previous opinion of Jim Benning changed recently.

Here are some factors.

1. The Canucks have a chance to have 3 consecutive Calder Finalists on their Team. All of which are drafted by Jim Benning and despite not having a top 3 overall pick. (Boeser, Pettersson, Hughes) when has the last time that has happened?

2. Makar is definitely the current front runner for The Calder this season but Quinn Hughes is right on his tail. Should Hughes win the Calder then the Canucks will go back to back Calder Winners, a feat that hasnt been achieved since 1966-1968 when Boston's Bobby Orr and Derek Sanderson achieved it. ( someone fact check me on this please)

3. JT Miller- The Canucks targeted JT Miller and gave up 1st rnd pick and a 3rd rnd pick to Tampa. Artemi Panarin is the only player in the NHL this year that has been more productive than Miller in terms of players on new teams. Miller has 46 pts in 49 games and is a top 3 leader in Faceoffs in the NHL. Ridiculous cost controlled salary of 5.25 mil for 3 more years after this year. If the Canucks make the playoffs then that 1st round pick is pick 17th or worse. Who wouldn't give that up for a top line player producing the way he is.

4. Tanner Pearson- 100% Benning goofed up in his early tenure when he trade JAred Mccann for Eric Gudbranson. However Benning then flipped Gudbranson (one of if not the worst Dman in the NHL) and was able to obtain Tanner Pearson from the Pens.

Fun fact, did you know Tanner Pearson has been the leading scorer for the Canucks from November 2019 (30 games or so) to now. Yes more than Pettersson, Boeser, Horvat, Hughes. Pearson has been a staple in the 2nd line and 2nd unit pp and has been relied upon in the closing minutes of the game to steer home victories.

5. Jake Virtanen- You wont find any educated Canuck fan that will argue that Virtanen is the better player to Ehlers or Nylander. However Virtanen has taken a major major step this year. Considered one of Benning's biggest mistake ( though there are lots of rumors indicating that the owner forced his hand in drafting the local boy) Virtanen has shown what his game could eventually become. The 23 year old is having a breakout year. Despite not playing on the Top PP or top 6 role for most of the season, Virtanen is on pace for 24 goals and is playing a very hard, mature, 2 way game to go with it.

6. Canucks are currently 1st place in the division a the All- Star Break

7. Utica Comets are currently 1st place in their division in the AHL. Young guns on the farm are excelling. Guys like AHL rookie Brogan Rafferty who leads the AHL in Dman scoring. 2nd Round draft pick Kole Lind 37 pts in 42 games, and even a major improvement from pronounced bust Olli Juolevi who has turned it on recently and now has 20 pts in 32 games while playing top pairing role. Justin Bailey 24 years old who is a Benning signing also has 3 hat-tricks in the last 4 games. Goalie Mikey Dipietro is 13-5 as an AHL rookie.

8. Prospect Pool- Once considered one of the best in the league, some of the recent graduates has left the prospect pool in the top 10-15 range. However, Benning has still managed to find some interesting gems.

* Podkolzin
*Hoglander
*Rafferty
* Tyler Madden ( top 5 in NCAA goals)
* Kole Lind
* Juolevi
* Rathbone
*Dipietro
* Woo

Recent Graduates: Hughes, Gaudette, Demko

Big picture, yes Benning has his blemishes on his resume, and so does all the other GMs but its tough to argue with those results. Im curious to see the current perception of Jim Benning is.
 

FreeMcdavid

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He's terrible at signings, decent at trades, and outstanding at drafting. Thats basically it.


Id say thats accurate.

How would you weigh those 3 factors though?

would you rather have a GM thats great at Signings but awful at Drafting and Trades?

Perfect world, your GM is outstanding in all 3 of those facets but its not a perfect world.
 
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EdJovanovski

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He’s traded away more draft picks than he’s acquired throughout a rebuild, has made arguably the worst signings of any GM in the league, and has made some awful trades. Their rebuild would’ve been way faster without his incompetence in trades & signings, imagine having a young core like that without all those awful contracts. He should be a scout.
 

FreeMcdavid

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Is Juolevi even being considered as a call-up this season?

Or is he like the Scott Glennie of top-10 d-man prospects?

He missed 6 months from injury and surgery. He has felt some soreness this season from it but has really taken off the last 2 months or so at the AHL. Not sure if the plan is for him to keep developing and playing or to call him up.

There would need to be an injury to Edler, Hughes, Fattenberg, Benn.
 

GOilers88

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We all know the flack ( and rightfully deserved) that Jim Benning has received on HF. It was the cool thing to do. Benning is a very polarizing figure in Vancouver, he has his supporters but there is also a large contingency of "haters" that want him fired.

Side Track : Vancouver board has a "tank thread" specifically created for posters to cheer on losing for Canucks to get Benning fired and to get draft picks, do other boards have this?

My question is, has your previous opinion of Jim Benning changed recently.

Here are some factors.

1. The Canucks have a chance to have 3 consecutive Calder Finalists on their Team. All of which are drafted by Jim Benning and despite not having a top 3 overall pick. (Boeser, Pettersson, Hughes) when has the last time that has happened?

2. Makar is definitely the current front runner for The Calder this season but Quinn Hughes is right on his tail. Should Hughes win the Calder then the Canucks will go back to back Calder Winners, a feat that hasnt been achieved since 1966-1968 when Boston's Bobby Orr and Derek Sanderson achieved it. ( someone fact check me on this please)

3. JT Miller- The Canucks targeted JT Miller and gave up 1st rnd pick and a 3rd rnd pick to Tampa. Artemi Panarin is the only player in the NHL this year that has been more productive than Miller in terms of players on new teams. Miller has 46 pts in 49 games and is a top 3 leader in Faceoffs in the NHL. Ridiculous cost controlled salary of 5.25 mil for 3 more years after this year. If the Canucks make the playoffs then that 1st round pick is pick 17th or worse. Who wouldn't give that up for a top line player producing the way he is.

4. Tanner Pearson- 100% Benning goofed up in his early tenure when he trade JAred Mccann for Eric Gudbranson. However Benning then flipped Gudbranson (one of if not the worst Dman in the NHL) and was able to obtain Tanner Pearson from the Pens.

Fun fact, did you know Tanner Pearson has been the leading scorer for the Canucks from November 2019 (30 games or so) to now. Yes more than Pettersson, Boeser, Horvat, Hughes. Pearson has been a staple in the 2nd line and 2nd unit pp and has been relied upon in the closing minutes of the game to steer home victories.

5. Jake Virtanen- You wont find any educated Canuck fan that will argue that Virtanen is the better player to Ehlers or Nylander. However Virtanen has taken a major major step this year. Considered one of Benning's biggest mistake ( though there are lots of rumors indicating that the owner forced his hand in drafting the local boy) Virtanen has shown what his game could eventually become. The 23 year old is having a breakout year. Despite not playing on the Top PP or top 6 role for most of the season, Virtanen is on pace for 24 goals and is playing a very hard, mature, 2 way game to go with it.

6. Canucks are currently 1st place in the division a the All- Star Break

7. Utica Comets are currently 1st place in their division in the AHL. Young guns on the farm are excelling. Guys like AHL rookie Brogan Rafferty who leads the AHL in Dman scoring. 2nd Round draft pick Kole Lind 37 pts in 42 games, and even a major improvement from pronounced bust Olli Juolevi who has turned it on recently and now has 20 pts in 32 games while playing top pairing role. Justin Bailey 24 years old who is a Benning signing also has 3 hat-tricks in the last 4 games. Goalie Mikey Dipietro is 13-5 as an AHL rookie.

8. Prospect Pool- Once considered one of the best in the league, some of the recent graduates has left the prospect pool in the top 10-15 range. However, Benning has still managed to find some interesting gems.

* Podkolzin
*Hoglander
*Rafferty
* Tyler Madden ( top 5 in NCAA goals)
* Kole Lind
* Juolevi
* Rathbone
*Dipietro
* Woo

Recent Graduates: Hughes, Gaudette, Demko

Big picture, yes Benning has his blemishes on his resume, and so does all the other GMs but its tough to argue with those results. Im curious to see the current perception of Jim Benning is.
I think every GM has some bad contracts and trades if they've been around long enough.

I think the Canucks are a lot closer to contending than most of HF will give them credit for, and I think it's really sad and pathetic that anyone could actively root for their team to lose games and trades so that people get fired while also referring to themselves as fans. Pathetic.
 

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No. The Canucks have basically went all in (big free agent signings, trading picks) and the result is a borderline playoff team with their 2 most important players still on ELCs. They won’t be able to afford the same roster next season never mind improving upon it.
 

FreeMcdavid

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He’s traded away more draft picks than he’s acquired throughout a rebuild, has made arguably the worst signings of any GM in the league, and has made some awful trades. Their rebuild would’ve been way faster without his incompetence in trades & signings, imagine having a young core like that without all those awful contracts. He should be a scout.


It wasnt the plan from the owner to Rebuild as long as the Sedin Twins were on the team. They felt they owed it to them to try and re-tool on the fly and to get into the playoffs.

Since the Twins have retired, the transition to becoming competitive and young again has been smoother.
 

FreeMcdavid

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I think every GM has some bad contracts and trades if they've been around long enough.

I think the Canucks are a lot closer to contending than most of HF will give them credit for, and I think it's really sad and pathetic that anyone could actively root for their team to lose games and trades so that people get fired while also referring to themselves as fans. Pathetic.


I agree with this. Though the tank thread is mostly a handful of posters just discussing between the 5 of them. Its a thread pretty much most avoid, unless its after a win of course then you go in there for entertainment.
 

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It wasnt the plan from the owner to Rebuild as long as the Sedin Twins were on the team. They felt they owed it to them to try and re-tool on the fly and to get into the playoffs.

Since the Twins have retired, the transition to becoming competitive and young again has been smoother.

They just recently signed Beagle, Rouselle, Myers to huge contracts for no reason.
 

FreeMcdavid

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No. The Canucks have basically went all in (big free agent signings, trading picks) and the result is a borderline playoff team with their 2 most important players still on ELCs. They won’t be able to afford the same roster next season never mind improving upon it.

Their longest bad contract on the books are 2 or 3 year more. It will fit in fine when the core needs new contracts. We also dont know what the cap is going to be.

They also have guys in the AHL and prospects that will compete for those spots once the time is needed.
 

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Not that bad but not great. Canuck fans just overreact when bad things happen, just like every fan base.
 

FreeMcdavid

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He should be a draft scout. And tbh, at the draft table, it seems like he heavily relies on his scouts opinions, so they should get some of that credit. He should not be making trades or signing guys.

signings sure ill give you that.

Trades tho recently,

Miller for 1st and 3rd
Pearson for Gudbranson
Leivo for Carconne


how can you argue with those?
 

aufheben

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I don’t know how much credit to give him for the Miller trade because I’ve always thought you should be able to judge a trade right when it happens. Did he think he was getting a 47-point forward?
 
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