Has the Leafs rebuild failed?

Has the Leafs rebuild failed?


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saluki

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Premature.

The Hawks couldn't handle the Wings pre-2010. A new coach worked wonders.
 

saluki

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To be fair, the Hawks with that new coach lost to Detroit in the 2009 WCF.

Finally got past them in 2013.

Moral of the story: Win a cup and then play Boston in the playoffs afterward.

Not to mention a certain FA signing. That's the one unfortunate thing for TOR: Tavares ain't prime Hossa.
 

ccman68

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They are entering cap hell so I would say yes. These past few years were their best chance and they blew it. Half of their cap is gonna be used on 4 players..
 

ColbyChaos

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Lost arguably their best opportunity while many of the players were still cheap but their core isnt going to disappear this offseason. It comes in doves they will have more cheap elc depth later on.
 

ccman68

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So a team up against the cap has never won the cup before...

They aren’t gonna have much of a team soon. When you look at all the recent stanley cup winners they have their best players signed to great deals. The moment they overpaid them (Kane,Toews for example) is when the window closes because they don’t have the money for good depth anymore.
 

Divine

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They are entering cap hell so I would say yes. These past few years were their best chance and they blew it. Half of their cap is gonna be used on 4 players..

Yeah, just like Pittsburgh and Washington couldn't win again after their top players came off their ELC.
 

ccman68

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Yeah, just like Pittsburgh and Washington couldn't win again after their top players came off their ELC.

They signed their players to great contracts. The leafs have overpaid almost every single key player. Also Ovi and Sid are generational players and the leafs don’t have anyone like that.
 

Pia8988

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No, but I do think they needed to go more all in. Not going to be easy to get top 5 talent on ELCs again.
 

c9777666

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Not everyone can have a BOS rebuild where you fall into having 3 ageless wonders, a bloomer, and can plug in a lot of young depth
 

Divine

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They signed their players to great contracts. The leafs have overpaid almost every single key player. Also Ovi and Sid are generational players and the leafs don’t have anyone like that.

Overpaid who?
 

Uncle Scrooge

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They aren’t gonna have much of a team soon. When you look at all the recent stanley cup winners they have their best players signed to great deals. The moment they overpaid them (Kane,Toews for example) is when the window closes because they don’t have the money for good depth anymore.

So you think losing Jake Gardiner and idk, Connor Brown (?) makes this team so much worse they can't be a good team next year? Have to say i disagree. Leafs have pretty decent young players coming up to replace guys who, in this Boston series, were secondary pieces at best.

They're going to bring back 90%+ same team they had this year for next year, and after that Marleau's contract comes off the books and the cap goes up again, freeing up good amount of space to manage their cap and at that point replacing Marleau with a young guy will probably make the team better.

And as far as your Chicago example goes, the Hawks didn't become a bad team the moment they handed out those contracts. They had over 100 pts b2b seasons. Besides, one could argue the depth wasn't their biggest issue, rather the core guys declining. Seabrook turned from a minute eater to bottom pairing dman on a good team. Toews saw a decline in offense for years. Keith has been slowing down gradually. Marian Hossa was in his late 30's and ultimately 'retired'.

Comparing the Hawks aging core to the Leafs young core is laughable and they are not similar in any way.

To answer the OP's question, has the Leafs rebuild failed, of course not lol. As far as i remember they were a bottom dweller for years. Now they've been a playoff team for 3 years in a row, and have that young core for years to come. Seems to me like they went from a terrible team with no winning culture to a team that's seen as a great team around the league = rebuild successful.
 

Hynh

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It's a disappointment compared to the media hype but they're a much healthier organization than they were in 2011.
 

Ivo

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No, they will still be a threat for years with all that talent, but with so much cap tied to a handful of players their depth will surely suffer. Nylander, who is what their 5th or 6th (if at all) best forward is being paid the same or more than each of Bergeron, Marchand and Pastrnak for Boston. With the expected Marner signing the Leafs will be paying their top-3 forwards something like 10+M more than the Bruins. It's hard to win a cup without quality depth throughout the lineup. How are they going to fix their defense? Is Andersen good enough?
 

Shad

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They have the assets now they have to manage those assets to fix the holes in the team. Too early to call it a failure.
 

Eternal Leaf

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Gutted as a Leafs fan but no of course not.

All of the core pieces are young, it's just about surrounding them with the right talent.
 

ole ole

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What rebuilt?
Out the 1st rd again as expected.
Over paid for their star players.
Team has no real depth nor the cap to improve it.
Their D sucks.
Again what rebuilt?
 
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