Has MAF’s Vegas career solidified his HOF status?
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Dipsy Doodle
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Gerry Cheevers made it in despite - like MAF - having zero individual accolades. He was the main goalie on 2 Cup winners though.
In short, I dunno. He shouldn't but he might.
In short, I dunno. He shouldn't but he might.
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I'm not sure what's more sad, the fact that people actively hate him and hate people that love a guy that was the consummate professional his entire tenure for the team, or that he's actually a good goalie and you're allowed to let people be homers of his and also dislike him with admitting he's a good goalie that deserves what he's earned.
I hope he gets in the HHOF when his career is over, f*** all these dip shit haters.
I hope he gets in the HHOF when his career is over, f*** all these dip shit haters.
Love him as a person. I think he's a good goalie. He's got a great record. I think at times his head was a problem during our stagnant years, but he was never one of the top reasons for us taking so long to get that second cup. That being said...
I don't think you're HOF worthy unless you're one of the very best in your position for a substantial length of time. He's not only never won a Vezina, he's never even been a finalist. I think he's a really good goalie who's played on really good teams, but that's it. However, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets in on longevity and win count.
I don't think you're HOF worthy unless you're one of the very best in your position for a substantial length of time. He's not only never won a Vezina, he's never even been a finalist. I think he's a really good goalie who's played on really good teams, but that's it. However, I wouldn't be surprised if he gets in on longevity and win count.
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Will at least retire at #4 in all time wins, could maybe hit 2nd all time depending how long he goes and what Lundqvist is able to do. Add in the Cup wins and appearances and he’s a lock.
Should he get in is a little different, I guess I understand the argument that he’s never really been a top 3 goalie any given year but he gets results and has done so with 2 different teams. A weird HOFer for sure, but still deserving IMO.
Should he get in is a little different, I guess I understand the argument that he’s never really been a top 3 goalie any given year but he gets results and has done so with 2 different teams. A weird HOFer for sure, but still deserving IMO.
The standard that I've been led to exist for HoFers says he shouldn't be in. Given that people do get in despite not meeting those standards I wouldn't rule it out, but it feels like his is a career that needs more individual hardware.
That said - his role in that fairytale start probably got him a decent chunk closer.
That said - his role in that fairytale start probably got him a decent chunk closer.
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yep the only Fleury fans who I dislike are the ones that feel the need to hate on Murray simply because he isn't Fleury. I think most people are capable of liking more than one person. I've never really gotten the hate for Fleury either. Thinking we should move on from him? Yeah, sure. That's fair even if I don't agree with it. But some people were/are way past that.
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Yeah I don't get those people too.
The only thing that I am kind of skeptical about is Murray as the future leader of this team when Sid and Geno are gone. Not in a "I think he'll suck" kind of way, more so...not so sure what kind of leader he is yet kind of way.
But yeah, people that get annoyed by those fans tend to somehow attach the hate for those fans to the player because it doesn't jive with their opinion. That's stupid.
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Man, have you ever read a single comment you’ve uttered about Mike Sullivan?
JFC lol
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A real jerk thing
Curious, why do/did you hate MAF from day 1 and do you still feel the same way?
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As others have stated, his personality will likely push him over the precipice since he's not a clear cut lock
My standards are generally this for the HOF:
1) Was he in the conversation for the top 3-5 players at his position for any length of time? A: No, you can't say that
2) Was he someone that dramatically altered the position he played? I.e. Think Broduer with his puckhandling...he made the league invent the trapezoid. A: No, unless you count flopping as a skill
To expound on #2 I think we've discussed this before where MAF was in the league at the wrong time. If he was in a prior era, he could have been a Hasek-lite where he was a pro at baiting shooters. But he was born where goalies were starting to become monsters in net and were utilizing the "blocking" style where their plain surface area made the save. Shooters no longer get baited.
Furthermore his puckhandling has been to his detriment over his career: the Juniors gold medal game, the disaster vs Columbus in the playoffs, etc.
My standards are generally this for the HOF:
1) Was he in the conversation for the top 3-5 players at his position for any length of time? A: No, you can't say that
2) Was he someone that dramatically altered the position he played? I.e. Think Broduer with his puckhandling...he made the league invent the trapezoid. A: No, unless you count flopping as a skill
To expound on #2 I think we've discussed this before where MAF was in the league at the wrong time. If he was in a prior era, he could have been a Hasek-lite where he was a pro at baiting shooters. But he was born where goalies were starting to become monsters in net and were utilizing the "blocking" style where their plain surface area made the save. Shooters no longer get baited.
Furthermore his puckhandling has been to his detriment over his career: the Juniors gold medal game, the disaster vs Columbus in the playoffs, etc.
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He'll have the numbers, but I don't personally see him as HHOF goalie. He was just never quite near the top of the league at his position.
I wouldn't retire him number here either, ring of honor though for sure.
I wouldn't retire him number here either, ring of honor though for sure.
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I've vote yes, he got the number in the win column with a stack team but we can look the other way. He never got great number because of this stack team who let odd man rush all game long knowing they can out score the opposition. With a more defensive team he shown he can have great number. And in my opinion should have been top 3 his 1st year in Vegas for Vezina. Number was impressive even more with the line-up in front of him. Nobody would have said he was bad if he post the same number as he got with the pens.
UnrealMachine
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The list of goaltenders who have made the HoF over the past 20 years is quite small. To not have won, or even have been a finalist for a Vezina (among other things) is quite damning for one's chances there.
tom_servo
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MAF is above average and occasionally great but never sniffed a Vezina IIRC. I don't care if he ends up #1 in wins (in the no-tie era). I just don't like him as a Hall of Famer.
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