Has Bergevin made us a better team so far this summer? Part 3

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Will Bergevin fill a need with a major acquisition before the start of the 2019-2020 season?

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  1. Yes

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  1. Milhouse40

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    I didn't hate Shaw (at least not like your hate to Plekanec) i simply thought it was a bad move and i thought he received a big contract that was way too much at the time. And i hated we had to trade Eller to make place for him......but i can't change what has been done.

    But last year, i had no problem with Shaw at all. Still would have traded him, just not for that return....made no senses for a team that is looking to make the PO
     
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    You know that last year if it wasn't for his injuries Shaw would have outproduced Gallagher, Danault and Drouin?

    And normally that's how it worked....a young guy comes in and then you make a trade once you are prepared to replace him.....but if none of the kids is ready to play top line minute....then you are screwed.
     
  3. Runner77

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    Are they trying to make playoffs? Maybe they’re still doing the reset thing too.
     
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    Rapala The Cup Runneth Elsewhere.

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    This was my take last year and it was mentioned more than once the next two drafts would be "stocked." I mean what does getting a player like Caufield at 15th indicate other than we should have been all in on additional picks early on. He could have made that happen for last year and this year coming. Talk about taking a direction that was the right one IMO. This isn't just hindsight it was spoken of more than once about how smart teams know when to fold them. Good post.
     
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    Rapala The Cup Runneth Elsewhere.

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    True but they should have been after two seasons of hitting Historical lows.
     
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    Rapala The Cup Runneth Elsewhere.

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    MB will come up with it's a "transitional reset" at some point. :sarcasm:
     
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    This will be the same presser he gets another 5 yr extension...he definitely will need more time.
     
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    Jordan Weal is actually OLDER by a few days.

    the younger player in that group is 28 years old.
     
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    A pick like Caufield indicates that there are several dinosaur GMs who use a player’s height as a determining factor. No other reason to explain how he fell.

    Bergevin gets no credit for simply grabbing a faller. He should have never ended up with the worst lottery pick in the draft. Dumb luck doesn’t excuse it.
     
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    Sounds like the theme of a pride parade float.

    Not that there’s anything wrong with it.
     
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    Might as well announce a double digit plan in the teens, at this point.
     
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    OCTOBER 2018

    L’équipe la plus petite  la plus légère et la deuxième plus jeune de la LNH.png
     
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    Hey at least I don't hide how I felt about Plekanec.

    If you want to pull up some posts I made about Plekanec vs those you made about Shaw

    By all means...

    Why don't you just admit you don't like the GM so any move he makes, you're not going to like it

    It's better then what you're doing now
     
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    No, just better than anyone currently in place.

    When you miss the playoffs, and you want to make the playoffs, downgrading from your most productive winger is a pretty poor strategy.

    Thank you for staying the obvious.

    So you're going to completely change your approach to posting? Or just stop posting?

    That would be a shame... As much as we may disagree on some points, I rather enjoy reading your takes, as subjective and speculative as they are (as they are for us all, of course).
     
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    Do you know what roster list they used for that chart?

    Are AHL bound guys like Alzner included?

    Also, keep in mind that since Oct 2018, we've added Chiarot, Thompson, Weal, Kinkaid & Cousins... and Poehling is likely the only new player sub 25 to be on the roster in Oct 2019.
     
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    Yeah for sure
     
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    A whole 3 days eh?

    That is correct
     
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    who cares how m,any days/weeks, he's older therefore not participating in the youth movement, au contraire.
     
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    Whether the value Poile placed on P.K. was right or wrong is not the point I was making. The point is that at the beginning of the offseason P.K. was traded for pennies on the dollar. Poile worked within a market level.

    Also, that cap room excuse is as lame as a paraplegic. If MB had unloaded a player for pennies on the dollar because he wanted to make room for another player who really isn't any better, you would have an orgy of laments here. I'm sure New Jersey wasn't the only team interested in getting P.K. But that was the best that was offered. Market level. Considering we paid two 2nd rd picks for Shaw, MB got fair value when he sent an older, more concussed and injury-prone Shaw back to the Hawks.
     
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    huh, actually, you kept saying how you did not hate Plekanec...
     
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    You used the Subban trade to prop up the Shaw trade and one has zero to do with the other. It’s a false equivalency.

    What matters is that Shaw was coming off a career year and should have fetched more than what MB got.

    Plus, if MB is really after the PO, why did he sell him for picks alone? Doesn’t add up.
     
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    not so sure...

    I mean, Bergevin is doing a "reset" just a few years after his "transition year" and there's people defending it, even thinking it's better than a rebuild... you know...
     
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    Shaw had his best year ever last year. It's really not a big deal. It really won't be something that makes or breaks our team. Personally I'm just happy we have a GM that is not scared to trade away guys like Shaw and Paccioretti. Let's face it, most people wanted those guys traded anyway.
     
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    I have read thousands of posts here about Koivu " would have outproduced " or " would have made XY points " if it wasn't for his injuries . But it n e v e r happened .

    Shaw is 29 years old and he had his best season ever last year . Will he repeat it next seasons ? we don't know but in my opinion i don't believe he will
     
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    I am not going to call you out on anything and the fact that you would throw that at me is really bizarre. I read posts from you saying that you were done with this forum and if I was that type of low brow personality I could have quoted those before today. I maintain that if we are truly in reset mode we should get to see our young talent have prominent roles on the team. Why is that so bizarre?
     
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