I currently have Defensemen All-Time ranked the following: 1) Orr 2) Harvey 3) Bourque 4) Lidstrom 5) Shore 6) Potvin 7) Kelly I am ultimately trying to get a better comparison of Lidstrom/Bourque vs. Harvey/Shore. I previously compared Lidstrom to Shore and felt Lidstrom won out in actual defensive play and playoffs, while not being far off at all offensively. The competition argument so often used against Lidstrom from Bourque fans applies even more so to Shore, and I felt it was enough that both Lidstrom and Bourque did more than Shore, especially considering strength of their respective eras. So I thought I would do something similar with Harvey. My apologies, as this is only an initial look, but Eagle Belfour had recently posted Harvey's Norrris shares, and I was curious how Lidstrom measured up, considering I feel they were very similar players. Harvey Norris Share (in winning years): 55: 34.6% 56: 62.2% 57: 73.6% 58: 22.2% 60: 67.5% 61: 67.9% 62: 53.9% Lidstrom's Norris Shares: 01: 90.3% 02: 46.7% 03: 67.7% 06: 70.5% 07: 60.8% 08: 94.7% Frankly, I was really surprised by the results. I just figured Harvey would have run away with it, but the opposite is true - Lidstrom dominated his competition more in the 00s than Harvey did during the O6. I'm curious what others' thoughts are on this, as I do not have the time to look too much into it, but I do believe Harvey is subject to the same 'disadvantage' Lidstrom (and Shore) has when it comes to the superior competition Bourque faced (which really no other era can match). My contention for quite a while now is that Harvey/Bourque/Lidstrom/Shore are all extremely close in an all-time context, while I believe many here still see a large gap behind Harvey/Shore.