WarriorofTime
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I know the votes are already in but tonight was a prime exhibit of why Ovechkin is the best player in the nhl.
Benn wasn't even the best offensive player on his team, or at minimum arguably. AND his team didn't make the playoffs. Those 2 together eliminate him from any Hart chance imo. Similar for Crosby, his team made the playoffs on the last day, his team wasn't good enough for him to get hart consideration, for better or worse. When Ovy wins the Richard by the gap he did and Price wins the vezina by the gap he does, they are locks. Tavares was #3 because he was runner up for the ross by 1pt, his team was a middle tier playoff team, and he outscored the next highest person on his team by 35pts. That combo got tavares there easily, but it's a 2 man race anyway imo, so I don't get why everyone is complaining about the 3rd person on the ballot(tavares).
I know the votes are already in but tonight was a prime exhibit of why Ovechkin is the best player in the nhl.
Price in game 6 > Ovechkin game 1
Big contradiction on your part. You say having 10 more goals is better than 6 more points. Crosby had 22 more goals and only 3 less points in 2010 and still lost. So which is it?
I thought both of Ovechkin's points were off the charts tonight. One was a bullet wrist shot through the defender's legs that went high short side. Probably no goalie would stop that one, on average. His other was an unbelievable Forsberg / prime Crosby-like assist with two defenders covering him very closely. He looked like he would continue skating behind the net and dished to Ward in the slot last second (literally). It almost looked like a no-look pass. He had other good chances to score / get an assist. Both points in a 2-1 game and the second one was to avoid overtime. Didn't see the Habs game about which you're talking.Price in game 6 > Ovechkin game 1
I dont want Price to win it, its not fair to the other goalies who have suffered a strong anti-bias becaus of their position during many generations. The goalies who got a hart did it by seperating themselfs by an incredible margin. Price will only suffer from this, he will only be misjudged in the future.
So not being in playoff eliminate a player for winning a trophy?
Not saying it's fair, but the last time a non-playoff team had a Hart winner was Mario Lemieux in 1988, and that was Mario Lemieux, a top 4 player all time.
For some reason the media thinks that player's who contribute gigantic value to their team suddenly create next to zero value when the team doesn't make the playoffs, it's just the way they are .
I think the reasoning is simply that the goal of the regular season is to make it in to the playoffs. Nothing more. So, by not making it, it doesn't make any difference on what happened.
I'm not saying I agree with it, but that's a valid point to make. You have to be Lemieux-esque player to win on a non-playoff team.
Plus Benn literally won the Art Ross after his team had been eliminated by compiling big numbers in meaningless games. Not taking away the Ross from him. He deserved it. But hardly the stuff of the Most Valuable Player.
I mean, it makes sense in that all the value (the value in valuable) in the world doesn't matter if the only goal is to win the cup and you don't make the playoffs.
I mean, it's all up to the semantic interpretation of value.
I'm 100% sure that Mario Lemieux was more valuable to his non-playoff team in 1988 than any of the Hart contenders were this year.
However technically Mario Lemieux provided zero value to winning the cup in 1988 since the Pens never even made the postseason.
Amazing how the West wins the Cup every year and yet doesn't even garner a single representative for the Hart.
Is this even close?
Nope, but its fun to watch people argue about it anyways.....
Is this even close?
I know the votes are already in but tonight was a prime exhibit of why Ovechkin is the best player in the nhl.
Crosby racked up a ton of meaningless points at the end of that season against the Islanders' AHL backup goaltenders. Thankfully the voters weren't fooled by that.
I don't see how price is a lock for winning
he had an amazing season, but League wide scoring was at its lowest in like 10 years. Also, sure Montreals offense isn't exactly a threat. But he plays in front of a great defense, including Norris winner and Norris nominee, Subban
Ovi on the other hand had Backstrom only a few points behind him, and wasn't even top 3 in points(even if it was only by a few) but he did record 50+ goals in a low scoring year.
Both are deserving but I wouldnt be surprised if Ovi won.