Proposal: Hamonic/Hamilton type deal for the Leafs (1st/2nd/2nd)

[Baksfamous112]

It will. The cost will probably destroy Toronto’s prospect pool for the next 2 seasons but it will be the closest thing to a super team that the league has seen in years.

It’s not like they have a deep prospect pool to start with anyway. I don’t see Ottawa being interested in their prospects

 

[ER89]

understood. You don't want Braun but lifer does. One vote for and one against. Consensus for sharks boards seems to be an OK to trading Braun for a 1st plus Bracco + 7th SJ 2020 just cause. We'd hope for a second trade to fill that hole but would do it to replace our lost 1st in the Kane deal

Can you please give us an honest opinion of braun? Strengths/Weaknesses and best way to utilize him? Thank you.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

from a Leaf fan pov, I'd be fine adding Sandin to a deal. He looks like a good prospect, but we're deep enough in LHD to put him on the table imo. I don't think he gets any more value than a late 1st given that he hasn't done anything since being drafted there

agree on Liljegren, keep him unless it's for a young RHD who can be a top pairing guy

Lmao you mean since June...

 

[Randy Randerson]

Lmao you mean since June...

uh, yes? Sorry, I was giving HF credit for being able to piece that bit together

 

[lomiller1]

It’s not my intent to defend Waddell’s tenure in Atlanta. I’m not that much of a homer. I’ve only ever argued that he gets his deserved reputation as a GM for the wrong reason; it should not be a because of his activity as a trader, but that as a drafter. Atlanta ended being awful to mediocre during its run because they came into the league with nothing and did a horrid job of drafting outside of the obvious picks (Heatley, Kovalchuk.)

While TNSE added scouts when the team moved to Winnipeg they didn’t replace the Atlanta scouting staff. The present and pervious directors of scouting were both there in Atlanta.

 

[DoobieDubas]

Can you please give us an honest opinion of braun? Strengths/Weaknesses and best way to utilize him? Thank you.

Why take some randoms word for it? Have you not seen him play before... he's not new to the league.

There is a reason they are down for this trade lol because we are over paying due to filling a need on defence which is over exaggerated to begin with. I like Gudas on our 3rd pair because he fits a need we dont have on our defence core. If gudas has to play 2nd pairing minutes on the leafs then no thank you, can you say hainsey 2.0?

Not saying i dont specifically want braun just not at the ask offered IMO and i dont think dubas is one to toss 2 first rounders into a deal.

This has actually been one of the better threads in regards to offers keep them coming.

 

[ER89]

Why take some randoms word for it? Have you not seen him play before... he's not new to the league.

There is a reason they are down for this trade lol because we are over paying due to filling a need on defence which is over exaggerated to begin with. I like Gudas on our 3rd pair because he fits a need we dont have on our defence core. If gudas has to play 2nd pairing minutes on the leafs then no thank you, can you say hainsey 2.0?

Not saying i dont specifically want braun just not at the ask offered IMO and i dont think dubas is one to toss 2 first rounders into a deal.

This has actually been one of the better threads in regards to offers keep them coming.

No I have not seen him play as much as San Jose fans. I understand he is not new to the league but do you watch 20+ San Jose games a season to make an adequate comment? Because I certainly don't and I am not comfortable to assess his play from just the times they face the leafs. The entire point of this boards is to learn from others that watch their team and to gain new insights on players. Unfortunately it has turned into something else completely. So no, I AM going to take the opinion of a person who has seen braun significantly more than I have.

 

[Nolan11]

No I have not seen him play as much as San Jose fans. I understand he is not new to the league but do you watch 20+ San Jose games a season to make an adequate comment? Because I certainly don't and I am not comfortable to assess his play from just the times they face the leafs. The entire point of this boards is to learn from others that watch their team and to gain new insights on players. Unfortunately it has turned into something else completely. So no, I AM going to take the opinion of a person who has seen braun significantly more than I have.

I am a bit confused on the two first rounders comments a few posts above, as I do not think I asked for that. In any case, Braun for a 1st, a decent prospect and a late round pick (7th rnd) may be more than you want to pay, but it is about minimum we would want to receive to create a Braun sized hole in our own defense. Two years ago, I would have taken the 16th overall from oilers for him, but would not have considered anything in the 20 + overall range. Now, he is likely worth a 20-25 pick, but I still want Bracco + 7th added to your pick (or say a 2020 2nd instead of Bracco).

Braun is a good skating, decently strong shot but unreliable point shot, two way RHD. He has been playing some of the toughest minutes in the league for the last 5 years. His role on our team has been as a complimentary shut-down specialist across from Vlasic. His peak was likely 2-3 years ago, where he and Vlasic shut down the top lines through 3 playoff rounds. (Also in that time, when Vlasic was injured he carried his own pairing well, but don't plan on that now).

Braun had been a solid #2 defender at his peak. Last year or so he has slipped from there, but is still capable of 20+ middle-pairing minutes (he may be able to play a complimentary role on your top pair, but cannot himself carry that pairing. He would be better to slot in to your 2nd pair RHD. He has two years left on a sweetheart 3.8 M cap deal (and even with some of the nay sayers on our board, he is worth every penny of his contract). Braun is a decent middle pairing defender and should remain so for two more years.

 

[ER89]

I am a bit confused on the two first rounders comments a few posts above, as I do not think I asked for that. In any case, Braun for a 1st, a decent prospect and a late round pick (7th rnd) may be more than you want to pay, but it is about minimum we would want to receive to create a Braun sized hole in our own defense. Two years ago, I would have taken the 16th overall from oilers for him, but would not have considered anything in the 20 + overall range. Now, he is likely worth a 20-25 pick, but I still want Bracco + 7th added to your pick (or say a 2020 2nd instead of Bracco).

Braun is a good skating, decently strong shot but unreliable point shot, two way RHD. He has been playing some of the toughest minutes in the league for the last 5 years. His role on our team has been as a complimentary shut-down specialist across from Vlasic. His peak was likely 2-3 years ago, where he and Vlasic shut down the top lines through 3 playoff rounds. (Also in that time, when Vlasic was injured he carried his own pairing well, but don't plan on that now).

Braun had been a solid #2 defender at his peak. Last year or so he has slipped from there, but is still capable of 20+ middle-pairing minutes (he may be able to play a complimentary role on your top pair, but cannot himself carry that pairing. He would be better to slot in to your 2nd pair RHD. He has two years left on a sweetheart 3.8 M cap deal (and even with some of the nay sayers on our board, he is worth every penny of his contract). Braun is a decent middle pairing defender and should remain so for two more years.

Thanks man, appreciated the feedback. I would be comfortable at a first, seventh and a bracco type prospect.

 

[The List Of Jericho]

uh, yes? Sorry, I was giving HF credit for being able to piece that bit together

I think people can put that together. Your argument that the kid’s done nothing since the Leafs drafted him...made me laugh. Hope it was sarcasm lol

 

[Randy Randerson]

I think people can put that together. Your argument that the kid’s done nothing since the Leafs drafted him...made me laugh. Hope it was sarcasm lol

I thought people could put that together too, which is why I didn't see the need to spell it out.

I think you're misinterpreting what I said: he hasn't had the opportunity to impact his trade value since his draft, so his trade value is the same as a late 1st round pick

 

[Nolan11]

I thought people could put that together too, which is why I didn't see the need to spell it out.

I think you're misinterpreting what I said: he hasn't had the opportunity to impact his trade value since his draft, so his trade value is the same as a late 1st round pick

You are forgetting the egos of the receiving team. You may have picked Sandin 29th overall but would the receiving GM had him on his board at that point in the draft. (I would, for my Sharks, but mostly due to positional need. We are light on decent ceiling LHD in our prospect pool). Just saying, the pick is like getting cash you can spend. Getting the just picked prospect is like getting returned merchandise. A little of the luster may be lost.

 

[Randy Randerson]

You are forgetting the egos of the receiving team. You may have picked Sandin 29th overall but would the receiving GM had him on his board at that point in the draft. (I would, for my Sharks, but mostly due to positional need. We are light on decent ceiling LHD in our prospect pool). Just saying, the pick is like getting cash you can spend. Getting the just picked prospect is like getting returned merchandise. A little of the luster may be lost.

Given Sandin's rankings, there's about as good of a chance that the receiving GM would value him higher than the 29oa pick as valuing him lower than that pick. Don't forget that about 20 GM's ahead of him had the option to take a guy who was held in higher regard almost by concensus, so it would make sense that they took one of those options over Sandin, and just didn't have the opportunity to take Sandin as he was gone by their next pick. I don't agree on the "damaged goods" hypothesis unless there's a reason to think that in the individual's situation - if a player hasn't played since his draft (and hasn't had any off ice/health issues), there should be no reason to suspect a change in value either for or against

anyway, I think this is being way over-thought. My original point was just that Sandin's trade value hasn't changed, so he's a decent inclusion in a trade for a defenseman but that we (Leaf fans) shouldn't over value what he'd be interpreted as

 

[Ricky Bobby]

Just out of curiosity - and obviously not for the price you listed in the OP - Would Gudas fit as a top 4 RHD(last year was a bad year, admittedly. Generally hes much better, and has good udnerlying statistical numbers) be of any interest?

Leafs would be aiming for a true top 4 RD.

However, Gudas could still fit cause he's tough and defensively responsible with a cap hit that's in line with his skillset.

However, him being a #5 type would reflect what the Leafs would give up.

 

[Ricky Bobby]

Leafs can't take on much salary with Nylander still needing to sign and needing to cover rookie bonuses for Matthew's + Marner.

This thread should be revisited leading up to the trade deadline.

 

[Colt55]

Maybe a three teams deal is the solution:

Mtl: dermott-liljgren-kyrou

Tor: parayko-paccioretty-schlemko

St-Louis: nylander-petry-2nd round pick

Mtl gets good rebuild items, tor gets a solid top 4 defenseman and a 30 goals left wing to replace nylander and st-Louis gets an excellent rh wing and a top 4 defenseman tawo replace parayko

Are you high this is awefull no effing way

 

[Colt55]

You actually think Patch and Petry gets you basically 3 1sts? Montreal is completely unnecessary in this deal, much rather just deal with St Louis directly.

The blues are not dealing Parayko or Kyrou. But that guys post was really bad.