Hall of Shame: Alex Mogilny Should be in HOF

Max Quackenbush

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He was a guy walking to the beat of a different drum but he had a fantastic career and certainly as good or better than some of the recent inductees:

1032 points in 990 games:

Awards and achievements

NHL All-Star Game(s) – 1992, 1993, 1994, 1996, 2001, 2003 (Injured)
NHL Second All-Star Team – 1993, 1996
NHL Stanley Cup Champion – 2000 with the New Jersey Devils
1992–93 NHL Season – Goal Scoring Leader (76) (*tied) (since 1999, this distinction has been awarded the Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy)
2002–03 NHL Season – Lady Byng Memorial Trophy
(NHL) 1992–93 Season – Game-Winning Goals (11) (1st)[19]
Buffalo Sabres Hall of Fame (Inducted on January 1, 2011)
(IIHF) 1988 World Junior Championships - All-Star Team
(IIHF) 1988 World Junior Championships - (Best Forward)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Mogilny
 
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He was a guy walking to the beat of a different drum but he had a fantastic career and certainly as good or better than some of the recent inductees:

1032 points in 990 games:

Awards and achievements

NHL All-Star Game(s) – 1992, 1993, 1994, 1996, 2001, 2003 (Injured)
NHL Second All-Star Team – 1993, 1996
NHL Stanley Cup Champion – 2000 with the New Jersey Devils
1992–93 NHL Season – Goal Scoring Leader (76) (*tied) (since 1999, this distinction has been awarded the Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy)
2002–03 NHL Season – Lady Byng Memorial Trophy
(NHL) 1992–93 Season – Game-Winning Goals (11) (1st)[19]
Buffalo Sabres Hall of Fame (Inducted on January 1, 2011)
(IIHF) 1988 World Junior Championships - All-Star Team
(IIHF) 1988 World Junior Championships - (Best Forward)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Mogilny

Second team all-star (twice) and goal scoring leader (once) are really the only significant achievements here.

I'm going to vote no for the Hall.
 
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MXD

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He was a guy walking to the beat of a different drum but he had a fantastic career and certainly as good or better than some of the recent inductees:

1032 points in 990 games:

Awards and achievements

NHL All-Star Game(s) – 1992, 1993, 1994, 1996, 2001, 2003 (Injured)
NHL Second All-Star Team – 1993, 1996
NHL Stanley Cup Champion – 2000 with the New Jersey Devils
1992–93 NHL Season – Goal Scoring Leader (76) (*tied) (since 1999, this distinction has been awarded the Maurice "Rocket" Richard Trophy)
2002–03 NHL Season – Lady Byng Memorial Trophy
(NHL) 1992–93 Season – Game-Winning Goals (11) (1st)[19]
Buffalo Sabres Hall of Fame (Inducted on January 1, 2011)
(IIHF) 1988 World Junior Championships - All-Star Team
(IIHF) 1988 World Junior Championships - (Best Forward)


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_Mogilny

Well... it does give him a better case than Phil Housley...
 
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Second team all-star (twice) and goal scoring leader (once) are really the only significant achievements here.

I'm going to vote no for the Hall.

He's a very borderline case. I don't think he gets in because for some reason, he was never really considered as one of the absolute elite's of the game. Even in his all-star berths. Not the same like Jagr, Selanne, Kariya or Bure even if at their best (outside of Jagr who was probably a significant portion better than the rest) Mogilny was comparable player.
 

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He's a very borderline case. I don't think he gets in because for some reason, he was never really considered as one of the absolute elite's of the game. Even in his all-star berths. Not the same like Jagr, Selanne, Kariya or Bure even if at their best (outside of Jagr who was probably a significant portion better than the rest) Mogilny was comparable player.

But you don't have to be at the absolute elite level to get into the HHOF.
 

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But you don't have to be at the absolute elite level to get into the HHOF.

No you don't but it helps. And I think that Mogilny at his best was pretty close to that. I've always wondered if there's something off about his reputation or was he really a "two season wonder"?
 

Max Quackenbush

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He's a very borderline case. I don't think he gets in because for some reason, he was never really considered as one of the absolute elite's of the game. Even in his all-star berths. Not the same like Jagr, Selanne, Kariya or Bure even if at their best (outside of Jagr who was probably a significant portion better than the rest) Mogilny was comparable player.

More points than Lindros, Bure and Kariya.
More points per game than Kariya, approximately the same as Bure and Lindros.
Only one of the four to get over 1000 points.

Best of all (and this should put him in the HHOF): He alone amongst the 4 won a stanley cup.

He should be an obvious selection.

(I like Kariya too for the HHOF)
 

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He was great, very underrated in terms of the future.

I mean 76 goals, it doesn't matter what era you do that in. It's unbelievable.
 

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More points than Lindros, Bure and Kariya.
More points per game than Kariya, approximately the same as Bure and Lindros.
Only one of the four to get over 1000 points.

Best of all (and this should put him in the HHOF): He alone amongst the 4 won a stanley cup.

He should be an obvious selection.

(I like Kariya too for the HHOF)

Hart Trophy Finishes

Lindros - 1, 3, 6, 9, 9
Bure - 3, 9, 12
Mogilny - 18
 
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No you don't but it helps. And I think that Mogilny at his best was pretty close to that. I've always wondered if there's something off about his reputation or was he really a "two season wonder"?

He wasn't a two season wonder, he had a good career.

But I don't think people who were watching him in his late 20s and 30s ever felt they were watching a Hall of Fame career play out. Even borderline guys usually give you that feeling.

This feels like one of those things where you start wondering when Danny Gare is going to pop up as the next candidate.
 
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Hart Trophy Finishes

Lindros - 1, 3, 6, 9, 9
Bure - 3, 9, 12
Mogilny - 18

This is going to be controversial, but I genuinely think that Russian players needed to do something truly special to get award considerations.

I'm sorry but there is a pretty significant Canadian good ole boy network. Good ole boy network with a memory of the 70s and 80s.

The fact that Zubov has such a underwhelming award resume is ridiculous. Mogilny also.
 

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This feels like one of those things where you start wondering when Danny Gare is going to pop up as the next candidate.

... why, why yes tarheel.... Danny Gare... impressive player... put up some big numbers for a guy who was assigned a checking role... ha? :D
 

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This is going to be controversial, but I genuinely think that Russian players needed to do something truly special to get award considerations.

I'm sorry but there is a pretty significant Canadian good ole boy network.

The fact that Zubov has such a underwhelming award resume is ridiculous. Mogilny also.

Your post would look better if it didn't appear just below Flin Flon born Alex Kovalev results.

As for reasons, well, Mogilny was widely perceived, WITH CAUSE, as only the 2nd best forward on his team during one of his monster seasons.
 
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This is going to be controversial, but I genuinely think that Russian players needed to do something truly special to get award considerations.

I'm sorry but there is a pretty significant Canadian good ole boy network. Good ole boy network with a memory of the 70s and 80s.

The fact that Zubov has such a underwhelming award resume is ridiculous. Mogilny also.

Five Russians won the Calder during Mogilny's career. Five.

He didn't have a sterling award resume because he was rarely good enough to warrant award consideration.
 
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This is going to be controversial, but I genuinely think that Russian players needed to do something truly special to get award considerations.

I'm sorry but there is a pretty significant Canadian good ole boy network. Good ole boy network with a memory of the 70s and 80s.

The fact that Zubov has such a underwhelming award resume is ridiculous. Mogilny also.

Mogilny

Points
1992-93 NHL 127 (7th)
1995-96 NHL 107 (9th)

PPG
1992-93 NHL 1.65 (4th)
1995-96 NHL 1.35 (9th)

http://www.hockey-reference.com/awards/voting-1996.html#hart

^ For his 1995 season, yes maybe he should have had a higher finish.

As for 1992, 7th in points leading goalscorer yet not a single hart vote is attributed to his linemate outscoring him by 22 points.
 

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Five Russians won the Calder during Mogilny's career. Five.

He didn't have a sterling award resume because he was rarely good enough to warrant award consideration.

...Not to mention, to vote for him for the Hart in 1992-93, a voter pretty much had to vote for two Buffalo Sabres... When he only had three votes.

That would've made no sense whatsoever. None. It's not like the Sabres finished the year with 120 pts or something like that, and it's not like there was remotely a case for Mogilny over.. say, Doug Gilmour. Who wasn't even the best non-Lafontaine skater that season!
 
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Mogilny

Points
1992-93 NHL 127 (7th)
1995-96 NHL 107 (9th)

PPG
1992-93 NHL 1.65 (4th)
1995-96 NHL 1.35 (9th)

http://www.hockey-reference.com/awards/voting-1996.html#hart

^ For his 1995 season, yes maybe he should have had a higher finish.

As for 1992, 7th in points leading goalscorer yet not a single hart vote is attributed to his linemate outscoring him by 22 points.

...And each voter having only three votes during a season where Mario Lemieux, Doug Gilmour and Pat Lafontaine did what they did.

Mogilny would certainly have had some support if voters would have ranked 5 players instead of 3 like they do nowadays. But even then, he wasn't even the best player to score 76 goals that season!
 

MaxV

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My statement remains.

Go look at HHOF.

Check out how many Russians are there and how many from USA.

Then tell me that my statement is incorrect.
 

MXD

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My statement remains.

Go look at HHOF.

Check out how many Russians are there and how many from USA.

Then tell me that my statement is incorrect.

If you're saying there would be more Russians in the HHOF if there was some kind of affirmative action to make more Russians Halls of Famer again when there's no actual basis for doing so, you're right.

That's the extent to which you're right though, unless you bring up some actual substance and comparisons. I'd tell you right away to not even try because you're gonna lose your time, but I can't tell you what do to...
 

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If you're saying there would be more Russians in the HHOF if there was some kind of affirmative action to make more Russians Halls of Famer again when there's no actual basis for doing so, you're right.

Affirmative Action...

When Phil Housley is good enough for HHOF and Vasiliev isnt.

You are right, I don't know what I was thinking.
 
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Affirmative Action...

When Phil Housley is good enough for HHOF and Vasiliev isnt.

You are right, I don't know what I was thinking.

Why would you come up with a remotely sensible comparable when you can come up with a comparable that makes no sense whatsoever?
 

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My statement remains.

Go look at HHOF.

Check out how many Russians are there and how many from USA.

Then tell me that my statement is incorrect.

There have been considerably more American NHLers than Russian. The HOF, in most cases, other than the early 1990's, and the odd token Soviet star, is based on NHL play. There is no conspiracy.
 

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