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Salary Cap: Hagelin's trade is a killer one

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DesertedPenguin

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As of December, the cap is expected to go up about $2 million, with $3 million as the high water mark.

So let's say a $73.4 million cap. Here's a potential opening night roster.

Bennett (1.2) - Crosby (8.7) - Hornqvist (4.25)
Hagelin (4.0) - Malkin (9.5) - Kessel (6.8)
Kunitz (3.85) - Bonino (1.9) - Sprong (0.692)
Sundqvist (0.700) - Cullen (1.0) - Fehr (2.0)
Sheary (0.667)

Maatta (3.0) - Letang (7.25)
Daley (3.3) - Dumoulin (0.800)
Pouliot (0.863) - Cole (2.1)
Erixon (0.700)

Fleury (5.75)
Murray (0.628)

LTIR - Dupuis (3.75)
Retained - Scuderi (1.113)

Full relief of Dupuis' contract means the above lineup comes to $70,766,249. That leaves about $2.6 million in space.

And that's without exploring options regarding Chris Kunitz and Ian Cole, a resigning of Cullen, and guesstimates for contracts for Olli Maatta and Beau Bennett, who will have interesting negotiations due to their injury histories.

The Penguins will have options next year. They won't be huge players in the free agent market, but they should have some flexibility if they're willing to give guys like Sprong and Sundqvist a shot (and early indications are that they are).
 
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if you think we can sign Maatta for 3 million you are dreaming. He is playing top minutes now. He is going to want 4 million +
 
DesertedPenguin

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Whakahere said:
if you think we can sign Maatta for 3 million you are dreaming. He is playing top minutes now. He is going to want 4 million +
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We have no way of projecting his likely negotiations. He missed an entire season due to injury and is still young. But even if he wants $4 million and term, it won't hurt the Pens.

Maatta isn't a concern at all.
 
Penske

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We'll have no problem signing Maatta. It's just we would be limited in free agency. We wouldn't have much left unless we move some contracts out. Cole, Kunitz and Daley are overpaid for what their role should be.
 
Honour Over Glory

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I want to what's your plan for next summer since Hagelin's trade screwed the cap hit because of his big contract. How Rutherford will deal with Maatta situation?
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Cool story bro. How does that hurt us in any way possible?

If the Pens were going to keep Perron, he'd have cost this team around the price Hagelin is getting paid. The Pens will drop Lovejoy's contract this summer and will likely move Kunitz (hopefully).

The good thing about Maatta is that he's had a few issues with health that make this a little easier to keep him, he'll likely sign a bridge contract if he gets his way, something like a 3yr deal at around 3.75m/yr.

There's a good chance the following will be dangled as trade bait in the summer/draft:

Chris Kunitz - Enters his final year, complimentary winger for the 3rd line at this point.
Trevor Daley - Enters his final year, a decent 3rd pairing PMD.
Nick Bonino - Dirt cheap contract, solid top 9 player.
Ian Cole - Hasn't really fit into the team this year outside of the first few weeks.

That alone is a total of = 11.15m in cap.

Under contract on D:

Kris Letang
Brian Dumoulin
Derrick Pouliot

Then you need to make sure Olli Maatta is signed (shouldn't be a problem).

That leaves some spots to be filled. Two to be exact, with some veterans kept in the AHL as insurance.

Obviously, the biggest worry is, who do we fill for those 2 spots and insurance? Well that's a concern for sure. Since the only other guys left would be Ruopp (has played primarily in the ECHL the last 2yrs) and Seymour (is on an AHL contract this year) and both are mostly stay at home type of defenders.

Pens squandered picks and prospects, none have yet to come back to haunt them though (Despres is in some really bad concussion trouble, Morrow is well...useless? and Harrington, the crown jewel of some people here, is kind of just meh in Toronto and well...if you can't crack that D as a guy that should have been in the NHL according to a lot of people here, yikes).

Pens would be wise to give Niclas Andersen a call-up this year as well, he's a UFA and could likely just go back to Europe. But next year he could really find himself in a spot to make the roster. I've heard he's been fairly rock solid in the AHL for WBS as well.

There was also that kid that was an invite, I'd sign him (heard he's having a fairly solid year in Juniors). Pens will need to cultivate talent outside of picks and will need to do it asap.

That, my non-pens fan buddy, is the real concern.

The fact that the Pens can get a ton of picks now at the draft via trades, but none of those will help any time soon. So the Pens need to give other avenues a shot. But the way they used Plotnikov and didn't really give Andersen a shot...why would you come to the Pens if you are a euro player?
 
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Honour Over Glory

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College FA's and European FA's choose teams like Chicago because they have bred a culture of winning and do a fairly good job of developing their own players as well and are not afraid to give youth a shot with talent.

It's something the Penguins feel they can do, but never really do wholeheartedly. I was excited to get Andersen and Plotnikov to the Pens, hell Crosby wanted to play with Plots, but the guy got dicked around in the top 6, Kunitz has been god awful for stretches at a time and he got to stay in the top 6 to break out of it. While Plotnikov, who brings some sandpaper to the Pens, is shafted from the 2nd line to the 3rd, to the 4th and then press box. Yet we see ****ing Porter get more of an opportunity.

This franchise is a ****ing massive joke. Ass backwards until they dwindle away talent and have jack **** to show for it in a few years when Sid & Geno are closer to being the stars of yesteryear and the stars of now are nowhere to be found in WBS or Pittsburgh.

That, not Olli's next contract, is the biggest concern of them all.

It doesn't matter a **** ton if it's JR running the show or JB or BG...there's someone else pulling the strings when they see it fit, then we just blame the person with the title that we think is really in charge of player moves.

I feel bad for Sprong, our new shiny trade bait for some player that won't help.
 
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Assuming we play Sprong and can't afford Maatta, I wonder the return we would get for Maatta and Hornqvist packaged together.
 
HandshakeLine

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Penske said:
We'll have no problem signing Maatta. It's just we would be limited in free agency. We wouldn't have much left unless we move some contracts out. Cole, Kunitz and Daley are overpaid for what their role should be.
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Which is something I'm okay with. Free agency is the biggest hype and biggest let down every year. We've never had much success with it under any management, historically speaking. I'd rather we explore trades or drafting to fill holes, but I've been saying that for years so who the **** knows?

Kunitz should definitely be bought out or shipped out though. Preferably into the sun.

Also, odds on OP returning to the thread?
 
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DesertedPenguin said:
As of December, the cap is expected to go up about $2 million, with $3 million as the high water mark.

So let's say a $73.4 million cap. Here's a potential opening night roster.

Bennett (1.2) - Crosby (8.7) - Hornqvist (4.25)
Hagelin (4.0) - Malkin (9.5) - Kessel (6.8)
Kunitz (3.85) - Bonino (1.9) - Sprong (0.692)
Sundqvist (0.700) - Cullen (1.0) - Fehr (2.0)
Sheary (0.667)

Maatta (3.0) - Letang (7.25)
Daley (3.3) - Dumoulin (0.800)
Pouliot (0.863) - Cole (2.1)
Erixon (0.700)

Fleury (5.75)
Murray (0.628)

LTIR - Dupuis (3.75)
Retained - Scuderi (1.113)

Full relief of Dupuis' contract means the above lineup comes to $70,766,249. That leaves about $2.6 million in space.

And that's without exploring options regarding Chris Kunitz and Ian Cole, a resigning of Cullen, and guesstimates for contracts for Olli Maatta and Beau Bennett, who will have interesting negotiations due to their injury histories.

The Penguins will have options next year. They won't be huge players in the free agent market, but they should have some flexibility if they're willing to give guys like Sprong and Sundqvist a shot (and early indications are that they are).
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With the CAD below US$0.70, the only way the cap is going to go up unless the 5% escalator is enacted again (it's been enacted every year since the lockout). The players were strongly opposed to using it for this season because they're already having so much money held in escrow, so I'll be quite surprised if it's used for next season.
 
Jacob

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We have like 6 million and some change to play with to sign Maatta + a bottom line guy even if we keep Kunitz.
 
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