Confirmed with Link: Habs Sign Phillip Danault to 3-Year Deal ($3.083M AAV)

[Hostile Offer]

When the best move of the summer for your GM is him simply extending a third line player then you have a problem. This won't bring us a cup and won't even make us a bubble team. It's a nothing move and you want us to give credit to this moron GM for this?

This wasn't the best move of the summer for MB, is someone actually claiming that? Danault just happened to be the most important RFA to sign this summer and he got a good contract considering what he provides. This board is just so demanding on MB to make up for all the things he's done to drag this franchise down (for a reason) that they can't see through it for these deals that benefit us in the smaller scale.

 

[ECWHSWI]

This wasn't the best move of the summer for MB, is someone actually claiming that? Danault just happened to be the most important RFA to sign this summer and he got a good contract considering what he provides. This board is just so demanding on MB to make up for all the things he's done to drag this franchise down (for a reason) that they can't see through it for these deals that benefit us in the smaller scale.

huh... the Habs will be millions under the cap, so financially it doesnt help anything... so hockey wise, you think Danault will help the Habs win more games ?

 

[Hostile Offer]

huh... the Habs will be millions under the cap, so financially it doesnt help anything... so hockey wise, you think Danault will help the Habs win more games ?

You do realize the salary cap will be there beyond this year too?

 

[Mrb1p]

If he is played as the #1 center, sheltered QoC, prime pp minutes, best wingers, plays 82 games...I suppose he has a decent chance at 50 points.

Danault got 40 points without a second of PP time and average deployment.

People need to realize Danault is not Desharnais. Hes a lot more Eller than he is DD. Even if hes brought in by Bergevin, even if he sits in the wrong chair and even if, drumroll, hes QC.

Actually, 2nd C isnt even that bad a chair for him.

 

[ECWHSWI]

You do realize the salary cap will be there beyond this year too?

so that's THE positive thing about the signing ? the salary ? like it will help the Hbas somehow for the next 3 seasons ?

 

[Scriptor]

huh... the Habs will be millions under the cap, so financially it doesnt help anything... so hockey wise, you think Danault will help the Habs win more games ?

Lose a few less, maybe...

 

[Lshap]

so that's THE positive thing about the signing ? the salary ? like it will help the Hbas somehow for the next 3 seasons ?

Habs aren't doing anything for the next two/three years except (I hope) laying bricks for a future team that might become a winner. Danault is one of those bricks. Better to have our future #3C slot filled than to be searching for someone. He can be re-signed at an equivalently easy cap hit in three years, unless he exceeds expectations, which would be good news.

 

[Scriptor]

so that's THE positive thing about the signing ? the salary ? like it will help the Hbas somehow for the next 3 seasons ?

I'm not sure how you view things. Of course, there will be room left over the next three years, especially with so many youngsters looking to join the team on ELCs (Poehling, Kotkaniemi, Ylonen, Fleury, Brook, etc.) in the short to medium term, to pay Danault 10M if Bergevin wanted to.

That doesn't mean that the GM doesn't need to show he can handle the Cap situation -- establish a sound Cap structure for future contracts to be negotiated around -- something that will become a concern at some point as the talented youngsters move to their 2nd and 3rd contracts. Even if Bergevin isn't around for the next potential cap crunch, the relics of his administration, in terms of contracts, will hamper the next GM's job if it wasn't well done. Comparables are the driving force for salaries rising in the NHL, they have been since the salaries were first made public.

Danault at 4M or 5M would mean Drouin at more than he is currently making. Drouin at more than he is currently making might mean Kotkaniemi at an already Cap-hampering contract in his 2nd contract. And so on and so on. It's essential -- more so than for an elite player -- for the GM to put a brake on contracts for depth and supporting cast players.

Your point isn't entirely serious, I hope. If it is, it's definitely shortsighted.

 

[ECWHSWI]

Habs aren't doing anything for the next two/three years except (I hope) laying bricks for a future team that might become a winner. Danault is one of those bricks. Better to have our future #3C slot filled than to be searching for someone. He can be re-signed at an equivalently easy cap hit in three years, unless he exceeds expectations, which would be good news.

he saw how Markov and Radulov were treated by this team, he's seeing how this GM cares about his captain...

do you really wanna bet Habs will be his first choice once his contract is over ? cause he'll be UFA after is contract is up...

 

[ECWHSWI]

I'm not sure how you view things. Of course, there will be room left over the next three years, especially with so many youngsters looking to join the team on ELCs (Poehling, Kotkaniemi, Ylonen, Fleury, Brook, etc.) in the short to medium term, to pay Danault 10M if Bergevin wanted to.

That doesn't mean that the GM doesn't need to show he can handle the Cap situation -- establish a sound Cap structure for future contracts to be negotiated around -- something that will become a concern at some point as the talented youngsters move to their 2nd and 3rd contracts. Even if Bergevin isn't around for the next potential cap crunch, the relics of his administration, in terms of contracts, will hamper the next GM's job if it wasn't well done. Comparables are the driving force for salaries rising in the NHL, they have been since the salaries were first made public.

Danault at 4M or 5M would mean Drouin at more than he is currently making. Drouin at more than he is currently making might mean Kotkaniemi at an already Cap-hampering contract in his 2nd contract. And so on and so on. It's essential -- more so than for an elite player -- for the GM to put a brake on contracts for depth and supporting cast players.

Your point isn't entirely serious, I hope. If it is, it's definitely shortsighted.

what's really short sighted it trying to look at things individually and try to spin them into positives...

I mean, who gives a f*** if the actual Habs GM can manage the cap properly, he's not smart enough to use it to build a decent team... so who cares ? seriously ? are you Habs accountant or something ?

 

[Lshap]

he saw how Markov and Radulov were treated by this team, he's seeing how this GM cares about his captain...

do you really wanna bet Habs will be his first choice once his contract is over ? cause he'll be UFA after is contract is up...

Every player potentially becomes a UFA when their contract is up. Relatively few go that route. In 2021, I highly doubt Danault's decision will come down to the contract negotiations of two long-departed players from 2017.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Danault got 40 points without a second of PP time and average deployment.

People need to realize Danault is not Desharnais. Hes a lot more Eller than he is DD. Even if hes brought in by Bergevin, even if he sits in the wrong chair and even if, drumroll, hes QC.

Actually, 2nd C isnt even that bad a chair for him.

Danault got 40 points because he was stapled to Pacioretty and Radulov for about 50 games that season. During this time he did get powerplay minutes, it's just that he was turrrrrrrible with them. He was with Pacioretty for most of his powerplay time that year and they actually had a GF% of 25% lol. 2C is a dreadful slot for him.

TL/DR: a bunch of bumper points from superior linemates whose own GF/60 dropped like a stone with Danault, who wasn't given powerplay minutes for the same reason you don't give sharp things to a toddler.

 

[Mrb1p]

Danault got 40 points because he was stapled to Pacioretty and Radulov for about 50 games that season. During this time he did get powerplay minutes, it's just that he was turrrrrrrible with them. He was with Pacioretty for most of his powerplay time that year and they actually had a GF% of 25% lol. 2C is a dreadful slot for him.

TL/DR: a bunch of bumper points from superior linemates whose own GF/60 dropped like a stone with Danault, who wasn't given powerplay minutes for the same reason you don't give sharp things to a toddler.

What is the excuse for his production this year then ? Start skating, son.

 

[NotProkofievian]

What is the excuse for his production this year then ? Start skating, son.

More playing time, more power play time, and still stapled to Pacioretty. Same result. He's an offensively limited and limiting player.

 

[Bryson]

This wasn't the best move of the summer for MB, is someone actually claiming that? Danault just happened to be the most important RFA to sign this summer and he got a good contract considering what he provides. This board is just so demanding on MB to make up for all the things he's done to drag this franchise down (for a reason) that they can't see through it for these deals that benefit us in the smaller scale.

Yes Eric Engels is claiming that signing a third line player to a short term contract is one of Bergevin's best moves... after 7 years as GM. Can't make this stuff up.

 

[OldCraig71]

Every player potentially becomes a UFA when their contract is up. Relatively few go that route. In 2021, I highly doubt Danault's decision will come down to the contract negotiations of two long-departed players from 2017.

Most 3rd line centers probably do better contract wise with their current team unless of course there are better younger options on entry level contracts that can replace them. I don't see a guy like Danault going to free agency, he is probably in the teams long term plans.

 

[Mrb1p]

More playing time, more power play time, and still stapled to Pacioretty. Same result. He's an offensively limited and limiting player.

Oh yeah, his whole two points on the PP boosted his stats, by a lot.
Pacioretty the 40 points player also boosted his stats by a lot, amirite ?

You're full of it in this beautiful morning.

 

[Scriptor]

what's really short sighted it trying to look at things individually and try to spin them into positives...

I mean, who gives a **** if the actual Habs GM can manage the cap properly, he's not smart enough to use it to build a decent team... so who cares ? seriously ? are you Habs accountant or something ?

The positive spin is only a result of posters being disingenuous by turning a sound administrative move into a point of contention. Without such dog-on-bone insistence on making everything that Bergevin does a bad thing, there is no such positive spin, meaning insistence that the move is a positive thing.

Saying, "Good contract" after the Danault signing doesn't signify a call to arms to denigrate the GM as a counter point. It doesn't scream from the roof tops that Bergevin is a genius as a GM. The real problem, IMO, is that of interpreting anything positive, even passing observations, about the GM's actions as an affront to the underlying narrative that he is the dumbest human on the planet.

Somehow, for some, that just isn't permitted. Their obstination with this is deafening and bordering on pathological. It's certainly not objective, to say the least. And it certainly stymies many attempts at discussion.

Bergevin will be doing the next GM a favour if he handles the Cap properly. I'm all for that. What exactly are you for? Crap befalling the Habs so Bergevin gets canned, no matter the longer term repercussions?

 

[NotProkofievian]

Oh yeah, his whole two points on the PP boosted his stats, by a lot.

Concession vis-a-vis 2016-17 accepted, that's quite gracious of you.

About this year, naturally he sucks dick on the powerplay and shouldn't even be there, just more evidence in the affirmative.

Pacioretty the 40 points player also boosted his stats by a lot, amirite ?

You're full of it in this beautiful morning.

Away from Pacioretty (about half the time) he was a 1.6 EVP/60 player. OMG gaiz it's super important to remember he's not Desharnais.

Phillip Durrrnault is the poster boy for how defensively responsible players get peter principled out of their depth.

 

[Mrb1p]

Concession vis-a-vis 2016-17 accepted, that's quite gracious of you.

About this year, naturally he sucks dick on the powerplay and shouldn't even be there, just more evidence in the affirmative.



Away from Pacioretty (about half the time) he was a 1.6 EVP/60 player. OMG gaiz it's super important to remember he's not Desharnais.

Phillip Durrrnault is the poster boy for how defensively responsible players get peter principled out of their depth.

But Eller deserved more PP time and he would've been a 2C had Therrien not ruined him

AMIRITE

D-D-D--D-D-DOUBLE STANDARDS.

 

[Bryson]

But Eller deserved more PP time and he would've been a 2C had Therrien not ruined him

AMIRITE

D-D-D--D-D-DOUBLE STANDARDS.

But Eller replaced two of the best centers in the league in the playoffs and performed like a #1C. 10 points in 6 games when used as a top 6 center. Radulov's numbers tanked by 75% after being paired with Danault when Galchenyuk got injured. No double standard here. One player is clearly superior to the other.

 

[NotProkofievian]

But Eller deserved more PP time and he would've been a 2C had Therrien not ruined him

AMIRITE

D-D-D--D-D-DOUBLE STANDARDS.

Whatever helps you process the reality that Derpnault is a dyed in the wool bottom 6er.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

But Eller deserved more PP time and he would've been a 2C had Therrien not ruined him

AMIRITE

D-D-D--D-D-DOUBLE STANDARDS.

Eller has way more offensive talent than Danault, so I guess, in a sense, you are right.

 

[Mrb1p]

Eller has way more offensive talent than Danault, so I guess, in a sense, you are right.

And yet... Danault is the one that outproduces him year in and year out... Weird.

I love Eller BTW, you guys are just so damn petty.

 

[BehindTheTimes]

And yet... Danault is the one that outproduces him year in and year out... Weird.

I love Eller BTW, you guys are just so damn petty.

year in and year out lol. Petty? If you watch games and think Danault has better offensive talent than Eller that's your opinion, but don't expect to convince me who also watches the games and sees something completely different.