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BLONG7

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Thanks for your response.

Bergevin is working with several handicaps -- some come with the job and most of them are self-inflicted.

Of course, he's being held to a high standard since it's a fishbowl job unlike the job you claim you're working at, which isn't being watched and analyzed with the same level of scrutiny as his job. So there are precautions and responsibilities that fall to him and where he fails at them, he'll readily be called on them, rightly or wrongly.

Outside of the very public nature of the job, there are events that have haunted him.

He's made multiple statements, several of a substantive nature, that he has not followed up with sustained and dedicated action. I'm not going to recapitulate them, they are a known quantity and have been repeated ad nauseam here. They have begun with how he was going to build through the draft, how he was going to draft and sign more Quebec-born players, how he wasn't looking to trade PK and he admitted that he had planned to trade him earlier than he had let on and a multitude of other inconsistencies and misinformation, such as with the Radulov and Markov negotiations and so one.

He's made several dubious hiring decisions (anyone can make mistakes), however, he has not intervened in a timely fashion to correct his mistakes. He's mostly doubled down and shown arrogance. He showed an uncanny loyalty to a coach like Michel Therrien, who was hired from a TV sports show. Therrien had done nothing to merit another opportunity, had refused to take coaching assignments in the minors or elsewhere, in order to build his way back up to the NHL. And there were other reasons Therrien had been unemployed, until Bergevin decided otherwise.

Bergevin doubled down on Lefebvre as well when he did not have the track record of development that was needed for the AHL job -- he kept extending his contract. Even when Lefebvre wanted to interview for an NHL job (he only managed one interview and it was only garnered on account of Lefebvre and Phil Housley sharing the same agent), Lefebvre wasn't hired but his AHL job was safe. Bergevin saved it for him for 2 months, telling him not to worry, if he didn't land an NHL job, he could always get his AHL stint back. And predictably, Bergevin gifted Lefebvre a 2 year deal, where he contributed to the disastrous season the Rocket went through this year.

The failure by MB to show contrition has created mistrust and resentment for some fans. It's OK to make mistakes, however, not acting upon them and on top of that resorting to abstract disculpatory sources, is easily viewed as an insult to the average person's intelligence. Repeat this over a 6 year span and it becomes virtually impossible to give him the benefit of the doubt. It becomes an easy source of satire.

You make a good point when you say that just because you surround yourself with friends at work doesn't mean they're incompetent. However, we have seen time and again instances where Bergevin's friends are involved in pro scouting and development, who are not producing positive tangible results. Even amongst the friends that work with you, I am certain that you all hold each other to stringent professional standards and that you are all subject to authoritative performance reviews that are actionable. Looking at how Bergevin manages the team, a large contingent of posters here do not get the impression that Bergevin espouses such standards.

Bergevin has not not fired anyone in the last 6 years, outside of Lefebvre who had another year to go on his contract. Others that have been let go before Lefebvre were allowed to complete their year but did not see their contracts renewed (example: Craig Ramsay, Pfeiffer the analytics guy who advocated against trading Subban). Not only have none of Bergevin's high ranking management staffers been fired during the past 6 years, but as reported last summer, several of them received promotions, raises and/or contract extensions. This is not the Chicago Black Hawks rewarding a management team that presided over multiple Cup wins -- the Habs have not made the finals or semi-finals during MB's tenure and have only had one playoff series in the past 3 years.

How is it possible with the track record that Bergevin has produced, that none of his appointees have been upgraded? How is it possible that he is allowed to continue as he has, by essentially being able to trust the same individuals that have produced the results we have now? The ownership group speaking through Geoff Molson, has affirmed repeatedly that the results of this past season are unacceptable, that widespread changes will be implemented -- and yet, it's perfectly acceptable to let the GM who brought us these results, to continue staying in control into a 7th off-season?

How is it possible that a high revenue team like the Habs, do not take full advantage of their cash flow and economic advantage to attract the best talent and even to poach it from other organizations, by essentially using money that is not constrained by the cap? This falls on MB. He's assembled a large staff and yet has been trumped by other clubs with smaller staffs who have better personnel and who are run more efficiently. Heading into a 7th off season, did anyone conduct an audit or was one conducted just now, as Geoff Molson is claiming changes are needed only now?

How is it possible that a cap team like the Habs, ends up with so much cap room to start the season? Worse, how could there not have been a Plan B when MB played hardball with Markov and Radulov? How could he as supposedly a great evaluator of talent, agree to sign a player with so much mileage and so ill-suited to play in a top 4 role like Alzner, to a long-term deal? Who counseled him to sign Alzner? Who recommended Ott, King, Martinsen, Benn, Hemsky, Streit? Who failed to stand up to Bergevin when he gutted the whole left side of his D within a few weeks from the expansion draft? How does that individual or those individuals who recommended Alzner and these other courses of action, still have a job?

Do we really care that Bergevin has hired close friends to fill key positions within his management team? Not per se, but where there is no record of success and progress, no ascertainable plan, 6 off seasons having passed leading to the current outcome, where the GM has acquired players who were overvalued, not suited to the way the game is currently played, are not a fit on the roster -- and the same mistakes are repeated consistently over a 2-3 year period, then yes, it is fair game to question Bergevin's methods, hiring policies, performance reviews, contractual fallouts etc.

If Bergevin's friends are not doing the job, then he needs better friends or more importantly, candidates who are more competent, whether they are friends of his or not. The fact that Bergevin's close friends have had a significant role to play in the team's current fortunes makes them fair game even if the whole friends thing has become a source of hyperbole -- there is an undeniable truth at the base of it that can't be denied.
Kudos!! Pretty much sums up, how most of us feel. Great post!!
 

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Not sure we can automatically slot AA in at any spot just yet. Maybe it's time to move McCarron to RW to free up an open spot at center?

- Left wing Depth: Carr, Rychel, Addison, Verbeek. Not sure if Terry is back as he is UFA?

- Right wing Depth: Bitten, Waked, Gregoire,

- Center Depth: McCarron, Audette, Evans, Eisenschmid, Froese, Pezzetta, Alain, L Shaw

I have Scherbak and DLR making the Habs next year. Hard to say about Carr but players need to be moved if he makes the Habs next year. Same goes for McCarron, Rychel, and L Shaw. Hard to say if Terry is back or not. I think Froese makes the Habs as a spare.

Carr, Rychel, McCarron, Eisenschmid, Gregoire are all RFA's. We may not re-sign Eisenschmid?

Carr / Evans / Bitten
Rychel / Audette / McCarron
Addison / Alain / L Shaw
Verbeek / Gregoire / Pezzetta

Am I forgetting anybody?

Don't forget Byron "Freeze" Froese. I never understood that signing. I know that Bergey drafted him but he's never shown anything more than an AHLer - Euro ex-pat at best.
 

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Does signing this kid, have a Joel Bouchard reccomendation on it?? Sure seems it....the kid is lighting it up in the playoffs also...could this kid crack the Habs next year? Long shot?
 

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I have Juulsen, Mete and Reilly as the bottom 3 next year.
Laval's D isn't looking too good unless Benn and Schlemko get reassigned or we sign a veteran. Too bad about Valiev, I thought he had Malakhov upside.

Lernout - Taormina
Melancon - Leblanc
Plant - Bourque
 

Wandering Maroon

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It's early. Lehkonen also didn't make the SHL when he was 18 but had 20 pts in 33 games in the Liiga league. Ikonen had 14 pts in 52 games this year. The development 12 months after being drafted is indeed disappointing for Ikonen though. Lets see how he responds as a 19/20 year old next year. If he's not in line to make the SHL, I wouldn't mind seeing him make the trip overseas to play with our AHL team and new coach. We can use his skills on RW.

Vejdemo has to take a big step this year too. He's got the hockey IQ and the skills. He needs to beef up and score more often.
 

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I have Juulsen, Mete and Reilly as the bottom 3 next year.
Laval's D isn't looking too good unless Benn and Schlemko get reassigned or we sign a veteran. Too bad about Valiev, I thought he had Malakhov upside.

Lernout - Taormina
Melancon - Leblanc
Plant - Bourque
You can possibly add Fleury to that list of D
 
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Vejdemo has to take a big step this year too. He's got the hockey IQ and the skills. He needs to beef up and score more often.

Vejdemo has developed nicely for a 87th pick. I see him on par with DLR. He was drafted 2 years after DLR but is less than 12 months younger. DLR will be 23 this May and Vejdemo will be 23 next January.

Just noticed he signed a contract with the Habs. Is he reporting to Laval this year?
 

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Vejdemo has developed nicely for a 87th pick. I see him on par with DLR. He was drafted 2 years after DLR but is less than 12 months younger. DLR will be 23 this May and Vejdemo will be 23 next January.

Just noticed he signed a contract with the Habs. Is he reporting to Laval this year?

Yes, another DLR!
 

Cole Caulifield

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Thanks for your response.

Bergevin is working with several handicaps -- some come with the job and most of them are self-inflicted.

Of course, he's being held to a high standard since it's a fishbowl job unlike the job you claim you're working at, which isn't being watched and analyzed with the same level of scrutiny as his job. So there are precautions and responsibilities that fall to him and where he fails at them, he'll readily be called on them, rightly or wrongly.

Outside of the very public nature of the job, there are events that have haunted him.

He's made multiple statements, several of a substantive nature, that he has not followed up with sustained and dedicated action. I'm not going to recapitulate them, they are a known quantity and have been repeated ad nauseam here. They have begun with how he was going to build through the draft, how he was going to draft and sign more Quebec-born players, how he wasn't looking to trade PK and he admitted that he had planned to trade him earlier than he had let on and a multitude of other inconsistencies and misinformation, such as with the Radulov and Markov negotiations and so one.

He's made several dubious hiring decisions (anyone can make mistakes), however, he has not intervened in a timely fashion to correct his mistakes. He's mostly doubled down and shown arrogance. He showed an uncanny loyalty to a coach like Michel Therrien, who was hired from a TV sports show. Therrien had done nothing to merit another opportunity, had refused to take coaching assignments in the minors or elsewhere, in order to build his way back up to the NHL. And there were other reasons Therrien had been unemployed, until Bergevin decided otherwise.

Bergevin doubled down on Lefebvre as well when he did not have the track record of development that was needed for the AHL job -- he kept extending his contract. Even when Lefebvre wanted to interview for an NHL job (he only managed one interview and it was only garnered on account of Lefebvre and Phil Housley sharing the same agent), Lefebvre wasn't hired but his AHL job was safe. Bergevin saved it for him for 2 months, telling him not to worry, if he didn't land an NHL job, he could always get his AHL stint back. And predictably, Bergevin gifted Lefebvre a 2 year deal, where he contributed to the disastrous season the Rocket went through this year.

The failure by MB to show contrition has created mistrust and resentment for some fans. It's OK to make mistakes, however, not acting upon them and on top of that resorting to abstract disculpatory sources, is easily viewed as an insult to the average person's intelligence. Repeat this over a 6 year span and it becomes virtually impossible to give him the benefit of the doubt. It becomes an easy source of satire.

You make a good point when you say that just because you surround yourself with friends at work doesn't mean they're incompetent. However, we have seen time and again instances where Bergevin's friends are involved in pro scouting and development, who are not producing positive tangible results. Even amongst the friends that work with you, I am certain that you all hold each other to stringent professional standards and that you are all subject to authoritative performance reviews that are actionable. Looking at how Bergevin manages the team, a large contingent of posters here do not get the impression that Bergevin espouses such standards.

Bergevin has not not fired anyone in the last 6 years, outside of Lefebvre who had another year to go on his contract. Others that have been let go before Lefebvre were allowed to complete their year but did not see their contracts renewed (example: Craig Ramsay, Pfeiffer the analytics guy who advocated against trading Subban). Not only have none of Bergevin's high ranking management staffers been fired during the past 6 years, but as reported last summer, several of them received promotions, raises and/or contract extensions. This is not the Chicago Black Hawks rewarding a management team that presided over multiple Cup wins -- the Habs have not made the finals or semi-finals during MB's tenure and have only had one playoff series in the past 3 years.

How is it possible with the track record that Bergevin has produced, that none of his appointees have been upgraded? How is it possible that he is allowed to continue as he has, by essentially being able to trust the same individuals that have produced the results we have now? The ownership group speaking through Geoff Molson, has affirmed repeatedly that the results of this past season are unacceptable, that widespread changes will be implemented -- and yet, it's perfectly acceptable to let the GM who brought us these results, to continue staying in control into a 7th off-season?

How is it possible that a high revenue team like the Habs, do not take full advantage of their cash flow and economic advantage to attract the best talent and even to poach it from other organizations, by essentially using money that is not constrained by the cap? This falls on MB. He's assembled a large staff and yet has been trumped by other clubs with smaller staffs who have better personnel and who are run more efficiently. Heading into a 7th off season, did anyone conduct an audit or was one conducted just now, as Geoff Molson is claiming changes are needed only now?

How is it possible that a cap team like the Habs, ends up with so much cap room to start the season? Worse, how could there not have been a Plan B when MB played hardball with Markov and Radulov? How could he as supposedly a great evaluator of talent, agree to sign a player with so much mileage and so ill-suited to play in a top 4 role like Alzner, to a long-term deal? Who counseled him to sign Alzner? Who recommended Ott, King, Martinsen, Benn, Hemsky, Streit? Who failed to stand up to Bergevin when he gutted the whole left side of his D within a few weeks from the expansion draft? How does that individual or those individuals who recommended Alzner and these other courses of action, still have a job?

Do we really care that Bergevin has hired close friends to fill key positions within his management team? Not per se, but where there is no record of success and progress, no ascertainable plan, 6 off seasons having passed leading to the current outcome, where the GM has acquired players who were overvalued, not suited to the way the game is currently played, are not a fit on the roster -- and the same mistakes are repeated consistently over a 2-3 year period, then yes, it is fair game to question Bergevin's methods, hiring policies, performance reviews, contractual fallouts etc.

If Bergevin's friends are not doing the job, then he needs better friends or more importantly, candidates who are more competent, whether they are friends of his or not. The fact that Bergevin's close friends have had a significant role to play in the team's current fortunes makes them fair game even if the whole friends thing has become a source of hyperbole -- there is an undeniable truth at the base of it that can't be denied.

I don't despise MB as much as a lot of people on this forum do, but this is a great post and it identifies all the problems with his tenure. I like that you have brought up the moves and non-moves which have undoubtedly been proven to be mistakes, and not the ones that are still up in the air. You have avoided falling into the trap of the hot take and your post will stand the test of time as quality post as a result. Wish there were more of that here.

I particularly like that you did not speak of Drouin/Sergachev, Weber/Subban and Price's contract. I think it's too early to talk about these things in absolutes. We all have our own opinions on this but we don't know the future. I'm not 100% definitive on these 3 things yet, and I wouldn't use any of these 3 moves as proof of anything at this point in time.
 

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