TSN: Habs missed the boat again?

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  1. MXD

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    Not to mention, the NCAA signings are usually quite a bit older, hence are way closer to a finished product.
     
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    Oh don't worry, I didn't expect anything less...I was wondering who was the first of our esteemed media acolytes thatwas going to bring up this ridiculous take
     
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    jaffy27 From Russia wth Pain

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    My $$$ was on Gagnon
     
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    I don't think anyone, not even paid professionals, 'missed' out on Frederic Gaudreau.

    His talent level + production didn't make him someone worthy of being drafted...and the fact he signed a free agent deal, is not an indication that professional scouts knew something others didn't. There's more of these types of signings that no one knows about, than the one's who actually turn into something worthwhile.

    I get he's a hot name right now, but he could be playing in Switzerland this time next year...
     
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    Gagnon is running out of ideas...
     
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    Gagnon is an idiot
     
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    beowulf Not a nice guy.

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    Not sure what they missed here? Guy is 24, other than 9 games this year in which he got 1 assist and now 3 goals in 6 playoff games he has played most of his career in the minors with 184 AHL in which he has averaged a point every second game. Even in the Q he ended up with 134 pts in 195 games, nothing spectacular.

    There is a better chance than not that he will not even be on Nashville's opening night roster next year.
     
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    And how is he any different then what we see on here every time a player or coach etc is hired.

    Heck just had a post in the MB thread about missing out on Ulf Samulesson.

    Any hireing/player that has sucsess will be looked back on as a "miss" for the habs, doubly if they are from QC.

    If Cube went on to coach a team next year to win the cup then there will be articles galore about how we missed on Cube.
     
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    Why would it be a problem missing a Gaudreau more than it is missing any other good undrafted player?
     
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    It would actually have been a serious problem if Gaudreau had a junior career/shown in the Juniors as much as a player like Phil Danault, JG Pageau or even Mark Barberio did.

    Of course the players who show that much are... usually drafted.
     
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    Honestly, I like Gagnon and think he's a bright and well informed hockey guy but a loathe these comments so much.

    How did we miss the boat exactly? The guy has 1 point in 9 NHL games. He's been johnny in the spot in the finals with 3 goals in 3 games but seriously, what has he proven and how many other teams "missed the boat" with this I drafted player. He makes it sound like he's some stud PPG player who came to the Canadiens tryout was stellar and we turned our back on him ffs. Just because he's from the Q doesn't mean we have to draft him!
     
  12. Whitesnake

    Whitesnake In my opinion.....

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    Well...a Preds Q scout thought he was worht it and so was the assistant GM. So if nobody missed out, somebody was right. And I mean, even at the AHL level, they were right to sign him, made that team better. And it would have made our team better and who knows help our kids progress more.

    And YES, I will be the first one to say, well the 2nd since you just said it but I thought it first...;), that Gaudreau's job next year is not even secure. Not at all. It will probably be tougher to make the team next year than to play in the Cup Finals. But even just based on his AHL stint, in the end, the Preds Q scout was right....While our Q scouts are right at what?
     
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    Shut the **** up Francois Gagnon.

    And you too Renaud Lavoie..
     
  14. Whitesnake

    Whitesnake In my opinion.....

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    You have to think that sometimes people do it on purpose to miss the point. Quebec scouts sucks. That's a fact. They haven't provided us anything DESPITE seeing Q players succeed elsewhere.

    And what does our NCAA signings outperforming our Q signings? Isn't that the point? How about making better Q signings? Philippe Myers? Gaudreau? Yanni Gourde? Jonathan Audy-Marchessault? Those would look much better than most of our invitees....

    I keep saying...improve the overall scouting department. Improve the way you do this. Hire experts by positions instead of experts by location. Or add to it. But while the Q is underscouted, use that to your advantage so that Q kids that goes undrafted woudl be drafted. Or that kids that leave further than they should, wouldn't.
     
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    Habs are too busy feeling good about themselves, they don't care about stinkin' boats. ;)
     
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    Honest question:

    Who would you replace Gaudreau with in our lineup + do you think he'd be the same with the Habs as he has been in his small sample size with one of the best teams in the league?
     
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    The weakest link on HFHabs >>>>> Frank Gagnon
     
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    vokiel #FireMolsovin

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    Mitchell, second question is no. SCF heroes don't necessarily perform at the same level for their entire careers.
     
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    Every cup run needs its Phil Roberto, Gillies Thibedeau, Serge Boisvert or Gilbert Dionne
     
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    It's truly insane how a media-trained and decent enough HF board poster could probably rip most pundits and journalists apart in the hockey world. These guys ****ing suck.
     
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    I think a better story and way more relevant was how we missed on Guentzel. Sure he isn't from Quebec, but we took Connor Crisp 6 picks ahead of him.

    CONNER CRISP!!!
     
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    Whitesnake In my opinion.....

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    Well my honeset response is most of our bottom 6 players. The day that Paul Byron became a permanent fixture in our top 6 is the day that Gaudreau might have very well be able to make it. Great year in the AHL.

    And the whole "he wouldn't have made it here" like I keep hearing over and over and over again.....I'm sorry, but if people who keep saying that are Bergevin defenders, I just don't understand. How the heck can people state how 1 or 2 playrs away we are from being great, how can people say how improved we are and how very good we are, and that we won all those divisional championships...and STILL spout the nonsense that THIS or THAT player wouldn't have done it here? Should we just stop acquiring players 'cause nobody would do it here?

    If he would have done the AHL season he did for us, we would be ecstatic. Somehow he does that elsewhere, it's not that big of a deal....I know right...the nothing player from the nothing league....
     
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    Whitesnake In my opinion.....

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    Yeah, and I'M ALWAYS there to remind that too. This is a thread about Gaudreau and the Q players. To suggest that I'M solely advocating this is selective reading like it's common around here.
     
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    I'm not going to argue this specific case because I don't have the facts but it seems very clear that no effort at all is made to get local players. None whatsoever. Not Gaudreau ? Fine. But can we get any of the good ones ? Just one.
     
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    Just about every Stanley Cup winning team has a couple players that come out of nowhere and become instant heroes for a short period of time. They play way above their normal level.

    Gilbert Dionne and Paul Dipietro in 93 come to mind.
     

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