Post-Game Talk: Habs lose 3-1 to Bolts

[Le Barron de HF]

People mention we need a LD for Weber but we might actually need a RD for Mete...

Micro Analysis: The Canadiens got away from what was working in the first period

 

[angusyoung]

Theres one kid that can one time it but they dont use him on the PP

Must be that Viking kid with that giant oar of a stick.

 

[Runner77]

People mention we need a LD for Weber but we might actually need a RD for Mete...

Micro Analysis: The Canadiens got away from what was working in the first period

Depends if you principally value your 1st pairing LD for what he does inside the Habs blue line.

 

[ahmedou]

Bingo. I'm sure our players train and practice one-timers, but their effectiveness is limited by their individual levels of natural talent. Despite all the practice and coaching, our roster simply can't do what Tampa and so many other teams do with the puck. And our GM can't seem to acquire the talent that so many other GMs have managed to acquire. So we're stuck with a team of Unnatural-born-killers.

Personally, it’s not the fault of our players. It’s on those individuals who’re bringing them.

 

[Mrb1p]

People mention we need a LD for Weber but we might actually need a RD for Mete...

Micro Analysis: The Canadiens got away from what was working in the first period

It's what I see on the ice for sure. Mete did do some mistakes when he was pressured, but its because he's relied upon as the sole breakout defender on his pair. Weber has been horrible and its not on Mete or anyone else.

 

[Tyson]

People will say that Montreal were better on 3rd period but in fact. Tampa were just playing defensively and they knew that montreal offense is not very deep. So thats was easy to contain them

Yep once they got the lead they just shut down a very limited in talent team

 

[OldCraig71]

How did Sergachev look? I see he's been putting up the points.

He looked okay but he would have looked much sexier in a Red jersey. He will be Bergevin's Mcdonagh, what a senseless dumb short-sighted dumb trade. The day that Bergevin is fired I really hope that it's out of a cannon.

 

[OldCraig71]

People will say that Montreal were better on 3rd period but in fact. Tampa were just playing defensively and they knew that montreal offense is not very deep. So thats was easy to contain them

Exactly. It's like the NFL when teams go up by 20-30 points, the intensity is often not there from the winning team, I call it letting off the gas. 82 games is a long tough schedule and why not conserve some energy if you can, that's what good teams can do. We have 24 cups and I have watched some of our greater teams(In the 70s) do that routinely to bottom feeder/low talent teams.

 

[NotProkofievian]

Wait, the bell centre wasn't even sold out last night? Lol

 

[Habssince89]

DO you seriously think adding Poehling to this lineup will suddenly make it a playoff team? This team is more on the bubble than last season and their play so far has shown that. Only one regulation win and 4 loses in 6 game is not a great start by any stretch.

I'm more predicting what I think will happen, rather than defending what the team is. I'm just trying to add some non-hyperbolic criticisms to the discourse.

This team is very different than last year. Definitely on the bubble, but for entirely different reasons.

 

[Tyson]

Habs acquire players like Folin while the Tampa pro scouts encourage the GM to acquire a young RD like Cernak....that’s one of the differences between a well managed organization and an incompetent one.

 

[The Real Timo]

Habs acquire players like Folin while the Tampa pro scouts encourage the GM to acquire a young RD like Cernak....that’s one of the differences between a well managed organization and an incompetent one.

Let me ask you this... was Cernak ever considered a diamond in a rough?

 

[Yoor]

Weber was by far the Habs worst player, maybe trying to spark him up would be a good idea because hes been atrocious since the last 40 games of last year!!

I'm really starting to think that Weber is becoming a victim of the new NHL before our eyes. Another great player that has been significantly impacted by the game changing to youth and speed. Just my opinion, too bad we don't currently have a good #3 RD that could slot into a #2 RD role at the moment because I would look to trade Weber before it becomes even more obvious to anyone watching.

 

[The Real Timo]

I'm really starting to think that Weber is becoming a victim of the new NHL before our eyes. Another great player that has been significantly impacted by the game changing to youth and speed. Just my opinion, too bad we don't currently have a good #3 RD that could slot into a #2 RD role at the moment because I would look to trade Weber before it becomes even more obvious to anyone watching.

The only way I see Weber getting traded is if Habs have a new GM who doesn't care about hiding and admitting his predecessor's mistakes. If Habs can get a steady second pairing defensemen for Weber I'd consider it a lucky trade.

Weber will not get traded (unless he openly tells Bergevin off) while Bergevin is in power.

 

[Milhouse40]

I'm really starting to think that Weber is becoming a victim of the new NHL before our eyes. Another great player that has been significantly impacted by the game changing to youth and speed. Just my opinion, too bad we don't currently have a good #3 RD that could slot into a #2 RD role at the moment because I would look to trade Weber before it becomes even more obvious to anyone watching.

I agree.
Now, it's all about speed.
Weber's game never been about speed.

It's not about hitting hard and everything, defensive first style of game anymore.
But it's in that era that Weber made his name and reputation.

Then you add that he's 34 years old….the league won't slow down and Weber won't be faster.

 

[Runner77]

Let me ask you this... was Cernak ever considered a diamond in a rough?

If you're using the expression from MB's perspective, you need to be near 30 years old and be an established NHLer for that to apply.

 

[The Real Timo]

If you're using the expression from MB's perspective, you need to be near 30 years old and be an established NHLer for that to apply.

NHLer?

 

[Tyson]

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[sandviper]

NHLer?

What he is trying to say is Bergevin’s idea of a diamond in the rough is the player is a tenured veteran of the league (NHLer) and over 30 years old.

Of course, the reality is that isn’t the true definition of a diamond in the rough, which is what @Runner77 is making light of.

 

[26Mats]

Tatar-Danault-Gallagher
Domi-KK-Drouin
Lehkonen-Suzuki-Armia
Byron-Poehling-Weal
Thompson

So obvious...

If suzuki takes thompson's spotas 4c, we're not far from that.

If Domi's line struggles maybe they call up Poehling to play wing on it. Then they swap Domi and Poehling and Poehling's playing center.

kk's in cj's doghouse. he ain't getting the 2c spot anytime soon.

 

[Kriss E]

I'm really starting to think that Weber is becoming a victim of the new NHL before our eyes. Another great player that has been significantly impacted by the game changing to youth and speed. Just my opinion, too bad we don't currently have a good #3 RD that could slot into a #2 RD role at the moment because I would look to trade Weber before it becomes even more obvious to anyone watching.

You're starting?...
Welcome to 2017.

 

[26Mats]

Good seats. Lousy game.

Tampa's shots were quicker and harder than anything by the Habs. Montreal had a few good shots, but most were shovelled towards the net, right into Vasilevskiy's chest. Same old story -- we can set them up but we can't finish. The Habs are a bunch of Abbotts in search of a Costello.

Petry is our #1 defenseman. It's not even close at the moment.

well it's not exactly shocking that we don't have the fire power up front of basically the same team that almost had the best regular season record in NHL history last year.

Having said that, we should have signed some of the available UFA's this summer (Nyquist, MoJo, Dzingle) in case Suzuki and Poehling weren't ready.

 

[Doc McKenna]

Bottom 5 in the league in both GA/G and PK% to start the year and the coach calls out KK after the game? Seems like the numbers indicate that everyone has been lost defensively for two weeks now.

But KK doesn't play on the PK, so it must be his fault.

 

[Doc McKenna]

You're starting?...
Welcome to 2017.

Its also why the drouin trade hurt us. We needed exactly what sergechev brought. Even if he doesn't amount to more than a good 3rd D, its still light years ahead of our LD currently.

 

[Rapala]

Let me ask you this... was Cernak ever considered a diamond in a rough?

No just rough.