Guentzel the next generation?

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  1. Zirakzigil

    Zirakzigil Registered User

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    But which first overall pick? We are going to get 2 of them after all.
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    I've never been so aroused by a HFB post.
     
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    That'd be a Lebron/Kawhi-level power move.

    I like it.

    Sid's good nature and "face of the game" status has to have some practical purpose beyond Tim Horton's sponsorship. Crosby and Brisson can orchestrate it. Pens can send a representative to every Avs game and single him out for praise to the media.
     
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    Colorado is likely giving MacKinnon a blank check after the way they ****ed him with the current contract.
     
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    Maybe he’ll use that as a reason to sign with his best buddy, older brother, idol, lord Sid :naughty:
     
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    Dont disagree but he was fairly average when he signed that deal. It's only been a steal this last year+ once he broke out.
     
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    Guentzel will be past his prime once Sid retires. Hopefully JR will be long gone by then so we can have a solid farm system to take over.
     
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    He was coming off a 50 pt season as a 20 year old.
     
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    Who are you talking about?
     
  10. Honour Over Glory

    Honour Over Glory Kasper Bjorkqvist's #1 Fan

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    Jake was 22 when he broke the NHL. College players to me, have a different shelf life. I think he has a few more good years in him than the cutoff people have him pencilled in for
     
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    Honour Over Glory Kasper Bjorkqvist's #1 Fan

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    Nate Dogg.
     
  12. Giskard

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    I don't remember any drama with the MacKinnon contract in 2016 ... He just outperforming it, like Josi and others.
     
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    I think he was looking for his big pay day and he hadn't earned it yet like others that cashed in without doing as much as even he did at that point.

    At this point, if the Avs needed to sign him now, he's looking at 11m+ a year. But since his contract is up in 2023, who knows how good he will be at that point, maybe he's peaking right now and he starts to dip around that age.

    In any case, that contract is a ****ing bargain. Imagine getting a 90+ pt player for 6.3m/yr for 4 more years.

    The last bargain the league had was Kucherov and his was just a matter of time before the new contract kicked in, but even at 9.5m/yr, Kucherov is at a good bargain, but MacKinnon is the league's best bargain.
     
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    Avs better win big in the next 4 years. They're gonna be in cap hell once Mack and co need big boy contracts.

    We were fortunate to not experience cap hell like Chicago did, but I think it was silly of Shero to not sign Geno and Tanger to those cap circumvention contracts when they were legal. Would be nice to have Geno at $6m per year instead of $9.5.
     
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    This couldn't be happen since booth Malkin and Letang couldn't sign their new contract before the summer of 2013 when the 8 years limit kicked in.
    And you wouldn't had Malkin for 6m, but of course 8.7m like Crosby, probably same 12 years contract. Will see in 3 years what will happen with Malkin at age 36.
     
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    I think Geno will still be an elite player, the issue with Geno isn't his decline, it's more so his desire to stay in the NHL at that age.

    I think even at 36, Geno will be a 70-80pt player. The guy is the most natural talent in the league.
     
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    I'm certainly not complaining about their contracts. The Pens were fortunate to never have experience cap hell like other teams did. But it should would be nice to take advance of that loop hole when it was available.
     
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    The "loophole" was available only at the end of his ELC contract. The only comparable 2008 contract is Ovechkin 9.5m - 13 years contract, so with Malkin we never would had him at 6m.
     
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    This is not true. Kovalchuk signed his 15 year contract in 2010. They changed it in 2012 during the lockout.
     
  20. Giskard

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    Malkin 5-year contract expired in 2014, so he couldn't sign anything before July 1st 2013, when the loophole was close. So the only moment he could had be signed a longer contract it was after his ELC expired in 2009. And the only comparable contract were Crosby 5-year 8.7m that bridge them to UFA, or an Ovechkin like 13-year 9.5m contract.
    I was just trying to say that you never get Malkin at 6m even on a longer contract.
     
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    Guentzel will be the Pens new Straka...as in the player that was here for a bit while the team had top end talent, and then hung around for a few years when the team was struggling. The only difference is that Straka at least had Kovelev around to lighten the load (actually try to carry it). I don't see a player currently in the system that can fill Kovelev's roll.

    Then again as Pens fans we are really spoiled. We haven't had to worry about not having generational talent on the team since before Mario was drafted (except a few years before Crosby got here).
     
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    Thank you the feedback everyone. From the next 'Captain" to the next Marty Straka, wow so many differing opinions.
    I guess we can mostly agree that we damn better get another 1C from Uncle Bettman soon.
     
  23. MrBurghundy

    MrBurghundy Never forget: #47 & #41

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    I mean, Straka was a pretty damn good player, before the injuries. It's no mean shakes.

    It's also a lot harder to build a team around a wing, even a generational one at that, and while Jake is good, he's probably not going to be a first ballot HHOFer. :dunno:
     
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    I don't know what's worse, that people that you quote think Straka isn't good or a good person to be compared to or that Jake's prime or his good years are very limited.

    I think people forget how good Martin Straka was.
     
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