Euro: Group D: Czech Republic vs. Croatia, 6/17/2016

[Evilo]

What I'm guessing in my part is that *probably* UEFA didn't accept to sell tickets to people who were blacklisted.
I know that's a long shot.

It's so much more obvious to think like Ivan. Blacklisted fans were in the stadiums, and there were no pat downs.

 

[Swervin81]

I hope Dwight Howard re-signs @ the max.

Christ dude, that's just cold. Like, absolute zero level cold. Hell, even worse, Harrison Barnes level cold.

 

[Franck]

Shhhh. Stop.


EDIT : Which game did you see BTW? Did you enjoy it/them?

Ireland - Sweden.

The match was awful and the Stade de France has the worst toilets I've ever seen in my life, but safety was never a concern at the stadium or anywhere else in Paris.

 

[Ivan13]

Almost every major english newspaper had their front page blaming "russian thugs".

So now russians were dangerous, english weren't...



Your point is what exactly?
That you have the ID of every fan in the stadium?
You have no idea who was/wasn't in the stadium. Stop pretending like you have. You're just guessing.
You're using your guesses as facts.

Yes you ID every fan, yes you implement the facial recognition software, in case you know someone bought a ticket for a person on the terrorist watch. The guys who made this happen are well known. But I guess it's easier it bury your head in the sand.

 

[Shrimper]

Almost every major english newspaper had their front page blaming "russian thugs".

So now russians were dangerous, english weren't...



Your point is what exactly?
That you have the ID of every fan in the stadium?
You have no idea who was/wasn't in the stadium. Stop pretending like you have. You're just guessing.
You're using your guesses as facts.

No they didn't. They did after the stadium charge but they also had headlines blaming the England fans.

I think I would know seeing as I read it every day and live there.

 

[TheMoreYouKnow]

It seems to me that the difference between English hooligans and Russian (perhaps Eastern European?) hooligans is that English hooligans get way too drunk cause a nuisance of themselves by throwing stuff and being loud and raucous and occasionally that leads to drunk fights. Meanwhile the Russian hooligans seem to train for this stuff and come prepared with tactics, weapons, and will fight anyone. That doesn't seem to be the same in terms of level of danger, nuisance or whatever else.

Nah, it's not just Russian hooligans who train combat sports and are very organized. These things are common all over Europe. The MMA scene in Europe is heavily laced with hooligan elements and many hooligans work as doormen (often with tie-ins to the organized drug trade). The Russians are stylized into uber-thugs by a media that knows very little about the subject.

The main difference is that in most countries the police has a good idea of who these guys are and what they're up to, they also tend to have a way of preventing them from traveling to a major tournament like a Euro (in Germany they need to check in with their local police precinct every day during a tournament).

It's become pretty obvous to me that the Russian authorities made zero effort to stop them from attending the Euro and some evidence that some elements in the Russian FA in fact encouraged them to do so.

 

[bluesfan94]

No they didn't. They did after the stadium charge but they also had headlines blaming the England fans.

I think I would know seeing as I read it every day and live there.

This point is ironic given that Evilo claims that there's no way anyone can know anything about this tournament/France without being there.

 

[bluesfan94]

Nah, it's not just Russian hooligans who train combat sports and are very organized. These things are common all over Europe. The MMA scene in Europe is heavily laced with hooligan elements and many hooligans work as doormen (often with tie-ins to the organized drug trade). The Russians are stylized into uber-thugs by a media that knows very little about the subject.

The main difference is that in most countries the police has a good idea of who these guys are and what they're up to, they also tend to have a way of preventing them from traveling to a major tournament like a Euro (in Germany they need to check in with their local police precinct every day during a tournament).

It's become pretty obvous to me that the Russian authorities made zero effort to stop them from attending the Euro and some evidence that some elements in the Russian FA in fact encouraged them to do so.

Right on. Obviously I'm not involved in hooligan culture and it's hard to get a good read on it from overseas. It did seem to me though that the Russian hools broke the unwritten code by going after English in general and not just the English hools.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

bad croatia fans

bad

go to ur room

 

[Ivan13]

Hooligan culture is ripe in Europe, I know because some of my ex-mates went off the deep end a while ago and my fiances cousins is one of the main guys with the BBB, which are Dinamo Zagreb's fans. I'm not talking out of my ass and I know what's going on on the Ultras scene in Europe, it's a deeply connected network of well orginized people, if you want to call this scum people.

 

[Evilo]

No they didn't. They did after the stadium charge but they also had headlines blaming the England fans.

I think I would know seeing as I read it every day and live there.

http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actu...nglaise-indulgente-avec-ses-supporters/693761

This point is ironic given that Evilo claims that there's no way anyone can know anything about this tournament/France without being there.

No, I said, making internet guess is for stupid people.
We've been treated to :
- blacklisted fans were in the stadiums even though they have tickets ID
- no ticket ID
- no pat downs in French stadiums
- no checking at the borders

We know that 2, 3 and 4 are false, even from fans who were there (Franck) and who are unbiased.
Why would I believe 1 is true? Because Ivan said so?

 

[Franck]

Right on. Obviously I'm not involved in hooligan culture and it's hard to get a good read on it from overseas. It did seem to me though that the Russian hools broke the unwritten code by going after English in general and not just the English hools.

Eastern European hooligans have always had a much wider definition of what is "fair game" than their western counterparts.

 

[Shrimper]

http://www.lequipe.fr/Football/Actu...nglaise-indulgente-avec-ses-supporters/693761



No, I said, making internet guess is for stupid people.
We've been treated to :
- blacklisted fans were in the stadiums even though they have tickets ID
- no ticket ID
- no pat downs in French stadiums
- no checking at the borders

We know that 2, 3 and 4 are false, even from fans who were there (Franck) and who are unbiased.
Why would I believe 1 is true? Because Ivan said so?

Your link has one tweet from someone. Is that the best you could do?

There is no proof of what you're saying there. I click on the links to the websites and it goes to those websites, not an article.

The Guardian article also criticised both fans.

None of this backs you up.

 

[TheMoreYouKnow]

Right on. Obviously I'm not involved in hooligan culture and it's hard to get a good read on it from overseas. It did seem to me though that the Russian hools broke the unwritten code by going after English in general and not just the English hools.

I think they generally viewed all English as fair game because their view of English fans is essentially a fantasy. England to them is the Mt. Everest of football violence and basically any English scalp is something they can brag with.

They're not the only ones, I am friends with Russians who were congratulated by people of other nationalities for giving the English what they supposedly deserve. To some extent regular English fans are paying the price for the transgressions of their parents' generation.

 

[Evilo]

Your link has one tweet from someone. Is that the best you could do?

There is no proof of what you're saying there. I click on the links to the websites and it goes to those websites, not an article.

The Guardian article also criticised both fans.

None of this backs you up.

Read the article.

 

[Maverick41]

But then wouldn't the name of the St. Etienne fan be on the ticket?

Even personalised tickets have to be checked against an ID in every single case. And I am not sure that is done properly (not just here but anywhere when personalised tickets are used).

I'm afraid that we would have to go all 1984 to really get rid of the problem. So after this tournament there will be another freedom vs. security debate with regards to football in Europe.

 

[HajdukSplit]

Lost in all this is another "brilliant" piece of coaching by Cacic, midfield overrun in the last twenty minutes once Modric went and late substitutions again and he didn't do anything to fix it. The players will have a natural excuse now with the hooligans but once again a ex-YU team decides to play handball in the box in crunch time (Tomas vs. Australia, Vidic vs. Ghana etc..)

Croatia will probably finish third now, Czechs should beat Turkey, who look shot and another disappointing tournament only saved by the fact 16 teams progress. From what I read, Croatia won't be kicked out of Euro, they will be given a Russia type warning but I assume the punishment will come down the line, probably a points deduction from the start of qualification

Though this was very much pre-planned too, apparently its been known for days something was "cooking" and they even knew at what minute this was going to happen, which is why the riot police started to appear. The one thing which shocks me is apparently the flares were in the stadium before the match even started under the seats But these are all rumors for now

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

I stopped watching in the 55th minute to take a nap. Why was Modric taken out? He was playing lights out.

 

[Carolinas Identity*]

Just so stupid

 

[KingLB]

Seems Frank covered a lot.

But as someone currently in France, they are doing full pat downs everywhere involved with the games. Twice on the way into Paris fan zone with once by an actual police officer.

That's said I was at Italy v Belguim and we were not patted down, but part of that was prior to the game was an absolute down pour and people were running all over the place.

Also, while there are names on tickets, they are not checked. Also, would be somewhat useless as only the purchaser of the tickets names is on the ticket. So my ticket has my friends name on them.

Finally, I had been in Lille the past few days (was at Russia/Slovakia where there was a flare in the stands despite a pat down ) and my got the English were all over singing.

 

[East Coast Bias]

I stopped watching in the 55th minute to take a nap. Why was Modric taken out? He was playing lights out.

He came off injured.

 

[Wee Baby Seamus]

He came off injured.

Uh oh... anything bad?

 

[HajdukSplit]

I stopped watching in the 55th minute to take a nap. Why was Modric taken out? He was playing lights out.

Injury and he will miss next match

Also another thing, have no idea why Mamic and Vrbanovic are in the VIP lounge, just more provocation, and two guys currently being charged for tax evasion yet they are allowed to leave the country. This doesn't look good on UEFA either, who have a member of their executive committee who paid the bail for Mamic

 

[East Coast Bias]

Uh oh... anything bad?

Keep seeing rumors he won't play vs Spain (all over Twitter). But I don't think anything official has come out yet.

 

[Voight]

Really sucks we got a tie considering the nature and timing of the goal, but its better thna a loss.