Euro: Group D: Czech Republic vs. Croatia, 6/17/2016

Shrimper

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Blame who you want I don't have a side, I don't care. I didn't even watch it live. I thought they were croatian, but if they aren't, then change it to whichever nationality they are.
Doesn't change those are dumbass fans, right?

I talked about the english because of Shrimper.
That got over your head, didn't it?

Why were you talking about England though when this was a match between Czech Republic and Croatia. This has nothing to do with England.
 

Evilo

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Why were you talking about England though when this was a match between Czech Republic and Croatia. This has nothing to do with England.
This had everything to do with you NEVER blaming the *******s, but always the french.
 

bluesfan94

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I feel like it's hard to sneak a flare gun in your underpants.

And I'm less concerned about the firecrackers/flares; I know those can be snuck in and it's hard to do anything about it - although I kinda like the idea of the full-body scanners used at airports. What I am concerned about is that fact that banned "fans" made it into the stadium even though the French were warned.
 

Shrimper

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This had everything to do with you NEVER blaming the *******s, but always the french.

Except I've blamed England fans as well.

But, please, quote posts where I haven't. If it fits.

Who says the fans weren't to blame either? It can be hard to get flares in but there are other issues as well.
 

Evilo

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Except I've blamed England fans as well.

But, please, quote posts where I haven't. If it fits.

Who says the fans weren't to blame either? It can be hard to get flares in but there are other issues as well.
Please, you've defended them to no end. Even in Lille where they had zero reason to start ****, you managed to say they were gassed... lol...
 

Shrimper

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Please, you've defended them to no end. Even in Lille where they had zero reason to start ****, you managed to say they were gassed... lol...

Because they were gassed. This was reported on the BBC 10 o'clock news and showed them being corralled.

But, again, like I've said in the past. There will also be a small minority that are idiots. I've said that before but you seem happy to ignore that.

It's also the fact that I'm not the only one who has defend the England fans, others have at times too. Why not call them out too?

Why don't we also mention that you seem unable to think that England fans can be victims?
 

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Outside of the handbag rule that was mentioned, what else can be done to stop this in the future? Like Darko said, you can hide these in your pants and no security guard would ever know...

What you need to do is get out in full force prior to games deemed potentially problematic and stop previously identified troublemakers ( consult with the specific nations experts for this ) from enterting the stadium . Be it via ID or pictures whatever. Sure you're not catching all of them and may make mistakes but there are steps in prevention that the french did NOT do.
 

Evilo

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Because the others have stopped. Especially when they couldn't blame the russians.

This hasn't stopped you. You keep on defending them and blaming the french.
 

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The solution is simple. Personalised tickets. No known hools in the stadium; you fire flares or other fireworks? That was your last game.
 

Shrimper

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Because the others have stopped. Especially when they couldn't blame the russians.

This hasn't stopped you. You keep on defending them and blaming the french.

The others have stopped because they don't care. They're not England fans and the incidents were mostly in Marseille.

What about your continued belief that you think England fans cannot be victims? What about that?
 

TheMoreYouKnow

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The solution is simple. Personalised tickets. No known hools in the stadium; you fire flares or other fireworks? That was your last game.

Wouldn't really be a huge deterrent at a game like Russia v England though where a lot of Russian fans had no plans to attend any other Euro match and fully know it will have no effect on their ability to attend matches in Russia (heck they might get a medal from their government the way things have gone).
 

Evilo

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What you need to do is get out in full force prior to games deemed potentially problematic and stop previously identified troublemakers ( consult with the specific nations experts for this ) from enterting the stadium . Be it via ID or pictures whatever. Sure you're not catching all of them and may make mistakes but there are steps in prevention that the french did NOT do.

Wrong. They have. You've posted the same false information THREE times already.
Please stop spreading lies.

Un centre de coopération internationale. Fraîchement inauguré par le ministère de l'Intérieur, mardi, un centre de coopération policière internationale (CCPI) fonctionnant 24h/24 a été mis en place pour prévenir tout débordement lié au hooliganisme. Installée à 25 kilomètres de la capitale, à Lognes, en Seine-et-Marne, cette structure accueille au moins deux policiers de chacun des 23 pays à l'affiche du championnat, indique-t-on au service d'information et de communication de la police nationale (Sicop).

Ces officiers de liaison travaillent aux côtés d'une dizaine de fonctionnaires rattachés à la division nationale de lutte contre le hooliganisme (DNHL), créée en France en 2009, mais aussi d'agents d'Interpol et d'Europol. En contact à la fois avec l'Etat-major de leur pays, qui peut par exemple les alerter du départ d'un car de 300 supporters en direction de la France, ces officiers seront également en relation soutenue avec les "spotters", des physionomistes spécialisés dans la lutte contre le hooliganisme.

Les "spotters" sur la trace des supporters. La présence de "spotters" n'est pas un phénomène nouveau. Le dispositif a déjà été mis en place lors de l'Euro 2012 ou de la coupe du Monde 2014 et existe au cours de l'année sur les matches à risque de Ligue 1 ou Ligue des Champions, par exemple. Présents sur place aux abords des stades ou fan zones, encadrés par des policiers français, "ces spotters connaissent les supporters et savent identifier les troubleurs de fête, les fauteurs de troubles, explique-t-on au Sicop. Ils vont pouvoir les signaler à Lognes, qui va ensuite faire remonter l'information à la DNHL".

Chaque pays compétiteur a envoyé six "spotters", qui seront chargés durant tout le championnat de suivre les équipes nationales sur chacun de leur match. Un vrai marathon jusqu'à l'élimination ou la victoire finale. Outre ce rôle de prévention et de repérage, ils pourront aussi guider les ressortissants de leur pays au cours de la compétition, identifiables par leurs uniformes.

3.000 interdictions de territoire. D'autre part, pour éviter un afflux massif de supporters prêts à en découdre, la France a pris les devants en interdisant de territoire quelque 3.000 supporters étrangers, connus dans leur pays comme violents. L'Angleterre, elle, a même confisqué les passeports de certains ultras ou hooligans pour leur empêcher tout déplacement : 3.000 Anglais ont fait l'objet de cette mesure.

Enfin, si la sécurité de l'Euro 2016 fait évidemment l'objet d'une mobilisation accrue, la mise en place depuis octobre 2009 d'une police spécifique en France semble avoir découragé nombre d'"ultras" et de hooligans. Ainsi, selon le service d'information et de communication de la police nationale, le nombre de policiers mobilisés sur les surveillances de matchs de Ligue 1 a baissé de 41,7% de 2010 à 2015.

http://www.europe1.fr/faits-divers/euro-2016-quel-dispositif-de-securite-face-aux-ultras-2769190
 

bluesfan94

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The solution is simple. Personalised tickets. No known hools in the stadium; you fire flares or other fireworks? That was your last game.

Yes. This would kill the secondary market, but I think this is the only answer. I guess you could have a secondary market run by the federation where you can change the name on the ticket, but that seems complicated.
 

Evilo

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The others have stopped because they don't care. They're not England fans and the incidents were mostly in Marseille.

What about your continued belief that you think England fans cannot be victims? What about that?

No, they've stopped because they know it's not defendable. You hav eno boundaries however.

I never said english fans couldn't be victims. I think it's quite clear that in the Velodrome, russian fans attacked english fans. I wrote so BTW.
However, some other english fans rioted for three days before that and again in Lille the other day. You chose to say they were innocent the whole time.

Again, international press blamed both english and russians for the riots in Marseille.
Only the english press blamed the russians.
 

Shrimper

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No, they've stopped because they know it's not defendable. You hav eno boundaries however.

I never said english fans couldn't be victims. I think it's quite clear that in the Velodrome, russian fans attacked english fans. I wrote so BTW.
However, some other english fans rioted for three days before that and again in Lille the other day. You chose to say they were innocent the whole time.

Again, international press blamed both english and russians for the riots in Marseille.
Only the english press blamed the russians.

Well, maybe you should check your sources. England fans in our media were slated no-end for what happened in Marseille. So, please, talk about how they only blamed the Russians.

The difference between the England fans that are acting like hooligans is that they throw chairs/bottles/pint glass etc with the some being stuck in the 80's and attacking people. The Russian hooligans attacked people with metal bars and knifes and attacked any one. They were much more serious and organised. But, I've said that there is no doubt a minority of England fans acting like idiots but you've ignored that.
 

TheMoreYouKnow

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No, they've stopped because they know it's not defendable. You hav eno boundaries however.

I never said english fans couldn't be victims. I think it's quite clear that in the Velodrome, russian fans attacked english fans. I wrote so BTW.
However, some other english fans rioted for three days before that and again in Lille the other day. You chose to say they were innocent the whole time.

Again, international press blamed both english and russians for the riots in Marseille.
Only the english press blamed the russians.

There was plenty of criticism of English fans in the British media. The tune did change a bit after the incident in the stadium simply because there was no question about the aggressor there.

And I've read some very balanced articles in both the Irish and German media which specified that the English weren't really especially violent, they were their usual loud and obnoxious selves which provoked locals and caused various skirmishes both with locals and police.

No-one really doubts though that the *serious* football violence was specifically sought out and triggered by the legit Russian mob in town.
 

Evilo

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Well, maybe you should check your sources. England fans in our media were slated no-end for what happened in Marseille. So, please, talk about how they only blamed the Russians.

The difference between the England fans that are acting like hooligans is that they throw chairs/bottles/pint glass etc with the some being stuck in the 80's and attacking people. The Russian hooligans attacked people with metal bars and knifes and attacked any one. They were much more serious and organised. But, I've said that there is no doubt a minority of England fans acting like idiots but you've ignored that.

Almost every major english newspaper had their front page blaming "russian thugs".

So now russians were dangerous, english weren't... :shakehead

So you're saying I'm right, all they had to do was check the ID's and those blacklisted wouldn't have made it in? Thanks for proving my point.

Your point is what exactly?
That you have the ID of every fan in the stadium? :laugh:
You have no idea who was/wasn't in the stadium. Stop pretending like you have. You're just guessing.
You're using your guesses as facts.
 

bluesfan94

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It seems to me that the difference between English hooligans and Russian (perhaps Eastern European?) hooligans is that English hooligans get way too drunk cause a nuisance of themselves by throwing stuff and being loud and raucous and occasionally that leads to drunk fights. Meanwhile the Russian hooligans seem to train for this stuff and come prepared with tactics, weapons, and will fight anyone. That doesn't seem to be the same in terms of level of danger, nuisance or whatever else.
 

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