Euro: Group D: Czech Republic vs. Croatia, 6/17/2016

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  1. Shrimper

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    Why were you talking about England though when this was a match between Czech Republic and Croatia. This has nothing to do with England.
     
  2. Evilo

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    This had everything to do with you NEVER blaming the *******s, but always the french.
     
  3. bluesfan94

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    I feel like it's hard to sneak a flare gun in your underpants.

    And I'm less concerned about the firecrackers/flares; I know those can be snuck in and it's hard to do anything about it - although I kinda like the idea of the full-body scanners used at airports. What I am concerned about is that fact that banned "fans" made it into the stadium even though the French were warned.
     
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    Except I've blamed England fans as well.

    But, please, quote posts where I haven't. If it fits.

    Who says the fans weren't to blame either? It can be hard to get flares in but there are other issues as well.
     
  5. Evilo

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    Please, you've defended them to no end. Even in Lille where they had zero reason to start ****, you managed to say they were gassed... lol...
     
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    Because they were gassed. This was reported on the BBC 10 o'clock news and showed them being corralled.

    But, again, like I've said in the past. There will also be a small minority that are idiots. I've said that before but you seem happy to ignore that.

    It's also the fact that I'm not the only one who has defend the England fans, others have at times too. Why not call them out too?

    Why don't we also mention that you seem unable to think that England fans can be victims?
     
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    What you need to do is get out in full force prior to games deemed potentially problematic and stop previously identified troublemakers ( consult with the specific nations experts for this ) from enterting the stadium . Be it via ID or pictures whatever. Sure you're not catching all of them and may make mistakes but there are steps in prevention that the french did NOT do.
     
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    Because the others have stopped. Especially when they couldn't blame the russians.

    This hasn't stopped you. You keep on defending them and blaming the french.
     
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    The solution is simple. Personalised tickets. No known hools in the stadium; you fire flares or other fireworks? That was your last game.
     
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    The others have stopped because they don't care. They're not England fans and the incidents were mostly in Marseille.

    What about your continued belief that you think England fans cannot be victims? What about that?
     
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    Wouldn't really be a huge deterrent at a game like Russia v England though where a lot of Russian fans had no plans to attend any other Euro match and fully know it will have no effect on their ability to attend matches in Russia (heck they might get a medal from their government the way things have gone).
     
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    Wrong. They have. You've posted the same false information THREE times already.
    Please stop spreading lies.

    http://www.europe1.fr/faits-divers/euro-2016-quel-dispositif-de-securite-face-aux-ultras-2769190
     
  13. bluesfan94

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    Yes. This would kill the secondary market, but I think this is the only answer. I guess you could have a secondary market run by the federation where you can change the name on the ticket, but that seems complicated.
     
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    Tickets are personalised already.
     
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    No, they've stopped because they know it's not defendable. You hav eno boundaries however.

    I never said english fans couldn't be victims. I think it's quite clear that in the Velodrome, russian fans attacked english fans. I wrote so BTW.
    However, some other english fans rioted for three days before that and again in Lille the other day. You chose to say they were innocent the whole time.

    Again, international press blamed both english and russians for the riots in Marseille.
    Only the english press blamed the russians.
     
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    Shhhh. Stop.


    EDIT : Which game did you see BTW? Did you enjoy it/them?
     
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    Well, maybe you should check your sources. England fans in our media were slated no-end for what happened in Marseille. So, please, talk about how they only blamed the Russians.

    The difference between the England fans that are acting like hooligans is that they throw chairs/bottles/pint glass etc with the some being stuck in the 80's and attacking people. The Russian hooligans attacked people with metal bars and knifes and attacked any one. They were much more serious and organised. But, I've said that there is no doubt a minority of England fans acting like idiots but you've ignored that.
     
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    So you're saying I'm right, all they had to do was check the ID's and those blacklisted wouldn't have made it in? Thanks for proving my point.
     
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    There was plenty of criticism of English fans in the British media. The tune did change a bit after the incident in the stadium simply because there was no question about the aggressor there.

    And I've read some very balanced articles in both the Irish and German media which specified that the English weren't really especially violent, they were their usual loud and obnoxious selves which provoked locals and caused various skirmishes both with locals and police.

    No-one really doubts though that the *serious* football violence was specifically sought out and triggered by the legit Russian mob in town.
     
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    So then how did banned supporters purchase tickets?
     
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    Almost every major english newspaper had their front page blaming "russian thugs".

    So now russians were dangerous, english weren't... :shakehead

    Your point is what exactly?
    That you have the ID of every fan in the stadium? :laugh:
    You have no idea who was/wasn't in the stadium. Stop pretending like you have. You're just guessing.
    You're using your guesses as facts.
     
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    It seems to me that the difference between English hooligans and Russian (perhaps Eastern European?) hooligans is that English hooligans get way too drunk cause a nuisance of themselves by throwing stuff and being loud and raucous and occasionally that leads to drunk fights. Meanwhile the Russian hooligans seem to train for this stuff and come prepared with tactics, weapons, and will fight anyone. That doesn't seem to be the same in terms of level of danger, nuisance or whatever else.
     
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    I think the Russians were much more dangerous. The flare gun alone should be evidence of that.
     
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    St Etienne fans bought them for them because they and Torcida are well connected.
     
  25. bluesfan94

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    But then wouldn't the name of the St. Etienne fan be on the ticket?
     

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