GDT: Group B - May 12 - Canada vs Finland

Merya

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Takeaways are practically meaningless when defining if someone is really good defensively or not.
Huutonaurua! Ilves fan humiliating himself on the offseason, when the routine of his team doesn't continue.
Pokes, takeaways and other disruptions are exactly what makes PK better than most. A good example would be Jokerit PK last season and Leijonat right now.
 
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Huutonaurua! Ilves fan humiliating himself on the offseason, when the routine of his team doesn't continue.
Pokes, takeaways and other disruptions are exactly what makes PK better than most. A good example would be Jokerit PK last season and Leijonat right now.
It’s only a small part of good defence really. Much, much more important is good positional play and how responsibly a player plays defence the whole game consistently. You show your lack of understanding with your comment.
 

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Canada got more problems than goaltending. I get a kick out of these announcers. The superstars on this team were average today at best.

Nah, goaltending is the one and only issue. Don't underestimate the ability a shitty goaltender has to suck the life and momentum out of a team, even the most talented ones like Canada. With basic saves this game isn't 5-1.
 

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Canada got more problems than goaltending. I get a kick out of these announcers. The superstars on this team were average today at best.

True. But I feel confident the offence can get going. The goaltending is just plain bad. I’d be surprised if they make it past the quarterfinals at this point.
 

McFlash97

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I just lost a lot of respect towards Barzal and Ekblad. How childish can grown ass men be?
I am quite disappointed in Barzal...very inefficient player. All the talent in the world, but wastes so much unnecessary energy skating into areas that are not dangerous, constantly takes weak shots, skates himself out of prime scoring areas, stickhandling like hes surrounded by 3 players in open ice for no reason when no ones close to the guy ... so much possession so little result. Needs that killer instinct to move to the next level. Hes created so much but has been failing miserably at putting his chances away.
 

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when Finland lost to Denmark i was happy for Denmark but sad because Finland will win Gold now. The Swedes have to many cocky Ds that think they do a good job while playing like they forgot there brain in a jar in the locker room. And they did not put it back under the intermissions agains Slovakia.
 

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Boy, Canada's exceptionally terrible this year, even by World Championship standards.
Don't worry, just one group stage game that had no real stakes. On top of that Canada could have a far better team. In best on best only McDavid is a lock. Team Finland will have almost the same team. With minor changes like Barkov/Risto/Laine/Vats/Maatta in and some others out. In addition Canada has a far better track record on NA ice size than international, so it affects also.
 

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kooma 13

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Don't worry, just one group stage game that had no real stakes. On top of that Canada could have a far better team. In best on best only McDavid is a lock. Team Finland will have almost the same team. With minor changes like Barkov/Risto/Laine/Vats/Maatta in and some others out. In addition Canada has a far better track record on NA ice size than international, so it affects also.
Every time Canada loses:
But Canada is better on smaller rink
Canada is better on best on best

Just accept the fact that in this game Canada lost 5-1 with far more better roster than Finland had. Canada was just shit as a team.
 

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Don't worry, just one group stage game that had no real stakes. On top of that Canada could have a far better team. In best on best only McDavid is a lock. Team Finland will have almost the same team. With minor changes like Barkov/Risto/Laine/Vats/Maatta in and some others out. In addition Canada has a far better track record on NA ice size than international, so it affects also.


So if Finland adds their best center, best goal scorer and three best defenders that's minor changes?
 

admire

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LoL...just read thst ekblad started trash talking about how much the earns to the finish player...how pathetic behavior.
 

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Were they saying the same sorts of things when Canada beat Finland last time around? I doubt it.

Those are justt nationalistic bluster comments made by the boys in the booth at international tournaments when their team is winning, as a fan you should not take them seriously.

Actually,

this seems to be the morning after storyline Savinainen vs. Ekblad. Apparently Savinainen's continuous driving at Ekblad got him bragging about his salary at one point, if Savinainen is to be believed.

"I guess he wanted the stick of my kind of star player", Savinainen commented of the finishing shenanigans.
 

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Amazing game by the Finns, they made Canada this bad. Great strategy, great goaltending and solid defense.

However, I do believe it would have been better for the Finnish team to lose this one. Should they meet again when it really counts, Canada will bring a completely different game. Canada rarely loses to the same team twice during a tournament.

I hope you win vs both Germany and the US so we don’t have to face you in the qf. I’d rather see us playing Denmark or Canada.

Ekblad is such a wanker.

I don't think so. If they had lost this game Finland could in no case finish the group as 1st and would very likely finish the preliminary round as 4th. Then they had to play very likely already the quarterfinal against Sweden or Russia. Now they still have a chance to win the group though they still have to play against USA and they will have to beat them for the top standing in this group. This is very difficult I know but not impossible.

But in quarterfinal there are anyway no easy opponents for Finland. Neither Switzerland nor the Czechs are to underestimate both are able to beat Finland if they play like against Denmark.
 
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JabbaJabba

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It's sad to see these small hockey countries get embarrassed against more powerful hockey nations :shakehead

Seriously, Canada was very bad while Finland was very good. Don't know if it was because Marjamäki's game plan but Canada didn't look good for long stretches of the game. They didn't look like a team and took stupid penalties and then were crying to the refs after obvious trips and high sticks. Goaltending was horrible. Finland played like a team and there was always someone to pass to and help out against Canadian forecheckers, there even wasn't too many scrambles near the Finnish goal. Hopefully the effort level carries to this day's game as well.
 

QnebO

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It’s only a small part of good defence really. Much, much more important is good positional play and how responsibly a player plays defence the whole game consistently. You show your lack of understanding with your comment.
There is no one without another, positional game doesnt matter at all if you suck blocking passing lanes ect. Then youre just a pylon. I think it was reasonable answer for him, considering some one just said stick skills are meaningless in hockey defence, it is exactly the opposite.
 

jonlin

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Don't worry, just one group stage game that had no real stakes. On top of that Canada could have a far better team. In best on best only McDavid is a lock. Team Finland will have almost the same team. With minor changes like Barkov/Risto/Laine/Vats/Maatta in and some others out. In addition Canada has a far better track record on NA ice size than international, so it affects also.

In a best on best we would have:

Granlund-Aho-Teräväinen
Laine-Barkov-Rantanen
Armia-Haula-Donskoi
Tolvanen-Koivu-Kapanen

xtras: Savinainen, Lehkonen

Ristolainen-Lindell
Määttä-Vatanen
Nutivaara-Honka

Niku

Raaanta
Rask
Rinne

I think we can actually beat any team with this lineup. Only on defense were a little light. Never underestimate 2-way play and we have 5 centers on the team that can handle it. 2 Selke-caliber guys. Our PP isnt shabby either.
 

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There is no one without another, positional game doesnt matter at all if you suck blocking passing lanes ect. Then youre just a pylon. I think it was reasonable answer for him, considering some one just said stick skills are meaningless in hockey defence, it is exactly the opposite.
I didn’t say stick skills or blocking passes are useless in defending. They are used in fact much more in the way that does not lead into takeaways, but still made into preventing a goal being scored. Just think about it, how many takeaways do the best takeaway specialists get per game? Then think of how many times opponents are really attacking and trying to get goals or goal chances per game? Takeaways are about once per game for very good players in them, but preventing goals and scoring chances with good defensive plays and positional play happen by good defensive players several times per game. So it is much, much more important to just prevent goals than to get exact takeaways. Thus takeaways are a way overrated stat, if you want to really understand who are good defensive players. Takeaways are really a very small part of really good defensive playing.

McDavid was the best in the league in takeaways with 111, but that even lead to only a bit over one takeaway per game. Which has after all a ridiculously small meaning defensively, when you think of the whole season. The second best in takeaways was Jeff Skinner with 93 takeaways for this season, but unfortunately he was in general an abysmal player defensively. Dude is an absolute horrible tirefire defensively (one of the worst in the league), so takeaways mean absolutely nothing to his defence. Takeaways by themselves really don’t tell much at all about how a player is defensively, trust me.
 
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