Grigorenko or Kastsitsyn?

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  1. LiveTheSearch

    LiveTheSearch Registered User

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    Hey guys,

    I'm in a keeper pool (in our 13th year) and tomorrow is our annual draft ... I'm picking 8th overall (12 teams) and will have a chance at one of the two mentioned above. Which player do you honestly feel will put up the best numbers in NHL in the future (2,3,4 years down the road).

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.

    -Ned-

    PS. I'm leaning towards Grigorenko.
     
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    No hesitation Nedved: Grigorenko. Sure we don't know how well he will recover but you can't take any chance. At 18 YO, he dominated the World Junor last year, played for Russia National Team and recorded just about a couple of goals behind the best sniper of the Russian League. Kastsitsyn? At 18, he didn't manage yet to make the regular roster of his Russian Team ( CSKA). So you have the choice between one guy who was amoung the best of his league at 18 and an other who is not yet ready to enter it.
     
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    Thanks for your input - I really appreciate it.

    -Ned-
     
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    I wouldn't make your decision yet Nedved. I don't know much about either but I sincerely doubt the decision is as cut and dry as paul99 would have you believe.
     
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    If Grigorenko recovers from the accident, then it's is quite unlikely that Kostitsyn will produce more points. Especially because Grigorenko will have more NHL experience at the time and will probably play sooner.
     
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    If Grigorenko recovers, minimum I don't see him weaker than Kastitsyn. Grigorenko is a player without weaknesses, he shoots, he assist, he fights along boards, he is hard worker on the ice, hard worker with great skills.

    His previous year stats are pretty impressive:

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    Kastsitsyn.. no way are you taking Grigorenko. You realize he's just a couple months removed from being comatose and suffering a life threatening and possible career altering injury?

    3 months ago the choice would be Grigorenko but be aware he is a major risk now. There is no telling what Grigorenko will do in the future. I also heard he needs a solid year of rehab just to play again.
     
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    Last I heard the word was that he could be back on the ice this december for Lada Togliatti. I do remember some articles from when he visited the Wings TC that a metal rod in his leg was too long and was going to be swapped out for a shorter rod, but I don't believe there was anything seriously wrong that would jeapardize Igor's recovery. Any other Wings fans out there with links to the article(s), or a better memory than mine?
     
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    A bit old but here is one link here.

    I remember seeing pictures of him at a either camp or a pre-season game and he had met with the press and fans and he looked pretty good. Considering the chance he was given after the accident first happened he's come a long ways and it looks like he's working hard to go even further.
     
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    he's one helluva lucky kid to not only survive the accident, but to come through with apparently so few long lasting effects. The five-six months mentioned in the article would put him on the ice again right around December, too.
     
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    Redwingscentral has a good point too:

     
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    And you do realize that he can recover fully from the injury and get his game back up to par. Never say never, and if he does make it back up to where he was at before he was hurt, watch out!
     
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    I even said he could. The point I was making is Kostitsyn is the much safer pick at this point. Are you going to tell me that a guy who almost lost his life 2 months ago is a sure bet to fulfill his potential anymore then a guy who hasn't gotten any set backs?

    Skill isn't the only thing that this type of thing can affect, it could also mess with his head.
     
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    Yea i see where your going with that, but still, if grig can get back into the form he did before this set back, then i think he'll be just fine, but yes kast is a safer pick at this point
     
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    And yet he couldn't keep up with Semin in the playoffs.
     
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