John Flyers Fan said:TSN interview with Gord Miller on TSN.ca
Sounds like he's lost all hope.
kremlin said:Players didn't even bring an offer, heck...I would be disappointed as well. He just blew a couple of hundred bucks on a flight from Phoenix to New York and for what? Nothing, nada
John Flyers Fan said:From all reports the NHL invited the NHLPA to New York, and then presented essentially the exact same $42.5 million offer that the NHLPA already turned down.
If the NHL wasn't going to come off the $42.5 million offer from Tuesday, why invite the NHLPA ???
Maybe to tell them this is how much trouble the business is really in and to be partners and stop fighting us so we can all salvage this situtation..John Flyers Fan said:If the NHL wasn't going to come off the $42.5 million offer from Tuesday, why invite the NHLPA ???
Schlep Rock said:All the media reports of a player mutiny vs. Bobby Boy... that's why.
NYIsles1 said:Maybe to tell them this is how much trouble the business is really in and to be partners and stop fighting us so we can all salvage this situtation..
I have not heard Gretzky this down since Billy Smith swept his Oilers in 1983 and mocked him when he won the MVP..
John Flyers Fan said:Apparently so, as The Hockey News is now reporting that the offer presented to the players today, was actually worse than the Tuesday offer.
http://thn.com/en/headlines/detail.asp?id=27377&cat=954945254360
If that's actually the case, I've lost even more respect for the ownership group, presenting an offer that they had to know would be rejected ... doing something public that they knew would build hope in the fans again, only to stomp all over them again.
If you're going to present the same offer, or a worse one, send it via e-mail .. instead of trashing your fans base for the 2nd time in a week. Completly disgusting.
Mountain Dude said:Of course its worse, every offer from now on is going to be worse.
John Flyers Fan said:That's fine in June or September, but don't get the fans hopes up, 3 days after you crushed them, with a bogus offer, after floating the idea that $44-45 million is doable. IMO just another act by the NHL office showing the don't give a damn about the fans.
John Flyers Fan said:That's fine in June or September, but don't get the fans hopes up, 3 days after you crushed them, with a bogus offer, after floating the idea that $44-45 million is doable. IMO just another act by the NHL office showing the don't give a damn about the fans.
Mountain Dude said:Whats wrong with doing it now?
Bogus offer? Are you ****ing kidding me? Find any other better offer currently available for the PA in the whole rest of the universe.
This is the same hockey news that brought all this false hope that everyone on both sides at those meeting completely denied as an accurate rumor. If your going to trash anyone start there because it's the only thing they can agree on and add EJ Hradek and his false deals are done proclamations.John Flyers Fan said:Apparently so, as The Hockey News is now reporting that the offer presented to the players today, was actually worse than the Tuesday offer.
http://thn.com/en/headlines/detail.asp?id=27377&cat=954945254360
If that's actually the case, I've lost even more respect for the ownership group, presenting an offer that they had to know would be rejected ... doing something public that they knew would build hope in the fans again, only to stomp all over them again.
If you're going to present the same offer, or a worse one, send it via e-mail .. instead of trashing your fans base for the 2nd time in a week. Completly disgusting.
John Flyers Fan said:What's wrong with doing it now ???
Three days after the NHLPA rejected an offer, you give them something worse, and expect them to accept? The NHL couldn't have honestly thought the NHLPA was going to accept today.
That's fine if the season was officially cancelled, but IMO its a kick in the groin to fans, when you tell them there is a possibility of saving the season after you cancelled it once.
If the NHL made the offer they made today March 15th, I'd have had no problem, but not after raising the fans hopes, for no reason at all.
Can you blame them? They do an excellent job with their teams whil the others, well......John Flyers Fan said:The whole partnership line has become a complete joke .... Illitch, Cablevision, Comcast etc. don't want to be parteners with Lemieux, Karmonos, Leipold etc.
Lady Rhian said:Truthfully, it was the MEDIA that gave us false hope, not the owners. The media had this as a "deal done", 28 game season before they even met! Right now, I wouldn't trust ESPN, TSN, and other sports shows on this issue if my life depended on it. Shame on The Hockey News for reporting a deal was done prematurely- got all the fans hopes up, only to **** on us again. This is what is going to drive more fans away, the media better be careful with this hype, they are on thin ice now with people like me ready to turn away from this for good.
Greschner4 said:There probably was a deal all but done and then the PA got to the meeting and started talking about a bunch of other stuff and didn't deliver what was said they'd deliver in back channels.
It's really the only way to read it.
NYIsles1 said:This is the same hockey news that brought all this false hope that everyone on both sides at those meeting completely denied as an accurate rumor. If your going to trash anyone start there because it's the only thing they can agree on and add EJ Hradek and his false deals are done proclamations.
If this is as high as the league can (42m) the players are going to have to understand but as far as we know they made no offer and stayed at 53.9 and wanted profit sharing but no linkage. All reward, no risk.
I taped the press conference and the best he said he could do was a hundred thousand or so when he was pushed in a question about how much the league could improve it's offer. The 45 million which to date the NHLPA never offered from all reports has not been offered by either side.John Flyers Fan said:Don't say that Bettman didn't dangle out $45 million ... he did it at the press conference on Wednesday and he then did it again on the radio in Toronto.
The media didn't put words in his mouth. The media also didn't invite the NHLPA publicly to New York.