Gretzky/McDavid/Messier/??? Versus Lemieux/Crosby/Malkin/Francis

[GlitchMarner]

You can choose Weight, RNH, Draisaitl, Arnott or anyone else who's played centre for the Oilers to be the final member of their group.


Which centre group would you rather have?

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[Incognito]

I take the Pens group based on depth. There's not a huge amount of separation between Gretzky - Lemieux, McDavid - Crosby, and Messier - Malkin, but Francis is much, much better than any 4th centre that the Oilers could nominate.

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

Gretzky is so much better than anyone else on this list

 

[LordNeverLose]

Gretzky


Lemieux

Crosby
McDavid
Messier
Malkin


Weight


Super close, I'll vote Edmonton just because of Gretzky but it's really close.

 

[snipes]

Gretzky

 

[dr robbie]

Gretzky's obviously the best of the bunch, but I don't think the difference between Gretz - Lemieux is greater than the difference between Francis - whoever you choose from the Oilers. I'll take the Pens 4 over the Oiler's 3 1/2

 

[bobholly39]

I take the Pens group based on depth. There's not a huge amount of separation between Gretzky - Lemieux, McDavid - Crosby, and Messier - Malkin, but Francis is much, much better than any 4th centre that the Oilers could nominate.

No offense but that's literally the worst argument you could have said.

Gretzky (best ever)
Lemieux (best ever if u dont think it's 99)
Crosby (so good...could have been close to best ever, who knows with his peak interrupted)
McDavid (we haven't seen his peak yet, who knows how good he'll be)
Messier (diff mold than top 4, but wow what a player/leader....warrior)
Malkin (talent-wise he's up there with the best ever)


And you make your choice based on Francis? lol.

 

[bobholly39]

Voted Pitt. super close. It's mostly based on the fact that i'd love to see those guys together at their best - i feel as though we've already seen Gretz at his best, so it's less exciting

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

Gretzky.

Who cares about the 4C? Have the top 3 play ~20 minutes each.

 

[Felidae]

No offense but that's literally the worst argument you could have said.

Gretzky (best ever)
Lemieux (best ever if u dont think it's 99)
Crosby (so good...could have been close to best ever, who knows with his peak interrupted)
McDavid (we haven't seen his peak yet, who knows how good he'll be)
Messier (diff mold than top 4, but wow what a player/leader....warrior)
Malkin (talent-wise he's up there with the best ever)


And you make your choice based on Francis? lol.

I don't see anything wrong with that argument. At least depending on the criteria. If we're taking the center groups based on peaks and what they've accomplished in close to a full season, that'd be the best argument imo. Even then, it's not too bad. Not as much separating those elite players compared to an elite player in Francis and someone who's yet to reach elite status, or never did.

 

[Puck Dogg]

Gretzky.

Who cares about the 4C? Have the top 3 play ~20 minutes each.

Francis can play second defenseman on powerplay. He did that with Penguins.

 

[bobholly39]

I don't see anything wrong with that argument. At least depending on the criteria. If we're taking the center groups based on peaks and what they've accomplished in close to a full season, that'd be the best argument imo. Even then, it's not too bad. Not as much separating those elite players compared to an elite player in Francis and someone who's yet to reach elite status, or never did.

What I mean is there's so much to be excited about regarding the other players. Who cares about Francis?

Gretzky/Lemieux
even Crosby/Malkin....certainly McDavid and what's to come, or Messier and his legendary status.

The question is which would you rather have. Pick the group that excites you the most. The group that you're more a fan of, the group you think will mesh better, the group you think will break more records....don't make the decision based on a 4th line center.

It'd be like me making a poll asking if you rather pick McDavid/Drai or Eichel/Dahlin - and you picking one or the other because of who the 4th line winger on a team is. I just don't get that line of thinking

 

[edog37]

Lemieux.....GOAT makes this an easy choice. Francis & Messier are equal. Crosby blows McOverrated out of the water & Geno has no equivalent.

 

[McVespa99]

Lemieux.....GOAT makes this an easy choice. Francis & Messier are equal. Crosby blows McOverrated out of the water & Geno has no equivalent.

You Flyers fans have bad taste in players

 

[McDavidCrushedLarkin]

Lemieux.....GOAT makes this an easy choice. Francis & Messier are equal. Crosby blows McOverrated out of the water & Geno has no equivalent.

Without a doubt one of the dumbest posts I've read here in months.

 

[Craig Button]

Lemieux > Gretzky
Crosby > McDavid
Messier > Malkin
Francis > ????

Easy to go with the Pens here on paper.
However Gretzky and Messier are proven winners,
Especially Messier.
Lemieux needed Francis.
Messier didn’t need Gretzky.

Too bad I can’t change my vote

 

[La Masse]

Wayne


Lemieux
Sid
Mcdavid
Malkin

Francis
Who cares.

Ill take the team with a prime 99 over anybody. He can turn a 4th liner into a decent player

 

[edog37]

Lemieux > Gretzky
Crosby > McDavid
Messier > Malkin
Francis > ????

Easy to go with the Pens here on paper.
However Gretzky and Messier are proven winners,
Especially Messier.
Lemieux needed Francis.
Messier didn’t need Gretzky.

Too bad I can’t change my vote

Francis was a proven winner also. He wasn’t called Ronnie Franchise for nothing. When Lemieux got cheap shorted by Graves in ‘92, it was Francis who led the team.

 

[edog37]

Without a doubt one of the dumbest posts I've read here in months.

Let me know when McOverrrated gets past the second round...

 

[Nadal On Clay]

I really think people are overrating the difference between Lemieux and Gretzky, they are a lost closer than people tend to believe. If it’s everyone at their peak form, it’s Pittsburgh, but it may switch to Edmonton when we’ll know what Peak McDavid is.

Very close.

 

[Craig Button]

Francis was a proven winner also. He wasn’t called Ronnie Franchise for nothing. When Lemieux got cheap shorted by Graves in ‘92, it was Francis who led the team.

Exactly why I said Lemieux needed Francis.

I did vote for the Pens.
But the greatness of Gretzky and Messier make it a tough choice.

 

[blogofmike]

I really think people are overrating the difference between Lemieux and Gretzky, they are a lost closer than people tend to believe. If Iran everyone at their peak form, it’s Pittsburgh, but it may switch to Edmonton when well know what Peak McDavid is.

Very close.

I don't visit this section often. So I never posted this here:

		Lemieux				Gretzky
Date	Result	G	A	PTS	+/-	G	A	PTS	+/-
06-Nov-84	Oilers 3 @ Pens 3		1	1	1	1		1	-1
12-Jan-85	Oilers 3 @ Pens 4	2		2	Even		3	3	Even
26-Jan-85	Pens 3 @ Oilers 6	1		1	-1	3	1	4	2
22-Jan-86	Pens 7 @ Oilers 4		4	4	Even	1	1	2	-2
07-Mar-86	Pens 3 @ Oilers 5		1	1	-1		2	2	2
26-Mar-86	Oilers 8 @ Pens 3		1	1	-2	1	3	4	3
05-Dec-86	Oilers 4 @ Pens 2			0	-2		3	3	2
24-Jan-87	Pens 2 @ Oilers 4		1	1	Even	1	3	4	3
24-Feb-87	Oilers 2 @ Pens 5			0	Even		1	1	-2
20-Nov-87	Pens 1 @ Oilers 4		1	1	-2		2	2	1
19-Feb-88	Pens 3 @ Oilers 7		1	1	Even			0	Even
12-Nov-88	Pens 2 @ Kings 7	1	1	2	-3		1	1	Even
07-Mar-89	Pens 2 @ Kings 3 (OT)	1	1	2	2		2	2	Even
31-Oct-89	Kings 8 @ Pens 4		2	2	-3	3	3	6	4
10-Feb-90	Kings 6 @ Pens 7		1	1	-1		1	1	Even
26-Feb-91	Pens 2 @ Kings 8		1	1	-3		3	3	1
07-Mar-91	Kings 2 @ Pens 3		2	2	2	1	1	2	1
07-Mar-92	Pens 3 @ Kings 5		1	1	-2	1	2	3	3
11-Mar-93	Kings 3 @ Pens 4	1	3	4	2	1	1	2	Even
06-Nov-93	Pens 3 @ Kings 8		2	2	-2		4	4	3
26-Mar-96	Blues 4 @ Pens 8	5	2	7	3		1	1	-2
16-Oct-96	Pens 1 @ NYR 8			0	-2		2	2	2
16-Nov-96	NYR 8 @ Pens 3		1	1	-1	1	1	2	Even
25-Jan-97	NYR 7 @ Pens 4			0	-2		3	3	1
24-Mar-97	Pens 0 @ NYR 3			0	-1	1	1	2	2
	Total (25 games)	11	27	38	-18	15	41	56	23
	Oilers-era (11 games)	3	10	13	-7	7	15	22	8
	Post-Oilers (14 games)	8	17	25	-11	8	26	34	15

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Nadal On Clay]

I don't visit this section often. So I never posted this here:

		Lemieux				Gretzky
Date	Result	G	A	PTS	+/-	G	A	PTS	+/-
06-Nov-84	Oilers 3 @ Pens 3		1	1	1	1		1	-1
12-Jan-85	Oilers 3 @ Pens 4	2		2	Even		3	3	Even
26-Jan-85	Pens 3 @ Oilers 6	1		1	-1	3	1	4	2
22-Jan-86	Pens 7 @ Oilers 4		4	4	Even	1	1	2	-2
07-Mar-86	Pens 3 @ Oilers 5		1	1	-1		2	2	2
26-Mar-86	Oilers 8 @ Pens 3		1	1	-2	1	3	4	3
05-Dec-86	Oilers 4 @ Pens 2			0	-2		3	3	2
24-Jan-87	Pens 2 @ Oilers 4		1	1	Even	1	3	4	3
24-Feb-87	Oilers 2 @ Pens 5			0	Even		1	1	-2
20-Nov-87	Pens 1 @ Oilers 4		1	1	-2		2	2	1
19-Feb-88	Pens 3 @ Oilers 7		1	1	Even			0	Even
12-Nov-88	Pens 2 @ Kings 7	1	1	2	-3		1	1	Even
07-Mar-89	Pens 2 @ Kings 3 (OT)	1	1	2	2		2	2	Even
31-Oct-89	Kings 8 @ Pens 4		2	2	-3	3	3	6	4
10-Feb-90	Kings 6 @ Pens 7		1	1	-1		1	1	Even
26-Feb-91	Pens 2 @ Kings 8		1	1	-3		3	3	1
07-Mar-91	Kings 2 @ Pens 3		2	2	2	1	1	2	1
07-Mar-92	Pens 3 @ Kings 5		1	1	-2	1	2	3	3
11-Mar-93	Kings 3 @ Pens 4	1	3	4	2	1	1	2	Even
06-Nov-93	Pens 3 @ Kings 8		2	2	-2		4	4	3
26-Mar-96	Blues 4 @ Pens 8	5	2	7	3		1	1	-2
16-Oct-96	Pens 1 @ NYR 8			0	-2		2	2	2
16-Nov-96	NYR 8 @ Pens 3		1	1	-1	1	1	2	Even
25-Jan-97	NYR 7 @ Pens 4			0	-2		3	3	1
24-Mar-97	Pens 0 @ NYR 3			0	-1	1	1	2	2
	Total (25 games)	11	27	38	-18	15	41	56	23
	Oilers-era (11 games)	3	10	13	-7	7	15	22	8
	Post-Oilers (14 games)	8	17	25	-11	8	26	34	15

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Thanks for reminding us that the Oilers dynasty was a better team than the 80s Lemieux Pens!

 

[XXIV97]

Edmonton

 

[Sensinitis]

Without a doubt one of the dumbest posts I've read here in months.

I wouldn’t dare speaking if I were you, considering you just posted that “gretzky is so much better than anyone else on this list”. Lemieux is on the list. The gap between Gretzky and Lemieux, whatever it may be, is not close to being as big as the words “so much better” suggest.