Nathaniel Skywalker
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Gretzky, Lemieux, Coffey vs Makarov, Krutov, Fetisov 3x3 OT
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Others have trusted Paul Coffey to stop a Soviet 2-on-1 and done okay.
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3-on-3, I don't know if there is any defenseman I'd pick over Coffey, other than Orr
Dennis Bonvie
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I'll take the 3 guys that played together as a unit for years.
The advantage they have defensively is bigger than the advantage the Canadians have offensively.
Faceoff is key, but neither Gretzky or Mario were good on faceoffs. If Canada wins the faceoff, Fetisov needs to cover Mario. If Russians win the faceoff.....?
The advantage they have defensively is bigger than the advantage the Canadians have offensively.
Faceoff is key, but neither Gretzky or Mario were good on faceoffs. If Canada wins the faceoff, Fetisov needs to cover Mario. If Russians win the faceoff.....?
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What makes a good face off-taker? Never really got it. It's not like these guys lacked in hand-to-eye coordination or anything...
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Dennis Bonvie
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But in this situation, wouldn't it be more beneficial to have a defenseman who was a better 2 way player? Mario & Gretzky really don't need a Paul Coffey level offensive player to succeed when they have the puck.
Dennis Bonvie
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Sorry, I thought you were speaking about Gretzky & Mario specifically. Bad read by me.
Nick Hansen
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I did. I interpreted your post as thinking I was being sarcastic with regards to Mario and Wayne.
Dennis Bonvie
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I did. I interpreted your post as thinking I was being sarcastic with regards to Mario and Wayne.
Wow, are we on the same page or what?
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That's true.
On the other side, I'm not sure Gretzky's strong suits would come through so much in a 3 against 3. With his hockey sense, you'd figure his advantage is mostly that he grasps complex situations faster than anyone else. E.g. it's pretty reasonable that he wouldn't be as good in a 2-2 situation as he was in a 5-5 and a 4-4 situation. Considering how different 3-3 overtime hockey looks compared to 5-5 and even 4-4, I don't think Gretzky would stand out as much. I think you'd rather have a Henri Richard or Sergey Fyodorov if you could choose.
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In theory sure, as it gives Gretzky fewer pieces to manipulate, but Gretzky and his Oilers (so Coffey as well) were absolutely dominant 4 on 4, to the point where they apparently considered taking 4 on 4 opportunities instead of powerplays. I do think that Lemieux would probably be better than Gretzky in this context given that he is likely the more unstoppable player in a one on one situation.
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I'm aware of their historic strength in 4-4 situations. I actually think it's the perfect storm for Gretzky to stand out: enough complexity to fully employ his superior hockey sense plus a bit more space to make things happen. But IMO 3-3 hockey is a different animal. When you watch it, it has little resemblance to the game as we know it. It amounts to a continuos succession of end-to-end rushes. I don't think Gretzky would stand out half as much as Lemieux and Coffey.
In north america we round up.
OT- 99,66,7 without question.
Fetisov was better then Coffey but Krutov/Makarov don't come close to 99/66.
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Yeah but in this 3 on 3 scenario he has Lemieux on the ice with him, ie all he needs is for Lemieux(in 3 on 3 with less people to cover him) to get remotely open and he gets an assist.
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Heh, is there a person in the world outside of Pittsburgh who would describe Gretzky as "199 point player"?
Gawd, you're really trying to put Lemieux on the same level as Gretzky, aren't you?
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You really started a whole discussion over 1 point lmao. Couldn’t have just said nothing?
Batis
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Lemieux also seemed to have a clear advantage when facing Fetisov one-on-one which could prove vital in this match-up. These three situations come to mind.
Lemieux first stickhandles by and then outmuscles Fetisov.
Great move from Lemieux to get by Fetisov.
Lemieux with another great move against Fetisov.
Batis
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On the other hand Makarov was one of the greatest one-on-one players of all time as well and Coffey would likely also have a very hard time containing him in this scenario. To be fair I would say that Coffey had less struggles with him than some other all-time great defencemen like Potvin and Robinson had. Still Makarov clearly had the advantage against Coffey as well. Some examples of this.
Makarov easily beats Coffey one-on-one and creates a great scoring chance for Larionov.
Makarov stickhandles through three players. One of them is Coffey.
Makarov stickhandles past Coffey and goes to the outside of Robinson and shoots a backhand wide of the net.
Makarov easily beats Coffey one-on-one and creates a great scoring chance for Larionov.
Makarov stickhandles through three players. One of them is Coffey.
Makarov stickhandles past Coffey and goes to the outside of Robinson and shoots a backhand wide of the net.
