Rumor: Gregor: Gulutzan and Yawney "Signed, Sealed and Delivered"

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The hair is similar so therefore their coaching tendencies must be the same. LOL

I mean I get that we wanted GG to fail because he was the Flames coach but the Eakins comp was ridiculous from the get go. It was lazy.
At least the hair thing is funny. :D The Del gif is gold. :nod:

This is really nothing more than a few posters who were trying to invent anything they could to tarnish GG as a coach.
So here we are now and its like if something is repeated enough then people will actually start to believe it regardless of how dumb it is.

Bill Peters is basically Todd McLellan though. ;)
 
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The whole GG is like Dallas Eakins retoric was completely and utterly fabricated by Oilers fans to raz Flames fans. The two are not similiar in any way that I personally have heard or seen.

I think the Flames under Hartley were a one dimensional heavy pinching offense first team withoit any defensive structure. Under GG he had them playing responsible structured hockey that got them into the playoffs. They improved far more than I ever thought possible in a relatively short time.

Eakins took a team slowly improving and made them worse in every way especially in terms of defensive systems.

I agree completely.

Good post.
 

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I never really thought coaching was an issue there. Hartley won the Jack Adams, so any reports of his flaws may have merit but I'm suspicious of it. The real issue here imo is that the Flames, and many objective hockey fans, have thought that "on paper" the Flames should be a winner, if not a contender. They seem like they should be just below Nashville maybe. Except, the results were never there, so coaching gets under the gun. Except, I see some pretty huge issues with how that team is constructed.

I also think they screwed up by getting Hamonic, who only really showed his value when the Isles gave him an offensive role, and then Calgary got him to play defense and cover up the defensive deficiencies of their defense. (btw Hamonic would have been much better as an Oiler)

So, Gulutzen imo has been a scapegoat. If they try to get an authoritarian like Tortorella, I don't think that will inspire that team to live up to how great they should be 'on paper'
 
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I never really thought coaching was an issue there. Hartley won the Jack Adams, so any reports of his flaws may have merit but I'm suspicious of it. The real issue here imo is that the Flames, and many objective hockey fans, have thought that "on paper" the Flames should be a winner, if not a contender. They seem like they should be just below Nashville maybe. Except, the results were never there, so coaching gets under the gun. Except, I see some pretty huge issues with how that team is constructed.

I also think they screwed up by getting Hamonic, who only really showed his value when the Isles gave him an offensive role, and then Calgary got him to play defense and cover up the defensive deficiencies of their defense. (btw Hamonic would have been much better as an Oiler)

So, Gulutzen imo has been a scapegoat. If they try to get an authoritarian like Tortorella, I don't think that will inspire that team to live up to how great they should be 'on paper'
Calgary is lacking an elite number one center that would get them into the playoffs.
Anaheim - Getzlaf
San Jose - Thornton
Los Angeles - Kopitar
Colorado - Mackinnon
Los Vegas - Karlsson (based on this season)
Winnipeg - Scheifele

That teams that didn't have one in the West was Nashville and Minnesota (they never do good in the playoffs), but Nashville has the depth to cover for it.

They need an elite number one center
 

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Calgary is lacking an elite number one center that would get them into the playoffs.
Anaheim - Getzlaf
San Jose - Thornton
Los Angeles - Kopitar
Colorado - Mackinnon
Los Vegas - Karlsson (based on this season)
Winnipeg - Scheifele

That teams that didn't have one in the West was Nashville and Minnesota (they never do good in the playoffs), but Nashville has the depth to cover for it.

They need an elite number one center

I would agree that Monahan isn't an elite answer for them and if they could swap the skillsets of Monahan and Gaudreau, their fortunes would be very different.

I think a lot of media types thought that Smith stabilizing them in goal would be a big difference maker for them, but what they didn't understand is that two hot runs from Brian Elliot and Chad Johnson were the only reason they made the playoffs in 16-17 anyway. More stops from Smith just evened that out.

I'm not going to claim to understand Glen Guluztan's ability as a coach, but I think the Flames were probably about where they belong in terms of standings. Some years in, some years out. They did pretty badly limp to the finish line this year, though.
 

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That's fair. As I said I have no idea how good he might be. BUt I would not want him given the HC job just because.

I would agree. It's possible Gulutzan learns something under a more experienced coach like McLellan but over here he was remarkably obstinate and seemed to be hesitant to correct his mistakes long after it had become apparent that they were indeed mistakes, that's not the kind of guy I would want running a bench. Still, getting a former HC as an assistant is generally a win in this league.
 

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I never really thought coaching was an issue there. Hartley won the Jack Adams, so any reports of his flaws may have merit but I'm suspicious of it. The real issue here imo is that the Flames, and many objective hockey fans, have thought that "on paper" the Flames should be a winner, if not a contender. They seem like they should be just below Nashville maybe. Except, the results were never there, so coaching gets under the gun. Except, I see some pretty huge issues with how that team is constructed.

I also think they screwed up by getting Hamonic, who only really showed his value when the Isles gave him an offensive role, and then Calgary got him to play defense and cover up the defensive deficiencies of their defense. (btw Hamonic would have been much better as an Oiler)

So, Gulutzen imo has been a scapegoat. If they try to get an authoritarian like Tortorella, I don't think that will inspire that team to live up to how great they should be 'on paper'
Hartley's goal differential was worse by 8 in his first year in Calgary (lock-out season), stagnant in his 2nd year, big improvement of 57 goals in his 3rd year (Jack Adams year), and in his final year their goal differential slipped 54 goals back to basically what it was before he arrived. Calgary got hot one of his 4 years there, but remained rather stagnant as a team. Net of -5 goal differential to the worse over his run in Calgary.

Gulutzan's run was a net 5 goal differential improvement over his two seasons..

I'm not sure if either of these guys deserved getting fired, but neither was able to really move the needle on a permanent basis, just one year of success and then fell back to the baseline.

For comparison McLellan had a 43 goal differential improvement in 2015-16, 77 goal differential improvement in 2016-17, and then a big slide of 64 goal differential worse in 2017-18. Net 56 goal differential improvement under McLellan.
 

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Bob Mckenzie on TSN1260 this morning:

- Doesn't think bringing in two former head coaches means Mclellan is on a short leash.

...and that was about it on Oilers stuff lol. No thoughts on which coach will be doing what with the special teams. He did allude that when head coaches aren't picking their own staff, there is usually tension between him and management but doesn't believe this is the case here...believes Mclellan, Chiarelli and Nicholson are all on the same page with the selections. Nielson brought up a Frank Seravalli comment about NHL interest in all three assistants was very heavy around the league and all three chose the Oilers, which Bob basically confirmed.
 
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I don't mind that PP unit, but I think you need to set McDavid up on the left half boards instead of the right. You can't just have Pulju as the trigger man. Do what the Jets do with Wheeler. He's the QB on the right board as a right shot but it opens up Buff, Scheifele and Laine as one time options for him (all right shots).

McDavid is no longer a one-time option, but it opens up Klef, RNH and Drai for it.
I have no idea how or where to find it, but Struds had a good talk yesterday about the PP. Would like McDavid on that right side so that you have a better angle to shoot. And then any of the right shot wingers whether that's JP, Strome or even Rattie on the other side ready for their one timers
 

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Anyone planning on watching the press conference today? I'm assuming Swift will be airing it on their website?
 

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I really hope Viveiros is in fact the last coaching addition - I really am most concerned about whoever is in charge of the powerplay. A team with Connor McDavid, Leon Draisaitl, and Ryan Nugent Hopkins has absolutely no excuse for anything but an excellent powerplay. Viveiros' track record in that regard is really exciting.

They still need that big shot down low. The PP system last season was certainly an issue (why was Drai not in the slot?, why was Lucic not parked in front?, too stagnant etc.) but it's going to be very difficult to be a top PP without a one shot scorer.
Believe it or not, Lestestu's one timer was a big reason why the PP succeeded 2 seasons ago, it gave the Oilers a one shot scorer option and opened up space for McDavid and Drai because teams started respecting Letestu's shot. All the good PPs have that guy, do the Oilers? Pulju could be that guy but he's still too raw to be counted on so I wonder who they slot there next season.
 
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Anyone planning on watching the press conference today? I'm assuming Swift will be airing it on their website?

I just checked their Twitter feed...they're airing it on their Facebook page but seemingly not on their official website (it's at 11 a.m.).
 

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Just looking at stats from last year to see what is out there for a vet PP specialist that could be had for cheap.

Came across this horrible stat. McDavid PP point leader of the Oilers with 20, Jeff Petry 23
 

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Anyone planning on watching the press conference today? I'm assuming Swift will be airing it on their website?
I feel like there isn't going to be a lot of value unless you are a Bronco fan. I can't really see them announcing where guys are actually going. More who's leaving and a year end presser.
 

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I have no idea how or where to find it, but Struds had a good talk yesterday about the PP. Would like McDavid on that right side so that you have a better angle to shoot. And then any of the right shot wingers whether that's JP, Strome or even Rattie on the other side ready for their one timers

It will be available on podcast via iTunes (Jason Gregor Show).
 

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I love how the Flames Fans are not even worried about GG being our Assistant. After all the flack they gave Treliving for firing him, it's like they don't care. I bet you, Oilers will trounce the Flames again all year.
 

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Wouldn’t be surprised if we don’t hear something until Tuesday of next week. I’m assuming Viveiros will be attending the press conference in Swift, and will want to be at the introduction in Edmonton. That and press conferences don’t generally happen on weekends, McLellan is tied up for a few days (Mods can PM me if need be) and the finals start on Monday.

So unless the press conference happens this morning, and Manny isn’t in Swift, everyone can go on and wait until Tuesday.
 
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They still need that big shot down low. The PP system last season was certainly an issue (why was Drai not in the slot?, why was Lucic not parked in front?, too stagnant etc.) but it's going to be very difficult to be a top PP without a one shot scorer.
Believe it or not, Lestestu's one timer was a big reason why the PP succeeded 2 seasons ago, it gave the Oilers a one shot scorer option and opened up space for McDavid and Drai because teams started respecting Letestu's shot. All the good PPs have that guy, do the Oilers? Pulju could be that guy but he's still too raw to be counted on so I wonder who they slot there next season.

Completely agree on missing that shot, but Draisaitl has shown a killer one timer and as you said Pulju could be that guy.

That said, the Pens have made their power play work with both Letang and Schultz out and I figure we could do the same. Mcdavid or Drai in the Crosby role, Drai or McDavid one timing like Malkin and RNH playing the floating shot option. That worked fairly well for them though McDavid probably needs to further up his shot for it to click.

At the very least we can do far better than the abomination of last year lol.
 

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They still need that big shot down low. The PP system last season was certainly an issue (why was Drai not in the slot?, why was Lucic not parked in front?, too stagnant etc.) but it's going to be very difficult to be a top PP without a one shot scorer.
Believe it or not, Lestestu's one timer was a big reason why the PP succeeded 2 seasons ago, it gave the Oilers a one shot scorer option and opened up space for McDavid and Drai because teams started respecting Letestu's shot. All the good PPs have that guy, do the Oilers? Pulju could be that guy but he's still too raw to be counted on so I wonder who they slot there next season.

Looking at their PP shot heatmap from this season (see here) and compare it to last year where you can see they got the bulk of their shots from the killzone in front, while this year they were kept completely to the edges. Not sure if that's a personnel issue or a systems issue, but I'm inclined to think it's a bit of both. There's simply not enough good players to go around so if you key on Drai and mcDavid, you've basically shut the thing down.
 
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