Greatest of our lives

[LeHab]

Pantani has never been found positive, he's not Armstrong or Indurain or (maybe) Froome.

Yes he was was found positive Pantani banned for eight months for doping | IOL Sport

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Comparing Mike Trout to the All-Time Greats

Bonds last played a decade ago and was the best offensive player ever.

 

[Neutrinos]

Bonds last played a decade ago and was the best offensive player ever.

Mike Trout has averaged 9.5 WAR from the age of 20 - 25

Bonds didn't have his first season above 9.5 until he was 25


Bonds was absolutely amazing, but he didn't become God-like until after he had started using PED's

As far as we know, Trout is playing clean

 

[bambamcam4ever]

Mike Trout has averaged 9.5 WAR from the age of 20 - 25

Bonds didn't have his first season above 9.5 until he was 25


Bonds was absolutely amazing, but he didn't become God-like until after he had started using PED's

As far as we know, Trout is playing clean

I seriously doubt Trout has ever been clean in his MLB career. Odds are a majority of elite players today are still using some form of performance enhancer, and Trout's unnaturally large neck is not doing him any favors either. I don't care or hold it against anyone, but it's not safe to just assume a player is clean just because they haven't been linked to PED usage.

1) To me, it looks like Trout's average WAR was more like 9.0 or 9.1.

2) WAR is a good example of how a stat that works for the majority does not always do so at the extremes. Barry Bonds was intentionally walked 688 times. According to at least one of the WAR calculations, those PAs did not provide any value to his team. Using a little common sense, it would seem that WAR is not perfect especially when defensive metrics are still very flawed and often contradictory with one another.

 

[Neutrinos]

I seriously doubt Trout has ever been clean in his MLB career. Odds are a majority of elite players today are still using some form of performance enhancer, and Trout's unnaturally large neck is not doing him any favors either. I don't care or hold it against anyone, but it's not safe to just assume a player is clean just because they haven't been linked to PED usage.

1) To me, it looks like Trout's average WAR was more like 9.0 or 9.1.

2) WAR is a good example of how a stat that works for the majority does not always do so at the extremes. Barry Bonds was intentionally walked 688 times. According to at least one of the WAR calculations, those PAs did not provide any value to his team. Using a little common sense, it would seem that WAR is not perfect especially when defensive metrics are still very flawed and often contradictory with one another.

I was careful to say 'as far as we know, Trout is clean', because, yeah, we don't know for sure. And he certainly has some suspect physical features

The average 9.5 WAR came from Baseball Reference, but it may have been his average WAR over 162 games

 

[Summer Rose]

Someone mentioned Donald Bradman earlier in regards to cricket. I guess he must be really old?

The greatest batsmen I've seen in my life in cricket are none other than Ricky Ponting and Sachin Tendulkar. As for bowlers, I have to go with Shane Warne.

 

[Evilo]

Sergei Bubka
Javier Sotomayor
Nikola Karabatic
Mike Tyson (?)
Teddy Riner
Lionel Messi
Roger Federer

 

[Evilo]

Also
Jonathan Edwards
Mike Powell
Michael Phelps
Michael Schumacher
Valentino Rossi

 

[Evilo]

Kelly Slater
Jack Niklaus
Eddy Merckx (lol at Pantani)

 

[Fighter]

Yes he was was found positive Pantani banned for eight months for doping | IOL Sport

Iffy, actually Pantani was disqualified from that Giro because he's blood test was over the limit if I recall correctly, not because of doping. Of course in that era pretty much everybody was using doping, but Pantani is no Armstrong and he was never really caught.

 

[Ivan13]

Sergei Bubka
Javier Sotomayor
Nikola Karabatic
Mike Tyson (?)
Teddy Riner
Lionel Messi
Roger Federer

Karabatic can't hold Wislander's, Balic's and Omeyer's jock.

 

[Morozov]

Someone mentioned Donald Bradman earlier in regards to cricket. I guess he must be really old?

The greatest batsmen I've seen in my life in cricket are none other than Ricky Ponting and Sachin Tendulkar. As for bowlers, I have to go with Shane Warne.

He is really old, he also averaged 99 which Sachin was not even close to touching Or Ponting for that matter.

There's a reason Aussies were hyping Smith as the best batsman since Bradman.

 

[YNWA14]

Tyson for boxing? Yikes, no.

Too hard to name just one probably but if we were picking someone it'd probably have to be Roy Jones Jr. or Floyd Mayweather Jr.

As far as I'm concerned RJJ at his peak was the best of all time, let alone this generation. A complete freak.

 

[Panteras]

Fedor Emilianenko

 

[Tkachuk4MVP]

I'm fairly confident in saying that we won't ever see a better golfer in our lifetimes than peak Tiger.

 

[Jack Straw]

Alexandr Karelin. Aleksandr Karelin - Wikipedia

 

[Maestro84]

Hockey- Mario Lemieux (Gretzky was already a bit older by the time I really began watching hockey seriously); followed by Jagr and Crosby
Basketball- Michael Jordan; followed by LeBron and Kobe
Baseball- Ken Griffey Jr; followed by Bonds, Pujols, Ichiro and Trout
Football- Tom Brady; followed by Manning and Rodgers
Tennis- Roger Federer (men's) and Serena Williams (women's); followed by Nadal and Graf in men's and women's, respectively
Soccer- Leo Messi; followed by both Ronaldo's, Zidane, Ronaldinho and the whole 2008-12 Spain squad
Swimming- Michael Phelps; followed by Lochte
Track- Usain Bolt; followed by Carl Lewis and Yohan Blake (and Donovan Bailey via my Canadian bias)
Golf- Tiger Woods; no one's even remotely close following big cat as I never watched Jack, Arnold, etc.
Boxing- Mayweather; followed by maybe Tyson but I didn't get to watch a whole lot of him tbh

 

[Eisen]

When it comes to Cricket Don Bradman is the most statistically dominant player and it is not close.

In fact you'd find it hard to find a more dominant player in any team sport than Bradman.

In Rugby the now retired Richie McCaw is going to be difficult to surpass.

Nope, google it, there are quite a few up there.
Bradman was during your lifetime?

 

[Eisen]

Ole Einar Bjørndalen - "The King of Biathlon"

Fourcade might take him. I don't like it (because I love Björndalen) but he might.

 

[Morozov]

Nope, google it, there are quite a few up there.
Bradman was during your lifetime?

No there really aren't quite a few up there. Google it.

Did Don Bradman’s cricketing genius make him a statistical outlier? | StatsLife

Athlete	Sport	Statistic	Standard deviations
Bradman	Cricket	Batting average	4.4
Pelé	Association football	Goals per game	3.7
Ty Cobb	Baseball	Batting average	3.6
Jack Nicklaus	Golf	Major titles	3.5
Michael Jordan	Basketball	Points per game	3.4

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Unless you actually understand Cricket, and I'm 99% sure you don't, you have no idea how significantly far beyond anyone else he is. For somebody to basically average a century is unfathomable and nobody else is even remotely close. There is no Mario or Orr level of close.

Go ahead and name these quite a few, this should be gold. "quite a few" statistically better in team sports than Bradman. I'll wait.

 

[Eisen]

No there really aren't quite a few up there. Google it.

Did Don Bradman’s cricketing genius make him a statistical outlier? | StatsLife

Athlete	Sport	Statistic	Standard deviations
Bradman	Cricket	Batting average	4.4
Pelé	Association football	Goals per game	3.7
Ty Cobb	Baseball	Batting average	3.6
Jack Nicklaus	Golf	Major titles	3.5
Michael Jordan	Basketball	Points per game	3.4

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Unless you actually understand Cricket, and I'm 99% sure you don't, you have no idea how significantly far beyond anyone else he is. For somebody to basically average a century is unfathomable and nobody else is even remotely close. There is no Mario or Orr level of close.

Go ahead and name these quite a few, this should be gold. "quite a few" statistically better in team sports than Bradman. I'll wait.

There is Jahangir Khan, a squash player, who was unbeaten for an incredible 555 games in a row, there is Karelin, who has a record of 887-2, Edwin Moses went undefeated from 1975 to 1987, for instance.

 

[Jack Straw]

There is Jahangir Khan, a squash player, who was unbeaten for an incredible 555 games in a row, there is Karelin, who has a record of 887-2, Edwin Moses went undefeated from 1975 to 1987, for instance.

For my money, Moses' achievements are the most amazing. 9 years, 9 months, and 9 days without losing a race, including heats. 122 consecutive wins, and then after finally being beaten he won 10 more in a row. Maybe most impressively, he still holds the 3rd, 7th, 8th, and 9th fastest times in history. Despite having retired in 1988. Men's 400m hurdles

 

[Morozov]

There is Jahangir Khan, a squash player, who was unbeaten for an incredible 555 games in a row, there is Karelin, who has a record of 887-2, Edwin Moses went undefeated from 1975 to 1987, for instance.

I must have missed when Squash, Wrestling and Track were TEAM sports as I specified. Go back and try again.

 

[Eisen]

I must have missed when Squash, Wrestling and Track were TEAM sports as I specified. Go back and try again.

Oh, you play that game. I must have missed where Bradman was during our lifetime. Go back again.
The OP specified that but didn't specify TEAM sports.

 

[Morozov]

Oh, you play that game. I must have missed where Bradman was during our lifetime. Go back again.
The OP specified that but didn't specify TEAM sports.

My post you responded to specifically said team sport. So, again, try again.