Prospect Info: Grand Rapids Griffins 2019-2020 Part Deux

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Does missing on Necas hurt? Of course, but at this point I don't see what players who were drafted even before him like Glass, Andersson, and Middlestat have done to outperform him. He wasn't the ideal pick, but relative to the draft, he's been fine. Probably a bit above average.

Based on what we saw last year, I think it's a safe bet Ras becomes at least a 20 goal guy as a PP specialist. I doubt Andersson will have 20 goals in his career at this point.

I would look at little closer at Glass if I were you. He is buried right now on the depth of Vegas but he looks like he is going to be a damn good player.
 
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Sure is great to have our highest draft pick in 20 years come back from injury, center the 1st line in the AHL at the age of 20, and score two goals in a game... only to have people complain about him.
 

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Sure is great to have our highest draft pick in 20 years come back from injury, center the 1st line in the AHL at the age of 20, and score two goals in a game... only to have people complain about him.

Should have drafted NECAS or VILARDI ! ;)

Should have drafted some other greener grass.
 

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I'm sure the Wings plan to try him.
I just don't see it. Dude couldn't skate with the puck. Not good NHL quality.
He's a netfront guy. He's huge. He should get stronger and own board play.
Screams winger to me.

He couldnt skate with the puck when he was a 19 year old playing over his head in the NHL, thats why they have him down developing that area of his game. If he gets stronger and dominates board play it would also make him a lot more effective in the defensive zone helping the D if he plays center. At center he would have the freedom to roam the ice more and get involved in board battles on both sides of the ice as well as being really heavy and strong in a shut down role.

I agree he looked more like a winger last year for sure. But one season in the NHL where youre young and over your head doesnt mean the wings shouldnt try to work him at center. Worst case, it doesnt work out but he becomes even more well rounded, better at carrying the puck and then moves back to winger with a better skill set and still dominates board battles
 

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He couldnt skate with the puck when he was a 19 year old playing over his head in the NHL, thats why they have him down developing that area of his game. If he gets stronger and dominates board play it would also make him a lot more effective in the defensive zone helping the D if he plays center. At center he would have the freedom to roam the ice more and get involved in board battles on both sides of the ice as well as being really heavy and strong in a shut down role.

I agree he looked more like a winger last year for sure. But one season in the NHL where youre young and over your head doesnt mean the wings shouldnt try to work him at center. Worst case, it doesnt work out but he becomes even more well rounded, better at carrying the puck and then moves back to winger with a better skill set and still dominates board battles

This was also true in the exhibition games where Joe Veleno had no trouble skating the puck through the neutral zone and gaining the blueline.

Trying to make Rasmussen a center, with his size, with his strengths, and with his weaknesses, is a mistake.
 

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First it was Vilardi we should have taken, then Necas, eventually maybe Thomas.
It’s glaringly obvious that no matter what, the goalposts will keep shifting because people simply don’t like the style of player we took. A small, shifty guy with the same production would likely be seen in a much more favorable light around here.

Having other players you like better doesn't mean you don't want a guy to be everything he can be, and doesn't mean you can't accept him based on what he is.
 

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Having other players you like better doesn't mean you don't want a guy to be everything he can be, and doesn't mean you can't accept him based on what he is.

If this is what acceptance and support looks like I feel bad the kid if/when you all turn on him.
 
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Why feel bad for him? He doesn't know or care who the f MBH is and will make millions of dollars playing a game.

well, not so much literally feeling bad for him as calling out the notion that he is accepted and being cheered on by certain posters.
 

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The point is that Necas, Vilardi etc are drivers of play, which is what the wings need. Rasmussen will be a solid player but drafting a net front/PP presence/complimentary winger with size is a little disappointing at that draft slot. It doesn’t mean I’m not going to cheer for his success
 

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The point is that Necas, Vilardi etc are drivers of play, which is what the wings need. Rasmussen will be a solid player but drafting a net front/PP presence/complimentary winger with size is a little disappointing at that draft slot. It doesn’t mean I’m not going to cheer for his success
Love this stuff. Try to compliment him, call him a "complimentary winger".

What if, perhaps, he turns into a #1 center that can drive the play? Again, he is playing #1 center in the AHL at the age of 20.
And of course, if he's scoring 40 goals per year, does it matter that he wasn't the "type" of player that you wanted to draft at the time?
 

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The point is that Necas, Vilardi etc are drivers of play, which is what the wings need. Rasmussen will be a solid player but drafting a net front/PP presence/complimentary winger with size is a little disappointing at that draft slot. It doesn’t mean I’m not going to cheer for his success
I'd say the Wings need a whole lot of things, net front presence included. We rarely score off rebounds, tip ins and screens while constantly giving up such goals. Other teams have owned both crease areas for far too long. If Ras can fix the offensive side of that, I'll be very happy with the pick.
 

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Love this stuff. Try to compliment him, call him a "complimentary winger".

What if, perhaps, he turns into a #1 center that can drive the play? Again, he is playing #1 center in the AHL at the age of 20.
And of course, if he's scoring 40 goals per year, does it matter that he wasn't the "type" of player that you wanted to draft at the time?
Right now he does look like a complimentary winger. Do you watch him in the AHL? I’ve seen a few games and Ras puts up points because he’s impossible to move from the front of the net, but he doesn’t drive the play on his line. If he turns into that, then that would be incredible and I don’t care what “style” he plays if he’s a 1C driving the play, lol.
 
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What if, perhaps, he turns into a #1 center that can drive the play? Again, he is playing #1 center in the AHL at the age of 20.
And of course, if he's scoring 40 goals per year, does it matter that he wasn't the "type" of player that you wanted to draft at the time?
While we're indulging in pure fantasy, what if he keeps growing? He would be a helluva player at 7 feet tall. Borderline unstoppable at 8'.
 
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Should have drafted NECAS or VILARDI ! ;)

Should have drafted some other greener grass.
Rasmussen and Villardi both have scored 4 goals and 7 assists in the A this year but Ras has done it in 12 games and Vilardi needed 20 and Necas is scoring at a clip much closer to Vilardi than Ras.
 

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Right now he does look like a complimentary winger. Do you watch him in the AHL? I’ve seen a few games and Ras puts up points because he’s impossible to move from the front of the net, but he doesn’t drive the play on his line. If he turns into that, then that would be incredible and I don’t care what “style” he plays if he’s a 1C driving the play, lol.
I watched Friday's game. Ras didn't score but he was really good and was actually driving the play. Should be much better as he shakes off the rust.
 
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Rasmussen and Villardi both have scored 4 goals and 7 assists in the A this year but Ras has done it in 12 games and Vilardi needed 20 and Necas is scoring at a clip much closer to Vilardi than Ras.
One player is recovering from a potentially career-ending injury that saw him miss years of games and the other just hurt his wrist for a while. That's a ridiculous comparison.

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Necas is scoring at a clip much closer to Vilardi than Ras.
IN THE NHL
 

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Rasmussen and Villardi both have scored 4 goals and 7 assists in the A this year but Ras has done it in 12 games and Vilardi needed 20 and Necas is scoring at a clip much closer to Vilardi than Ras.
Solid point on Vilardi, but he was also injured for like an eternity. Not sure what you mean regarding Necas... he’s on pace for 50 pts with 3rd line minutes and no PP1 time on one of the best teams In the NHL right now. Not really comparable to Ras at the moment.

regarding Ras driving the play - amazing to hear that he was more impressive in his return. Would be absolutely huge for us if he can be a pivot for his line in the NHL.
 

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Right now he does look like a complimentary winger. Do you watch him in the AHL? I’ve seen a few games and Ras puts up points because he’s impossible to move from the front of the net, but he doesn’t drive the play on his line. If he turns into that, then that would be incredible and I don’t care what “style” he plays if he’s a 1C driving the play, lol.
And if he is a net front winger that scores 40 goals every year and ends his career in the hall of fame, is that still a disappointing at that draft slot?

It's a good pick if he's a good player (which, hey, he is tracking very well to be). If he's a good player we have another 15 years to find other players to compliment him.
 

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One player is recovering from a potentially career-ending injury that saw him miss years of games and the other just hurt his wrist for a while. That's a ridiculous comparison.

This post oozes bias. When you play up the injuries of one player and minimize the other you reveal your agenda. Rasmussen has continually battled injuries since being drafted missing major chunks of this season and his D+1 season.
 
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This post oozes bias. When you play up the injuries of one player and minimize the other you reveal your agenda. Rasmussen has continually battled injuries since being drafted missing major chunks of this season and his D+1 season.
You clearly don't know what Vilardi has been through. Like, now your position makes sense to me. You think their injuries are comparable. They absolutely are not.
 
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And if he is a net front winger that scores 40 goals every year and ends his career in the hall of fame, is that still a disappointing at that draft slot?

It's a good pick if he's a good player (which, hey, he is tracking very well to be). If he's a good player we have another 15 years to find other players to compliment him.
I don’t know why you’re making ridiculous strawmen arguments and acting like I/others are arguing these things. If Rasmussen becomes a player that scores 40 goals every year he will be one of, if not the best, goal scorers in the NHL and I will be absolutely over the moon ecstatic and eat crow till the day I die. It’s just that he did not seem like he had anywhere near that potential at draft day and from every game I have seen him play has not thus far shown me that he has anywhere near that potential.

Therefore as of now I really do wish we took what was the clear superior choice to me at the time in Necas. I am very happy for the kid to start being more of a scorer/play driver and prove me wrong.
 

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You clearly don't know what Vilardi has been through. Like, now your position makes sense to me. You think their injuries are comparable. They absolutely are not.

Im informed on Valardi's situation but you missed the point. They have had different injuries that have impacted their development differently. But make not mistake, BOTH have had their development impacted by injuries.

To minimize Rasmussen's post draft experience as "just hurt" is way off the mark. He has missed significant chunks of time over multiple season which is going to directly impact his development. To afford Valardi extra time and consideration for his injuries and not Rasmussen is a bias and shows your agenda.

When posters are asking him to be a line driver, how can multiple, significant wrist injuries not impact his ability to develop that portion of his game? You need to work on puck control and IQ to improve in this regard. How the f*** can you expect him to do that when he can't hold a hockey stick?
 
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Im informed on Valardi's situation but you missed the point. They have had different injuries that have impacted their development differently. But make not mistake, BOTH have had their development impacted by injuries.
This reminds me of a famous quotation: "Tragedy is when I cut my finger. Comedy is when you fall into an open sewer and die." Rasmussen here being the cut finger and Vilardi being falling in the open sewer.
 
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