Speculation: Grades so far?

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  1. Nordic*

    Nordic* Registered User

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    *****
    Turris


    ****
    MacArthur
    Ryan
    Smith (yeah, I'm serious)
    Lehner


    ***
    Spezza
    Karlsson
    Zibanejad
    Corvo
    Borowiecki
    Methot
    Conacher
    Grant
    Anderson


    **
    Wiercioch
    Phillips
    Michalek
    Cowen
    Neil
    Condra
    Greening
    Pageau
    Gryba
    Da Costa

    *
    Kassian

    What do you think?
     
  2. Day Man

    Day Man Fighter of the night man, master of the sun

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    spot on move ryan, spez, and macarthur up a spot and put MaClean with his but buddy Kassian. and move Andy down.
     
  3. NyQuil

    NyQuil Not Steve Yzerman

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    *****
    Turris
    Ryan

    ****
    MacArthur
    Lehner

    ***
    Spezza
    Karlsson
    Zibanejad
    Corvo
    Borowiecki
    Methot
    Grant
    Anderson
    Smith

    **
    Conacher
    Wiercioch
    Phillips
    Michalek
    Cowen
    Condra
    Pageau
    Gryba
    Da Costa

    *
    Greening
    Kassian
    Neil
     
  4. Stylizer1

    Stylizer1 HatTrick Swayze

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    :nod:
     
  5. Tampacuseforever

    Tampacuseforever Registered User

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    Actually looks good to me as well :)
     
  6. NyQuil

    NyQuil Not Steve Yzerman

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    I'm tempted to move all of our defence except for Karlsson to two stars (and EK gets a pass because of his offensive contribution) but I think the forwards bear no small amount of responsibility for the mess in our own zone.
     
  7. Nordic*

    Nordic* Registered User

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    Yes, Karlsson got three stars due to offensive output and the fact that he totally took over and dominated some periods/games. On other nights he's looked totally uninterested and lacked effort - losing more pucks than the rest of the team combined.
     
  8. NyQuil

    NyQuil Not Steve Yzerman

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    The fact that he's at a PPG and at three stars really says it all. ;)
     
  9. Benjamin

    Benjamin Differently Financed

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    *****
    Turris
    Ryan

    ****
    MacArthur
    Smith~
    Lehner

    ***
    Spezza~
    Karlsson
    Zibanejad
    Corvo
    Borowiecki
    Methot
    Conacher
    Grant
    Anderson
    Condra~

    **
    Wiercioch
    Phillips~
    Michalek
    Cowen~
    Pageau
    Gryba

    *
    Kassian
    Greening
    Neil
    Da Costa

    ~ = close to dropping a level.
     
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  10. YNWA14

    YNWA14 You'll Never Walk Alone

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  11. DrunkUncleDenis

    DrunkUncleDenis Moderator

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    Why is Kassian one *? It's not his fault the coach dresses him. He plays his role and is otherwise useless. He does a good job whenever he engages in a fight, and he hasn't been totally horrendous with(out) the puck. He makes the simple play. His +/- is 0. He should be at LEAST **.
     
  12. NyQuil

    NyQuil Not Steve Yzerman

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    1 star is a compliment to him. In my mind, it represents the pinnacle of his play.

    He's not a hockey player so he's not going to get 3 or 4 or 5 stars.
     
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    Basically this but (not sure if you had any order to it) I would have Conacher at the bottom of the two stars. MAYBE even below Greening but that's definitely pushing it.
     
  14. NyQuil

    NyQuil Not Steve Yzerman

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    I've liked Conacher's energy at times but his execution has been pretty poor.

    Whereas, Greening has no energy and no execution.

    To your question though, there is no order within ranks.
     
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    Conacher's size makes him easier to play against. He's not intimidating, has a short stick/reach, has to use more effort and he can't maintain it.

    Greening is lacking toughness. To soft on the forecheck. He needs anger.
     
  16. BigBush*

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    Lehner should be in that top group, he's been the best sens on the ice in all the games he's played pretty much
     
  17. Smeddy

    Smeddy Intangibles

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    Agreed with the general consensus here, I would have Karlsson a half star higher than Spezza though.
     
  18. NyQuil

    NyQuil Not Steve Yzerman

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    I think Karlsson has been more dynamic offensively on a consistent basis but has also committed more defensive gaffes.

    You make a good point.

    Small sample size I guess.
     
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    The star system is weird and not accurate enough. Why not the traditional A+ to F.

    Ryan A+
    Turris A
    Lehner A

    MacArthur B+
    Karlsson B+
    Cowen D+
    Anderson B-
    Michalek C-

    etc...
     
  20. NyQuil

    NyQuil Not Steve Yzerman

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    A
    Turris
    Ryan

    B
    MacArthur
    Lehner

    C
    Spezza
    Karlsson
    Zibanejad
    Corvo
    Borowiecki
    Methot
    Grant
    Anderson
    Smith

    D
    Conacher
    Wiercioch
    Phillips
    Michalek
    Cowen
    Condra
    Pageau
    Gryba
    Da Costa

    F
    Greening
    Kassian
    Neil

    ;)

    Just yanking your chain.

    Personally, I don't mind it because the thought of arguing endlessly over whether someone should be a C- or a D+ just tires me out.
     
  21. Nordic*

    Nordic* Registered User

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    It will never be accurate to begin with.

    With your logic it would be for the best to have a range of like 1-1000.


    Turris = 926

    Kassian = 115



    Good enough?
     
  22. Xspyrit

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    lol why so much hate on Kassian? He plays 3:51 mins a game and within his goon capabilities.

    He has been on the ice for a whooping 1 goal against so far this year!

    http://www.nhl.com/ice/playerstats....SALL&sort=teamGoalsAgainst&viewName=plusMinus

    Blame Kassian! :laugh:

    But 9 minutes earlier you said you were not a Sens fan anymore? Why are you still here? Honest question

     
  23. NyQuil

    NyQuil Not Steve Yzerman

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    Well, the best he can hope for is (null).

    And his spot keeps someone else out of the line-up.

    And his lack of icetime can influence the icetime of his linemates.

    And this can mean that Neil and Greening have to play more.
     
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    A+ Lehner

    A Turris
    Ryan

    B Spezza
    Karlsson
    MacArthur

    B- Methot
    Gryba
    Smith
    Conacher
    Zibanejad

    C Borowiecki
    Michalek

    C- Corvo
    Phillips
    Wiercioch
    Neil
    Condra
    Grant


    D Anderson
    Cowen
    Kassian
    Greening
     
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    A+
    Lehner - best goalie in league in his limited time as starter, should be the #1 goaltender until he slows down

    A
    Turris - taken his game to a new level offensively and defensively, emerging as a leader on this team
    MacArthur - constantly driving the play, awesome possession player, perfect linemate for Turris
    Ryan - could be more intense and more consistent at times, but hard to argue with his production

    B+
    Smith - bad start to the year, but has been amazing in recent games; a level above his linemates on more than one occasion

    B
    Grant - been a key member of the PK since Condra went down, proven he has a future here in Ottawa
    Methot - hasn't been the stalwart he was last season, but still has been effective defensively and has scored a couple key goals
    Borowiecki - has been pretty solid so far, and his breakout pass is much better than last year - has an NHL future ahead of him no question

    B-
    Karlsson - still not playing to his potential, has produced offensively but needs to more consistent offensively and defensively
    Corvo - hasn't been "uh-oh" bad defensively, and has produced without getting time on the powerplay (oh MacLean :shakehead)

    C+
    Zibanejad - was great the first couple games since being called up, but hasn't been good since then, needs more effort and intensity
    Conacher - has done nothing offensively or defensively, but I do love his effort - consistently working his *** off

    C
    Spezza - one game he'll score a hattrick, the next he'll look like he's skating in mud, has been lazy and rather ineffective thus far

    C-
    Gryba - hasn't been physical or tough to play against, has given the puck away far too much, needs to be better
    Kassian - stills sucks at hockey, hasn't done much to hurt the team so this is where I'll leave his grade
    Michalek - this guy has completely forgotten how to play hockey, he loses every battle, can't handle the puck and is completely useless

    D
    Greening - has done nothing since getting his contract, should be benched and if it continues trade his ass
    Anderson - has given up a 2-0 lead to the oppositon in 7 out of his 11 starts, which is beyond awful, needs to be better
    Cowen - has proven he has nothing in terms of hockey sense, has been pathetic and should be sent down
    Neil - forgot how to play hockey, is no more than a waste of a roster spot at this point, strip his A and give it to Ryan/Turris/EK
    Phillips - see above, guys a giveaway machine, and has no idea how to play defense, strip his A and give it to Ryan/Turris/EK
    Wiercioch - taken a big step back this year, isn't moving the puck well and has been laughable defensively, needs to simplify his game

    Overall most players have been pretty bad, and almost all the defensemen have disappointed. Have to wonder if it has more to do with the system than a collective slump by the players.
     

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