Boston Bruins Grade the Bruins Deadline

[kjpm]

Jury is still out for me to early,Yeah the team is winning,but they were winning before the new guys were brought in.Stats wise ,I believe 1 assist between the two of them so far,only been 3 games so way to early to make a judgement for me.Debrusk is definitely playing better,but that had started before the player movement.Third line has looked better with Coyle ,but so far don’t believe any points.So like I said two early to tell,and can’t say because the Bruins are winning it’s because of the new guys,because they have been winning before that.

Agreed that it's too early to truly judge, but the team play with Coyle and Johansson is night and day compared to before they had those guys. The individual points aren't there quite yet, no, but they've completely rejuvenated the middle of the lineup.

Coyle has practically single-handedly generated about four or five great scoring chances already. He eats up big minutes, plays a very solid two way game, and is a puck possession monster in the offensive zone. The third line is reliable and competitive for the first time all season. He would easily have a few points if he had legitimate wingers to play with. Nordstrom and Backes are decent defensively but just can't cut it offensively. Coyle has been dragging that line up ever since he arrived. Can't wait to see what he does with some talent on his wing when Pastrnak gets back, whether Cassidy moves Heinen down or some other combo. I think Cehlarik in Nordstrom's spot will help as well. He meshed pretty well in that spot in Coyle's first game, despite a bad giveaway that eventually lead to a goal against.

Johansson's looked great with Krejci. That tic-tac-toe passing play with DeBrusk and Krejci was a thing of beauty. His zone entries are a huge part of what that line was missing and they're now generating tons of pressure and scoring chances. His two-way game, like Coyle, is a perfect fit for Cassidy's system.

The value both these guys brings goes well beyond points. I think the points will come as they settle into their roles, but even without getting on the board they're doing great and contributing. It's no coincidence that the Bruins have dominated both San Jose and Tampa Bay with these two in the lineup.

Anyway, I gave Sweeney a B+ originally and I'll stick with it now. If anything I'd go a bit higher so far, but the sample size is obviously pretty small at the moment.

 

[TwineTickler]

Well it looks like I was super right to pound my fist in support of Johansson.

And it looks like I'm dead wrong about his inability to play on the right side.

Haha, what he said the other night after the game is pretty true. If there is chemistry on the line, guys just kinda play all over. Since Jake has played the offside too, it seems like that line is pretty in sync and just make sure they have proper spacing etc, but yea... my initial reaction if you look back to the trade deadline thread was "ugh, marcus johansson? thats it?" or something to that effect... but that's before I really looked into the player. As soon as I watched some video I was on board, and therefore gave Sweens a B grade. Also said anyone giving him anything less than a B- is ridiculous... and hopefully those that did are starting to see that they are ridiculous for giving that grade. Very good deadline for Donny.

 

[Bruinfanatic]

Agreed that it's too early to truly judge, but the team play with Coyle and Johansson is night and day compared to before they had those guys. The individual points aren't there quite yet, no, but they've completely rejuvenated the middle of the lineup.

Coyle has practically single-handedly generated about four or five great scoring chances already. He eats up big minutes, plays a very solid two way game, and is a puck possession monster in the offensive zone. The third line is reliable and competitive for the first time all season. He would easily have a few points if he had legitimate wingers to play with. Nordstrom and Backes are decent defensively but just can't cut it offensively. Coyle has been dragging that line up ever since he arrived. Can't wait to see what he does with some talent on his wing when Pastrnak gets back, whether Cassidy moves Heinen down or some other combo. I think Cehlarik in Nordstrom's spot will help as well. He meshed pretty well in that spot in Coyle's first game, despite a bad giveaway that eventually lead to a goal against.

Johansson's looked great with Krejci. That tic-tac-toe passing play with DeBrusk and Krejci was a thing of beauty. His zone entries are a huge part of what that line was missing and they're now generating tons of pressure and scoring chances. His two-way game, like Coyle, is a perfect fit for Cassidy's system.

The value both these guys brings goes well beyond points. I think the points will come as they settle into their roles, but even without getting on the board they're doing great and contributing. It's no coincidence that the Bruins have dominated both San Jose and Tampa Bay with these two in the lineup.

Anyway, I gave Sweeney a B+ originally and I'll stick with it now. If anything I'd go a bit higher so far, but the sample size is obviously pretty small at the moment.

Definitely a lot of things I have liked a lot also,definitely like Cehlarik more than Nordstrom,it’s too bad Pasta is out ,Hopefully every one will get and satay healthy,so they get some time to experiment with lines before playoffs,although I’m sure that’s not really being realistic unfortunately.

 

[TwineTickler]

Donato: 4 GA, 6 points
Coyle : 4 GA, 0 points

Still too early to assess value.

Majo for 2nd and future 4th: looks good so far.

It's not too early. Coyle for Donato is a great trade. Coyle may not have any points, but he adds size, speed, skill and he's playing with a guy who hasn't had a single point in 20 games, and David Backes who carries a piano around on his back.. and we have him next year as well. 3rd C problem eliminated.

Donato meanwhile is getting top PP time etc... and I assume he will start to come back to earth a bit... however, regardless of what he does, it's a good trade and a smart trade by Donny.

 

[kjpm]

Definitely a lot of things I have liked a lot also,definitely like Cehlarik more than Nordstrom,it’s too bad Pasta is out ,Hopefully every one will get and satay healthy,so they get some time to experiment with lines before playoffs,although I’m sure that’s not really being realistic unfortunately.

Yeah, too bad about the Pasta injury. It would have been nice to get the third line figured out now and let it build some chemistry before the playoffs. On the plus side, at least he'll be well rested when he gets back I guess? Haha

 

[Mainehockey33]

It's not too early. Coyle for Donato is a great trade. Coyle may not have any points, but he adds size, speed, skill and he's playing with a guy who hasn't had a single point in 20 games, and David Backes who carries a piano around on his back.. and we have him next year as well. 3rd C problem eliminated.

Donato meanwhile is getting top PP time etc... and I assume he will start to come back to earth a bit... however, regardless of what he does, it's a good trade and a smart trade by Donny.

Wheeler had 17 points in 23 games after being traded to Atlanta. If Donato has that strong of a finish I’ll be impressed but still like the trade.

These players are traded and given opportunities they wouldn’t have had if they stayed with the Bruins. Vatrano is the same. I still think Coyle is a better player and better for the Bruins.

 

[ODAAT]

Donato: 4 GA, 6 points
Coyle : 4 GA, 0 points

Still too early to assess value.

Majo for 2nd and future 4th: looks good so far.

Hardly a shock Donato putting up pts, not playing for a coach who`s never seen a whiteboard he liked to draw up a play and put an actual system in place, it`s perfect for Donato who I think is likely best served playing for a coach like that rather than one who would demand effort and focus in all 3 zones

 

[Chief Nine]

Well maybe you saved Donato as one of the pieces to send for a top 6 RW. At the same time this likely should have been addressed in the offseason before this year.

And we now can be pretty sure that the price for that top 6 wing would have cost Donato and maybe Grzelcyk, or Heinen, or maybe even Carlo plus picks. Sweeney did very well getting Coyle for Donato and that conditional pick. Solid move without compromising the roster or future and a good trade for both teams

 

[ODAAT]

And we now can be pretty sure that the price for that top 6 wing would have cost Donato and maybe Grzelcyk, or Heinen, or maybe even Carlo plus picks. Sweeney did very well getting Coyle for Donato and that conditional pick. Solid move without compromising the roster or future and a good trade for both teams

exactly and it`s kind of what he said he wanted to do or try to avoid. He and his crew have done well stocking up the prospect cupboard. I`ve always been a believer that proper development of the prospects are a must to success for an organization in a cap era (Dr Obvious statement there) and their value lies in a few places, they develop then get promoted and play for their draft team or they establish interest in other teams and can be used as part of a deal to help fill a need. Donato is an example of that IMO

 

[arider1990]

Donato: 4 GA, 6 points
Coyle : 4 GA, 0 points

Still too early to assess value.

Majo for 2nd and future 4th: looks good so far.

Are you talking about Goals Against or Games Played because neither stat is correct.

 

[Mr. Make-Believe]

Are you talking about Goals Against or Games Played because neither stat is correct.

Okay so Coyle has played one fewer game.

Everything else is correct.

 

[KnightofBoston]

Think I’d like to up my grade to a B


It’s not about points, it’s about overall effect on the team. this team looks different after those additions and I think they won’t be going down without a fight


This team reminds me of a hybrid between our 2010 and 2011 team. The scrappy guys that beat buffalo and the guys that won it all. We’ll see what kind of team shows up this spring


I also don’t see the point in stat watching with guys like Donato. If he suddenly turns into a good player that puts up points AND plays a complete game (haven’t seen it yet) then great, good for him, and good for don Sweeney drafting these guys and stockpiling our farm with assets. We finally have a team that has a complete roster and the pieces to make it better. You can keep everyone in a box and Donato wasn’t helping THIS team, if he helps Minny then great, no use crying about it, he happy that this is where we are at


It always amazes me...year after year we whine about needing to make trades but we never want to give up anything of value. Sweeney just gave up someone that wasn’t helping this club and got someone who changed the dynamic of the bottom six. Literally the best of both worlds. And if Minny is happy great, that will end up creating better opportunities for trades later...and less chances for gm’s To try to bend Sweeney over a barrel...as it seemed we were heading for a minute there

 

[Alberta_OReilly_Fan]

im usually quite amused by the snap decesions/changes of opinion many here make. noel accari scores 2 points in a game and suddenly hes superman. halak plays 4 good games and he should be the playoff starter. cehlarik gets a point in his first game and should have been here all year long.

I mean ryan donato had 9 points last year and we all saw he had tools. but this game is more complex than a 3-5-even-10 game hot streak. and theres more to it than who can get in on a scoring play.

theres 23 pieces on an nhl roster and over the course of a year most will play an important part in a teams success. every one you can improve will help the team. not every single one needs to produce offense but as a group they must produce more offense than the other team does. you either score more goals yourself or you allow less.

I am not sure we put together the right mix of players that will win at playoff time... but I am sure I like our chances better today than I did 2 weeks ago. will I miss ryan donato in the future? im sure no more than I have missed joe thornton/phil kessel/tyler seguin. all 3 of those guys continue to rip it up and we don't have a single player from any of those trades still in our lineup. but we still have a team competing for a cup this year so life goes on

those trades might have not worked out much on todays current team... but what about the barry Pederson trade? that one still helps us to this day

you CANT grade trades a day later/a week later/even a month later unless the trade was intentionally aimed at being a rental. if mojo is ONLY here for the rest of the year than we can judge the trade immediately.

did people want more rental deals? seems most of you said stay away from rentals... don't overpay... that's what I heard.

we DIDNT overpay

coyle will be here for another season... donato will be around for another year too at minimum. Lets give these guys more than a week before we judge the trade.

I have a greater hope that coyle will play a prominent role on this team than I had for donato. honestly I didn't see donato playing ahead of marchand/debrusk and it was debatable he would play ahead of Bjork/Heinen. he was in tough here. we dealt from a position of strength. we addressed a position of need.

I anticipate one of federic/studnicka/karlsson will be ready for nhl action next year. now we have a pretty decent 2-way big body rw to put on the line with one of these kids. can help a lot having 2 centers on the same line when one is a raw rookie kid.

and the way senyshyn is developing we can pencil him in 3rd line in 2021-2022 when coyle becomes an ufa and moves on.

we filled a hole with a guy that fit the hole. plays our 3rd line center until a kid takes over... moves to 3rd line rw until another kid takes over... does it at an affordable cap hit and makes the 3rd line much more dangerous than its been for a few years

donato wasn't going to do any of that... he might score 40-45-even 50 points since hes a talented shooter but he wasn't going to play ahead of marchand/debrusk and he didn't fit our 3rd line

 

[774EVER]

I'm still wondering id Johansson was Sweeney's Plan B (with him losing out on Stone) all along. Or was Mojo plan C, D...

Just curious about who else Sweeney targeting for the 2nd line.

 

[The don godfather]

I'm still wondering id Johansson was Sweeney's Plan B (with him losing out on Stone) all along. Or was Mojo plan C, D...

Just curious about who else Sweeney targeting for the 2nd line.

he wanted nyquist and he went for sunny cali I believe and Donny circled back to marcus.

 

[Gee Wally]

I'm still wondering id Johansson was Sweeney's Plan B (with him losing out on Stone) all along. Or was Mojo plan C, D...

Just curious about who else Sweeney targeting for the 2nd line.

Kreider/Hayes...

But the Rangers wanted Charlie Mc.

 

[Ratty]

It's not too early. Coyle for Donato is a great trade. Coyle may not have any points, but he adds size, speed, skill and he's playing with a guy who hasn't had a single point in 20 games, and DavBackes who carries a piano around on his back.. and we have him next year as well. 3rd C problem eliminated.

Donato meanwhile is getting top PP time etc... and I assume he will start to come back to earth a bit... however, regardless of what he does, it's a good trade and a smart trade by Donny.

So you make a judgement after 4-6 games? Like giving a report card to a kid after his first week of school and a few quizzes.

 

[GordonHowe]

What does this have to do with GRADING THE DEADLINE?

Would it kill people to not infect every single thread with 2015 draft whining?

Would it kill you to know the meaning of the word "context"? Or do you evaluate management decisions in a vacuum? Go back to sleep.

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Would it kill you to know the meaning of the word "context"? Or do you evaluate management decisions in a vacuum? Go back to sleep.

Clearly you need to take your own advice. There's literally a thread to bitch about past picks, drafts, etc.

You're in the 2019 TDL Grade thread bringing up 2015 draftees. f*** context. It has nothing to do with this topic so get it out of here.

 

[TwineTickler]

So you make a judgement after 4-6 games? Like giving a report card to a kid after his first week of school and a few quizzes.

When you know, you know. Donato scores again tonight... doesn't matter. It's a good move.

 

[prizminferno]

Horrible goal by Mike Smith, jesus. If Rask let that in... the melt downs..

 

[The don godfather]

When you know, you know. Donato scores again tonight... doesn't matter. It's a good move.

It's ok coyle has given us depth and a better chance to win come playoff time. No way donato could be our 3c against the leafs . We need someone heavy and to play those tough minutes and Coyle fits the bill.

 

[remer]

Interesting to see how some of the players are doing since the trade. Just some of the forward names that were tossed around and how they are doing as we come close to the end of the regular season:
Donato- 16 points
Hayes- 11
Stone- 10
Hagelin- 10
Dzingel- 9
Nyquist- 8
Fiala- 7
Hatman- 5
Coyle-5
Granlund-4
Brassard-4
Spooner-3
Simmonds-2
Johansson-1

 

[BruinsFanSince94]

Interesting to see how some of the players are doing since the trade. Just some of the forward names that were tossed around and how they are doing as we come close to the end of the regular season:
Donato- 16 points
Hayes- 11
Stone- 10
Hagelin- 10
Dzingel- 9
Nyquist- 8
Fiala- 7
Hatman- 5
Coyle-5
Granlund-4
Brassard-4
Spooner-3
Simmonds-2
Johansson-1

Lol.... The agenda with this post can be smelt from Boston to LA.

 

[RedeyeRocketeer]

Wow Donato really has 16? insane.