Confirmed with Link: Grabner to Devils for 2nd rounder and Rykov

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  1. Call Me Al

    Call Me Al Registered User

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    the point of the grabner trade was to help make the playoffs. he played a crucial role in having an EXCELLENT pk down the stretch, and we needed every point that we got. who knows what would have happened if we gave up just 2 more pp goals in the last 15 games?

    still happy we made the trade, not at all worried about losing a 2nd now when we have abundant future assets and rykov is a complete question mark
     
  2. MartyOwns

    MartyOwns i’ll ask daneyko

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    oh come on. here's a list of our forwards at the time of the deal:

    Bratt
    Gibbons
    Hall
    Johansson
    Wood
    Boyle
    Coleman
    Hischier
    Zacha
    Zajac
    Hayes
    Noesen
    Palmieri
    Stafford
    Maroon (eventually)

    15 players up for 12 spots, all of whom who have contributed more than grabner (except hayes). we could have called up JQ, hung onto our draft pick and rykov, and been relatively the same. grabner is nice to have on the PK...that's about it. that's quite a price for a couple of months of penalty killing.

    honestly, were you sitting there the day before the deadline and saying 'this team can go deep...we just need to fill our glaring need at wing'?
     
  3. Call Me Al

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    at the time of the trade the team was entirely dependent on hall scoring, we needed depth and grabner was a 30 goal scorer that was available. it didn't shake out that way but let's not revise history to say that all 4 lines were clicking and producing at the trade deadline
     
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    Grabner is unquestionably better than Stafford and Hayes, that much shouldn't be debated

    We also did not know whether or not Johansson would be back this season (And still don't at this point)

    Bratt has also hit the rookie wall and hasnt done much in weeks (which is fine/to be expected)


    We absolutely needed an upgrade at wing and Maroon and Grabner have provided that
     
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    If I were a betting man, I would have wagered that Grabner would have fit in and helped more than Maroon. It would have been a losing bet.
     
  6. SteveCangialosi123

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    Bratt fell off a cliff, Gibbons hasn’t scored in 30 games, and Stafford and Hayes suck donkey balls.

    Shero traded for a guy with 20 something goals, he just got cold. Your argument is incoherent, you’re suggesting Shero somehow knew he wouldn’t score when he got here.

    And we made the playoffs by like 1 point, we clearly needed every little contribution we got and probably wouldn’t have got in without Shero’s moves (mostly Maroon though).
     
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    If Grabner scores a few goals this series, especially one of his PK beauties, his regular season lack of production will be forgotten.
     
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  8. NJDevs26

    NJDevs26 Back in the playoffs! #BoyleStrong

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    We didn’t have Maroon when we traded for Grabner, MarJo hasn’t even factored in yet and nobody wanted Stafford or Hayes playing. Both trades more or less accomplished the latter in getting them out of the lineup.
     
  9. MartyOwns

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    gibbons missed like 25 games with an injury prior to the deadline lol. stafford gets more hate on here than he deserves, he's strung together a few quality games here and there. if stafford sucks donkey balls, what does that mean for grabner?

    well, hindsight being 20/20 helps. but still, adding an empty net specialist at a position of strength doesn't make a lot of sense. regardless of what shero knew/expected, it sure looks like a bad trade for us. and for the millionth time- that's ok. most trades have a winner and a loser, and in this case we lost. it's not the end of the world, and it doesn't mean we should react by flinging a lot of stuff at the wall (it was a psychological win, at least it kept our worse players scratched) and hoping something sticks.

    yeah i'm pretty confident that grabner had absolutely nothing to do with us making the playoffs lol. maroon is another story, he has exceeded expectations so far.
     
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    You’re arguing two things simultaneously. I never said the traded worked out. You’re arguing as though I’m saying Grabner has helped us so much. He hasn’t . That isn’t on Shero though. If he produced anywhere close to he did on the Rags, it would’ve been wonderful. Can’t fault Shero for that. And he can still help us in the playoffs. The trade was fine on paper and he can still help us win some playoff games.
     
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    JQ does not have Grabner's speed or any speed (Maroon is a better comparable) and does not play PK (or PP in the NHL). JQ has four career NHL points in 15 GP, zero this season in 2 GP. JQ was injured again on April 6th for the third time this season. Likely done for the season.

    Johansson has contributed less than Grabner since the trade.

    Stafford is 0-3-3 since the trade. Team went 1-1 when he was on the scoresheet, 5-4 overall since TDL. L @ SJ when he had two assists.

    Bratt is 1-1-2 since the trade, 0-2 when he was on the scoresheet.

    Gibbons is 0-3-3 since returning from injury. 2-0 when he was on the scoresheet, 9-4-1 overall.

    Grabner is 2-3 5 since the trade. Team went 4-0 when he was on the scoresheet, 13-7-1 overall. GWG @ LA.

    Boyle has identical stats since the trade minus the GWG.

    Zacha is 2-4-6 since the trade with two assists coming in the loss against Washington in the final game.
     
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    Are we still crying about Rykov?

    :facepalm:
     
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    but but but... he could be the next Urbom
     
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    is it that you don't know how to read, or you just don't want to?
     
  15. Taylor Hall

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    We have Grabner, deal with it...
     
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    JQ? He was getting scratched in Bingo and couldn’t even be a call up when we needed one. Why bother saying his name? Grabner filled a need AT THAT TIME. To say he didn’t isnt accurate.
     
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  17. MartyOwns

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    i can't believe hf doesn't make me pay a monthly subscription fee to read these kinds of insights
     
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    Hermione?

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    i was trying to think of someone that would have contributed the same amount grabner has without spending assets. JQ, pietila, our mascot...ummm. a parking lot attendant? i dont know, i'm open to suggestions
     
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    yeah this trade kind of sucks in hindsight, but based shero did what he did and the end result is we still made the playoffs on 97 points.

    let's see if grabs can make an impact in the playoffs. watch how quickly we'd forget about all of this if he were to hypothetically score a series clinching goal on a breakaway...
     
  22. Taylor Hall

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    You can spin it whichever way you want... the fact that you're complaining of a trade that happened weeks ago is just hilarious!

    You might have a point if he doesn't do jack **** in the playoffs, in the meantime, you should just be quiet and enjoy the fact that we're playing hockey when half the league is on vacation.
     
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    I have no complaints about acquiring Grabner or his play.

    As for contributing, he has been playing regular minutes on a winning team. The team's record was much worse before we got him than the fabulous record we amassed afterwards. He's produced one or two and sometimes more very high quality scoring chances a game. At least a clean breakaway every other game I'd say. A cut back for a wicked shot every second or third game. Very valuable minutes on the PK.

    And this is often playing wing with Brian Boyle for Pete's sake. He's hardly been paired with productive forwards. He's been given dog's body work except for the PK and has put his nose to the grindstone. The team has been on a wicked good streak while he's done this. What's not to like?

    People want goals and assists, I would like that too, but meanwhile I'll take chances, minutes and wins for the team.

    Great acquisition by Shero. As to next year, my only question is where Bratt plays. If we can accomodate both Grabner and Bratt playing regularly, I'd probably try to resign him.
     
  24. MartyOwns

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    ok well before i 'be quiet' let me summarize what i said, since reading is too much trouble:

    - it was a confusing trade, given our needs at the deadline
    - shero seems to have lost the trade
    - it's not a big deal because we didn't give up anything significant the other way
    - grabner hasn't done **** in NJ to this point
    - maroon has exceeded expectations

    now what exactly am i 'spinning'?
     
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    At least Grabner contributes when he's not scoring, unlike Stafford. Yeah, in retrospect it wasn't a great trade, but it made sense at the time. It was a gamble with decent odds, but so far it hasn't paid off much. Hopefully it turns around in the playoffs.
     
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