hockeyfan2k11
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Goodbye Erik Cole
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Westcoasthabsfan
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Whitesnake
If you rebuild, they will come.
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Cole will always look better than Ryder as he'll move his little feet fast, and drive the net. Yet....Ryder might finish with 2 goals while Cole will have nothing.
I do predict at least 1 goal on Cole's opening night. But a game doesn't make a year. And it CLEARLY doesn't make a trade.
I do predict at least 1 goal on Cole's opening night. But a game doesn't make a year. And it CLEARLY doesn't make a trade.
Solid first game for Cole with the Stars
No goal or assist for Cole first game with Dallas, only 1 shot, -2, 2 turnover(worst of the them equal with 2 or 3 other guy). 14:58 ice time.
Ryder was not that bad
No goal or assist for Cole first game with Dallas, only 1 shot, -2, 2 turnover(worst of the them equal with 2 or 3 other guy). 14:58 ice time.
Ryder was not that bad
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FlyingKostitsyn
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Its sad to see Cole drop so much... Kuddos to Bergevin for trading him while he has value. We got an equivalent player on an expiring contract and a draft pick. Great trade.
OneSharpMarble
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Cammy is great at eating up top minutes, getting fed all night and producing sporadically, he has not helped that team at all in any other facet of that game. If that is what you get for 6M he better keep transforming.
hockeyfan2k11
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And yet Cam has 15 points in 16 games. PPG player and you still criticize him (I believe you called him a "bum") while propping up Kaberle, Cole and any other Gauthier failure.
WeThreeKings
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Good job by the team to identify that Cole has lost the explosive step in his skating that he needs to be successful.
Ryder is a pure sniper and a RH shot which we lack. He can be cut loose at the end of the season. Giving Timmins another high pick is always a good thing.
Ryder is a pure sniper and a RH shot which we lack. He can be cut loose at the end of the season. Giving Timmins another high pick is always a good thing.
Pierre Dagenais
pissening
Wow Dave Stubbs is the biggest brownnoser ever
lol
I take it you wouldn't be happy unless he wrote a scathing piece declaring Cole was a cancer?
WhiskeySeven*
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Kimota
ROY DU NORD!!!
Yea well if we're not really contenders and we trade a player for a pick and cap space, it's a pretty arrogant move for a GM. Cause our success stood on something not very solid and you trade a core player just cause he was shaky this season. It's like the GM said: "we're so great now that we can afford trading Cole" when in fact I thought Cole was much more important than than that in my opinion. He wasn't just a depth player while for Bergevin it's a depth trade really:" we need a right shot guy for the PP". I mean that's a joke, right. Maybe 5, 10 games from now Cole would have returned on the first line. Habs are not big and physical and get even less big and physical.
Another player whoi has a positive feedback about Montreal.
Add Cammy, Hammer, Cole and a few more.
We are no longer a UFA nomans land...
ECWHSWI
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production wise, Cole and Ryder are pretty much the same. the major difference is their play style.
Playoff production...surprised no one (or barely) mentioned the major difference between RYDER and COLE. I'm a Cole fan...more than Ryder, but...this is 2013. Ryder is the better one in playoffs...and it is/should be all about the playoffs.
COLE = playoff no-show (check his playoff stats...depressing)
RYDER = has had some playoff success + Stanley Cup (he was even playing defensive hockey for Bos...hate him for it!).
p.s.: I wasn't a huge Ryder fan when he was a Hab (to be honest)...always felt he was one dimensional (ex: similar to Kessel...when not scoring he's useless,etc), but...seems like he has become a better player since he left Montreal...hope this success follows him back here in Montreal (if not...he's UFA.... win/win for us + we get a 3rd Rnd Pick...loving it...3rd rnd picks to Timmins = similar to 1st-2nd rnd picks!).
COLE = playoff no-show (check his playoff stats...depressing)
RYDER = has had some playoff success + Stanley Cup (he was even playing defensive hockey for Bos...hate him for it!).
p.s.: I wasn't a huge Ryder fan when he was a Hab (to be honest)...always felt he was one dimensional (ex: similar to Kessel...when not scoring he's useless,etc), but...seems like he has become a better player since he left Montreal...hope this success follows him back here in Montreal (if not...he's UFA.... win/win for us + we get a 3rd Rnd Pick...loving it...3rd rnd picks to Timmins = similar to 1st-2nd rnd picks!).
Always interesting to watch a rookie GM make his first moves. We all expect Kekalainen to keep all of his picks and build around development. That's pretty much his motto. Bergevin, on the other hand, is a dark horse. He learned a lot in Chicago, surrounded himself with competent men in Montreal, but he's still totally green.
I just cannot see him making the final decision on his own. In fact, I'm assuming that trade (or the consent if that exact proposal came for the Stars) might have been suggested and approved by the people around him namely Dudley, Mellanby, Carriere and Therrien. I believe Bergevin would need to make a few more transactions before being judged.
My concern about this trade is the philosophy embraced by the new management when taking over. Grit, toughness accounted for the hiring of Prust, Armstrong, Bouillon and four years of Moen. Getting rid of a power forward for a sniper not known for his physicality is a contradiction with the new culture.
Two more years at $4.5M for a power forward is not so much worse than four years at $2.5M for a 3rd-4th line energy winger. They had to think he couldn't get his game back to make this bold move.
I just cannot see him making the final decision on his own. In fact, I'm assuming that trade (or the consent if that exact proposal came for the Stars) might have been suggested and approved by the people around him namely Dudley, Mellanby, Carriere and Therrien. I believe Bergevin would need to make a few more transactions before being judged.
My concern about this trade is the philosophy embraced by the new management when taking over. Grit, toughness accounted for the hiring of Prust, Armstrong, Bouillon and four years of Moen. Getting rid of a power forward for a sniper not known for his physicality is a contradiction with the new culture.
Two more years at $4.5M for a power forward is not so much worse than four years at $2.5M for a 3rd-4th line energy winger. They had to think he couldn't get his game back to make this bold move.
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If you guys want to feel good about this trade just head on over to the dallas board. They make it sound as if we robbed the baby from the cradle! It's funny they even thought the pick was going their way lol.
If the goal is to let Ryder go at the end of the season to free up cap space then why not hang on to Cole in hopes that he turns it around. Cole could have fetched atleast a 3rd round pick at any time, maybe even a 2nd come trade deadline? Habs NEED physicality in the playoffs! Habs need to go for the cup. People are always saying how the habs are missing a few pieces and are a few years from contending but guys like Markov and Plekanec aren't getting any younger so by that time we'll be missing a few pieces again!
On the other hand it seems like Cole's head didn't seem to be in the game and seeing him completely give up on that play as he watched the other team score makes this trade a little bit easier to swallow.
If the goal is to let Ryder go at the end of the season to free up cap space then why not hang on to Cole in hopes that he turns it around. Cole could have fetched atleast a 3rd round pick at any time, maybe even a 2nd come trade deadline? Habs NEED physicality in the playoffs! Habs need to go for the cup. People are always saying how the habs are missing a few pieces and are a few years from contending but guys like Markov and Plekanec aren't getting any younger so by that time we'll be missing a few pieces again!
On the other hand it seems like Cole's head didn't seem to be in the game and seeing him completely give up on that play as he watched the other team score makes this trade a little bit easier to swallow.
Naoned
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It all depends on what Bergevin does next. If his goal is indeed to go after Perry, and he manages to sign him, he'll have opened the spot and a lot of the money he needed to make it happen. And we'll have an upgraded, more talented and meaner version of Cole.
