Good or Bad trade offer?
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AlvintheChoster
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On what team in Ryder a bonafide top player? ahahah absolute ripoff, the guy is overrating Halak as well as undervaluing Hall and Schneider.
Guy Germaine
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lol, OV, Hall and Shneid for Ryder, Halak and a 2nd...I mean Byfuglien is a joke. I've got guys in my pool like that too ,always offering mediocre players for stars.
Oh i don't know.. Dallas where he put up 35 goals in 2011? MTL where he scored 30 goals twice in back to back years? The guy can play. My point is that he's on NJs top PP unit and he's getting first line minutes with Kovalchuk gone
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The offer is actually
OV, Hall and Schneider for Byfuglien, Ryder, Halak and one of Vrbata/Perron
You're all seriously over valuing Schneider. He's splitting time with Brodeur and getting all the tougher matchups. It's not a secret that Brodeur got the NYI and EDM game while Schneider was in for VAN. Halak is on a MUCH better team with a MUCH better defense than Schneider, in addition to the fact that well.. he's a starting goalie for STL and Schneider is a 1A for NJ. Halak is worth 3x what Schneider is and if you can't see that then you're delusional. The guy single handedly got MTL past Boston in the playoffs a couple years back.
"Jaroslav Halak has worked hard during the off-season to strengthen his lower body.
He stayed in St. Louis in order to work one-on-one with Blues strength and conditioning coach Nelson Ayotte rather than return home to Slovakia. Halak struggled with a groin injury last season, but it was determined that surgery would not be required after he visited a specialist in Philadelphia following the Blues' first-round playoff exit. "Everything feels good. I needed some time to heal it properly," he said. "Right now, I have no issues and hopefully it's going to be this way." Halak is still being looked at as St. Louis' starting goalie entering the 2013-14 campaign, but he will need to stay healthy and consistent to keep that job because Brian Elliott and Jake Allen are waiting for more action just below him on the depth chart."
He's downgrading at forward and upgrading at defense and goaltending. He has strong forwards and I have strong defense and goaltending. What is so hard for you all to comprehend here
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He's replacing OV with Ryder and Hall with Either Vrbata/Perron. Obviously a downgrade. You have to give to get.
I'm replacing Halak with Schneider. Another obvious downgrade.
I'm replacing Byfuglien with nobody. Loss for me. Not only that but I told him to pick a defenseman he wanted out of Karlsson, Byfuglien, Phaneuf, Kronwall and Mike Green (my D group). He chose Byfuglien.
It's not my fault he neglected to draft anyone but forwards. His goaltending and defense are equally brutal. I'm willing to fill out his roster with this trade but I want OV back as part of the deal. It's not even a keeper league..
I'm replacing Halak with Schneider. Another obvious downgrade.
I'm replacing Byfuglien with nobody. Loss for me. Not only that but I told him to pick a defenseman he wanted out of Karlsson, Byfuglien, Phaneuf, Kronwall and Mike Green (my D group). He chose Byfuglien.
It's not my fault he neglected to draft anyone but forwards. His goaltending and defense are equally brutal. I'm willing to fill out his roster with this trade but I want OV back as part of the deal. It's not even a keeper league..
Dude.. if you seriously made that trade for Crosby then I'm speechless. Not only is Crosby extremely injury prone, but the production from Nash and Datsyuk together (let alone all the other pieces you added) = A LOT more than Crosby. Of course the guy with Crosby made that trade with you..what a total fleece job
Dude you're a joke get out of here. You tried to rip him off and got caught with your pants down.
Keeper value man "you have to give to get" rightttttt???? lol
Honestly though, the best player in the game is obviously worth a few top 20 players. I obviously paid alot but I've managed to stack my keepers to Malkin Crosby Couture Pietrangelo and Green. That's just the way it goes. Ovechkin obviously would fetch two top 25 players himself, therefore your trade offer is a joke. Give up two top 20 forwards, for !1! solid defenseman and an average fantasy asset on the decline and a very minor upgrade in goal. You're trade offer is a joke, as everyone else in this thread has agreed upon. It's time to learn how to value players, keep in mind keeper value too. Even if your league isn't a keeper league, it's the furthest thing from equal.
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also, to this day, he still regrets that trade lol. Keepers are extremely important and are key to a successful team. Everyone I've talked to says I won that trade (enstrom got hurt the next game, and I picked up players from waivers to make up for datsyuk and nash's production). Definitely didn't get hosed, and it took me hours to convince him to make the trade.
also injury prone?? Guy comes back completely healthy and symptom free after a mismanaged concussion, which had obviously been put behind him, and takes a puck to the face from his own team mate? How about bad luck? Now Malkin on the other hand, he's injury prone.
Gotcha. When you have no argument to logic, just tell me to get out of here because I'm a joke. You should get paid for charming this board with your wisdom.
And my pants are fully up. Halak made all of you look pretty stupid tonight. I was literally LOLing while watching that game that people think Schneider's fantasy value is even remotely close to Halaks. I don't even want OV at this point. I'd rather keep Halak on a filthy STL team that just beat the defending champs and the depth. Picked up Grabovski off waivers so I'll be pretty set anyway
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No smart GM would ever give (2) top 25 players for OV in a non-keeper fantasy league. It's simple math.
Lets give OV the benefit of the doubt and say he puts up 50G 50A for 100P. Simple right?
To make this even easier for all you guys to understand, lets use the Sedin twins (both arguably top 25 players).
D. Sedin goes 40G 40A for 80P and H. Sedin goes 25G 50A for 75P
OV = 100P
H. Sedin + D. Sedin = 155P
You lose 55 fantasy points over the course of the year by doing that deal. And when the (2) players in question getting traded for OV are on different teams you have more roster flexibility to dress them on different nights and different teams, etc. as opposed to (1) player. Then what if OV gets hurt? There goes your 100P. If one of the (2) traded players gets hurt you still have the other players production.
In the proposed trade:
Ovechkin 100P
Hall 80P
=180P
Ryder 60P
Vrbata 60P
=120P
So right here he's losing 60P at years end if all players reach those numbers. I gave Hall and OV the benefit of the doubt as I doubt either reach those marks, but whatever. Vrbata and Ryder hitting 60P this year barring injury is basically a lock IMO.
Halak >>>> Schneider (FANTASY VALUE; I fully realize Schneider is an excellent goalie but he IS NOT A STARTER while Halak is. Halak is also on a 500x better team than Schneider).
Byfuglien = 40P, bunch of PIMs
Byfuglien + Ryder + Vrbata = 140P
OV + Hall = 160P
So at the end of the day hes trading roughly 20 points to upgrade his goaltending and defense. You're all really, really dumb for arguing that it's not worth it and are rather getting caught up in the OMMGGG OVECHKIN!?! name recognition BS. I'm patiently waiting for someone to de-bunk the logic I just graced this forum with
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The fact that you're loling about online forums while you're watching a decent hockey game is pretty cool.
The fact that you're loling about online forums while you're watching a decent hockey game is pretty cool.
Why thank you! It was pretty cool. It's that feeling of "I knew I was right all along, and my eyes just received confirmation." Kind of like.. "tell me more about how Schneider = Halak"
See 3 posts up where I completely de-bunk everything you just said.
Mods, feel free to close this thread. The deal is off the table anyway, I'm not moving Halak
Why thank you! It was pretty cool. It's that feeling of "I knew I was right all along, and my eyes just received confirmation." Kind of like.. "tell me more about how Schneider = Halak"
1 game is all it takes to convince you eh.
1 stellar game on national TV against the defending champs. That, plus the other games he won (which was all of them so far). Oh yeah and one other thing.. the 6 sources throughout hockey that have stated he is the clear cut #1 this year. Seriously, please tell me more about how "Schneider = Halak"
Pominville Knows
Registered User
Ovechkin is too unique of an RW to trade him for anything exept two superstars of other positions. I'm talking Karlsson and Niemi for example.
Greek_physique
Caron - Legit SNIPER
Also, the arguement that player X + player Y > player Z is idiotic without addressing what the value of a top free agent is.
ResilientBeast
Proud Member of the TTSAOA
Lolll. It's a 14 team league. There's no such thing as a "top free agent." I'm pretty sure the highest ranked free agent right now is Chris Phillips
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