Good little article: When is enough enough for southern markets?

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Jeffrey93

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I know it shouldn't matter or take away from the main points in this 'writing' by whoever this guy is.....but "North of the BOARDER"???? Geez.
 

Jeffrey93

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To answer the question...when is enough enough?

From what I have learned from people from these markets the answer is:

When team has made the playoffs for 5 to 7 years straight, gone to the Conference Finals three time, won the Stanley Cup once (or twice)....and the season after a Cup win they average 12,500 or less.

That is failure. Anything short of that...needs more time because the on-ice success hasn't been enough to build a fan base yet.
 

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I know it shouldn't matter or take away from the main points in this 'writing' by whoever this guy is.....but "North of the BOARDER"???? Geez.

That's funny.

In my experience spelling is not a strong point for a lot of Canadians....and I'm Canadian.:laugh:

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There is a school somewhere that teaches a class in hockey operations that uses McCown's book as a textbook. He is proud of pointing that out. I would guess this is one of the students.
 
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Ask Ilya Kovalchuk, Marian Hossa or Danny Heatley if the crowds were any bigger in Atlanta when they were there. In fact, they all took the first flight out of town when they were finally given the chance to play in front of packed houses.

Seriously? :shakehead
 

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What can be said in this thread that hasn't already been said in another... yadda yadda Canada needs more teams... yadda ... American markets have tv contracts... yadda... Canada hates Bettman... Edmonton was on the verge of moving... blah blah blah.

But for fun may I offer a idea, how about expanding the league and giving all cities that want a team a team for a probational period say 10 years. If the team loses a hefty amount of money each year or cannot gain sufficient support than it will be dissolved. This could also go for the already existing NHL teams. Now this is just an idea not a proclamation so don't jump down my throat to hard.
 

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But for fun may I offer a idea, how about expanding the league and giving all cities that want a team a team for a probational period say 10 years. If the team loses a hefty amount of money each year or cannot gain sufficient support than it will be dissolved. This could also go for the already existing NHL teams. Now this is just an idea not a proclamation so don't jump down my throat to hard.

This is actually an idea that should have been in place 20 years ago. If every city knew that when they were given a franchise, they had 10 years to prove themselves as towards supporting the team, then maybe you would see better support in existing markets.
 

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You know, this is a hockey board for hockey fans. Including fans in the southern markets. What makes this article "good" is subject to your opinion. I would suggest the article comes from a clear bias and is not "good". You're free to have your opinion I suppose, but your opinion is not shared by all hockey fans.

Just my 2 cents.
 

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What can be said in this thread that hasn't already been said in another... yadda yadda Canada needs more teams... yadda ... American markets have tv contracts... yadda... Canada hates Bettman... Edmonton was on the verge of moving... blah blah blah.

But for fun may I offer a idea, how about expanding the league and giving all cities that want a team a team for a probational period say 10 years. If the team loses a hefty amount of money each year or cannot gain sufficient support than it will be dissolved. This could also go for the already existing NHL teams. Now this is just an idea not a proclamation so don't jump down my throat to hard.

Miami would have been gone 8 years ago if the league had done this. EXCELLENT IDEA!
 

y2kcanucks

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Miami would have been gone 8 years ago if the league had done this. EXCELLENT IDEA!

Agreed.

So many teams in the South are bleeding money and simply not drawing fans that it boggles the mind when you think about why those teams still occupy those cities when there are many other cities that would be profitable.

Phoenix
Atlanta
Florida
Nashville
Carolina
Tampa Bay (one of the top teams in the league, only drawgin 83.7% capacity)

Tampa, admittedly, achieved solid attendance for 2-3 years when they won the Stanley Cup, but since then attendance figures have dropped by over 20%. To me, that suggests that fans will only turn out when the team is amongst the best in the league (although that in itself isn't the case for this season).

My suggestion has always been to relocate these teams to healthier markets.

Winnipeg
Quebec
Hamilton
Saskatoon/Regina
Seattle
Portland

The team in Saskatoon/Regina may struggle in terms of corporate support, but I believe that the fan support would definitely be there. Package that with television rights and I don't think the team would struggle too badly. At the very least it should make a small profit which is huge for a franchise that has bled money for decades.
 

Hindstriker

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To answer the question...when is enough enough?

From what I have learned from people from these markets the answer is:

When team has made the playoffs for 5 to 7 years straight, gone to the Conference Finals three time, won the Stanley Cup once (or twice)....and the season after a Cup win they average 12,500 or less.

That is failure. Anything short of that...needs more time because the on-ice success hasn't been enough to build a fan base yet.

What team are you referring to?
 
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