GM Sakic and Yzerman

[Ovechkins Wodka]

As a hockey fan it's pretty cool to see the Avs run by Joe Sakic wins as a 8 seed and the Redwings bringing Stevie Y home today.
They were both Captains of the Avs and Wings when that rivalry was the best in sports. Would be fun if those 2 battle again.

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[ManwithNoIdentity]

It’ll definitely happen eventually

 

[HabsWhiteKnightLOL]

sadly the only way for them to battle now , is during the stanley cup finals.

 

[HabsQC]

I came here to post this exact thread. These guys were the two centremen of my childhood. Such great athletes and now you can see how much they understood the game as they both became GM.

Just like Marc Bergevin

 

[Tuna Tatarrrrrr]

Are there already had two people with a career as similar as Sakic and Yzerman in the history of the NHL before? This two always seem to be the direct counterpart of each other, it's crazy.

 

[Hasbro]

sadly the only way for them to battle now , is during the stanley cup finals.

I'm okay with that happening.

 

[TruePowerSlave]

Maybe this is the year Sakic starts getting some credit as a GM

Won a series, one of the youngest teams in the league, outstanding cap management, #4 pick at the draft etc.

 

[bobholly39]

Are there already had two people with a career as similar as Sakic and Yzerman in the history of the NHL before? This two always seem to be the direct counterpart of each other, it's crazy.

Theyre not all that similar tbh

 

[Tuna Tatarrrrrr]

Theyre not all that similar tbh

What? This two seem always to have the same path, great NHL career, similar stats, both are among the greatest captains of all time and now both GM of the team they played for, Colorado and Detroit.

 

[Mike8]

Theyre not all that similar tbh

I would say that they are, actually. But I may be thinking of it more broadly than you are.

 

[Cursed Lemon]

Theyre not all that similar tbh

Uh.

STAT	Yzerman	Sakic
Regular Season Points	1755	1641
All-Time Ranking for Regular Season Points	7	9
Regular Season Points Per Game	1.16	1.19
Average League-Wide Goals Per Game Over Career	6.46	6.59
2012-2013 Adjusted Point Totals (5.31)	1443	1322
2012-2013 Adjusted PPG (5.31)	0.95	0.96
Regular Season Goals	692	625
Regular Season Assists	1063	1016
Regular Season Power Play Goals	202	205
Regular Season Short-Handed Goals	50	32
Regular Season Game-Winning Goals	94	86
Regular Season Shots On Goal	4602	4621
Highest Season Goal Total	65	54
Highest Season Assist Total	90	69
Highest Season Point Total	155	120
Number of Top 10 Scoring Finishes	6	10
Number of 100+ point seasons	6	6
Number of 80+ point seasons	12	12
Number of Times Led Team in Points	11	12

[THEAD] [/THEAD]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Playoff Performance	Yzerman	Sakic
Playoff Points	185	188
All-Time Ranking for Playoff Points	10	8
Playoff Points Per Game	0.94	1.09
Playoff Goals	70	84
Playoff Assists	115	104
Number of 20-Point Post-Seasons	3	3
Number of Conn Smythe Trophies	1	1
Team Accomplishments	Yzerman	Sakic
Number of Stanley Cups	3	2
Number of President's Trophies	5	2
Number of Conference Finals Appearances	7	6
Number of Division Titles	12	9
Season Win Ratio With Player on Roster	1.44	1.14
Number of Playoff Series Won	25	20

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[16thOverallSaveUs]

Who’s the better player:
Yzerman

Who’s the better GM:
Yzerman

 

[Helistin]

They should meet in the octagon in the offseason and settle who is better once and for all.

 

[Tuna Tatarrrrrr]

Who’s the better player:
Yzerman

Who’s the better GM:
Yzerman

Nope, Sakic was the better player.

GM, Yzerman has the nod for now.

 

[Dotter]

Nope, Sakic was the better player.

GM, Yzerman has the nod for now.

Their points and production is close you could pull a straw from a hat. The true difference maker is that Yzerman was the superior leader on the ice and rallied his team to win so many more division titles, president trophies and one more Stanley Cup over Sakic.

Yzerman was the better "C".

 

[TheMule93]

Their points and production is close you could pull a straw from a hat. The true difference maker is that Yzerman was the superior leader on the ice and rallied his team to win so many more division titles, president trophies and one more Stanley Cup over Sakic.

Yzerman was the better "C".

No bias btw

 

[GOilers88]

Their points and production is close you could pull a straw from a hat. The true difference maker is that Yzerman was the superior leader on the ice and rallied his team to win so many more division titles, president trophies and one more Stanley Cup over Sakic.

In my opinion, Yzerman was the better "C".

Fixed.

 

[Tuna Tatarrrrrr]

Their points and production is close you could pull a straw from a hat. The true difference maker is that Yzerman was the superior leader on the ice and rallied his team to win so many more division titles, president trophies and one more Stanley Cup over Sakic.

Yzerman was the better "C".

LOL, Sakic was the superior player, he was more clutch and clearly a better leader than Yzerman but okay...

 

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For people who watched during the 70s, I'm sure Philadelphia GM Bobby Clarke versus Montreal GM Bob Gainey was pretty interesting.

LA has former captain Rob Blake as GM but they didn't win Cups with him, Boston has Don Sweeney but he was never captain.

 

[bobholly39]

What? This two seem always to have the same path, great NHL career, similar stats, both are among the greatest captains of all time and now both GM of the team they played for, Colorado and Detroit.

Uh.

STAT	Yzerman	Sakic
Regular Season Points	1755	1641
All-Time Ranking for Regular Season Points	7	9
Regular Season Points Per Game	1.16	1.19
Average League-Wide Goals Per Game Over Career	6.46	6.59
2012-2013 Adjusted Point Totals (5.31)	1443	1322
2012-2013 Adjusted PPG (5.31)	0.95	0.96
Regular Season Goals	692	625
Regular Season Assists	1063	1016
Regular Season Power Play Goals	202	205
Regular Season Short-Handed Goals	50	32
Regular Season Game-Winning Goals	94	86
Regular Season Shots On Goal	4602	4621
Highest Season Goal Total	65	54
Highest Season Assist Total	90	69
Highest Season Point Total	155	120
Number of Top 10 Scoring Finishes	6	10
Number of 100+ point seasons	6	6
Number of 80+ point seasons	12	12
Number of Times Led Team in Points	11	12

[THEAD] [/THEAD]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Playoff Performance	Yzerman	Sakic
Playoff Points	185	188
All-Time Ranking for Playoff Points	10	8
Playoff Points Per Game	0.94	1.09
Playoff Goals	70	84
Playoff Assists	115	104
Number of 20-Point Post-Seasons	3	3
Number of Conn Smythe Trophies	1	1
Team Accomplishments	Yzerman	Sakic
Number of Stanley Cups	3	2
Number of President's Trophies	5	2
Number of Conference Finals Appearances	7	6
Number of Division Titles	12	9
Season Win Ratio With Player on Roster	1.44	1.14
Number of Playoff Series Won	25	20

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Their career totals may look similar - but their career paths are actually not that similar at all. Which is what I took the first post to mean.

Yzerman was an offensive guru up to age 27-28 or so. Then he became more of a defense player - still great offense, but significantly less than before. And in his last few seasons his offense dried up even more.

Sakic peaked offensively at age 31. He also had a 100 point season at age 37. He also combined Selke defense and league leading offense (#2) at same time in 2001, whereas with Yzerman in his career it was usually either/or.

In terms of playoffs - Sakic has the best single run between the 2 by far. Yzerman has very strong playoffs overall, but he was never a world beater come playoff-time, Sakic has a bit of an edge there.

Of course there are similarities between the 2 - but their career arcs/path are actually not all that similar. I stand by my initial comment.

 

[Cursed Lemon]

Their career totals may look similar - but their career paths are actually not that similar at all. Which is what I took the first post to mean.

Yzerman was an offensive guru up to age 27-28 or so. Then he became more of a defense player - still great offense, but significantly less than before. And in his last few seasons his offense dried up even more.

Sakic peaked offensively at age 31. He also had a 100 point season at age 37. He also combined Selke defense and league leading offense (#2) at same time in 2001, whereas with Yzerman in his career it was usually either/or.

In terms of playoffs - Sakic has the best single run between the 2 by far. Yzerman has very strong playoffs overall, but he was never a world beater come playoff-time, Sakic has a bit of an edge there.

Of course there are similarities between the 2 - but their career arcs/path are actually not all that similar. I stand by my initial comment.

"Similar" is not a synonym for "literally identical".

 

[Tuna Tatarrrrrr]

Their career totals may look similar - but their career paths are actually not that similar at all. Which is what I took the first post to mean.

Yzerman was an offensive guru up to age 27-28 or so. Then he became more of a defense player - still great offense, but significantly less than before. And in his last few seasons his offense dried up even more.

Sakic peaked offensively at age 31. He also had a 100 point season at age 37. He also combined Selke defense and league leading offense (#2) at same time in 2001, whereas with Yzerman in his career it was usually either/or.

In terms of playoffs - Sakic has the best single run between the 2 by far. Yzerman has very strong playoffs overall, but he was never a world beater come playoff-time, Sakic has a bit of an edge there.

Of course there are similarities between the 2 - but their career arcs/path are actually not all that similar. I stand by my initial comment.

This

"Similar" is not a synonym for "literally identical".

 

[bobholly39]

"Similar" is not a synonym for "literally identical".

No but the poster I quoted asked "are there 2 players in the history of hockey with a career as similar". That sounds pretty close to "literally identical" as you can get.

They have some strong similarities - but their paths were also very different. So yes - there are definitely players in the history of hockey with careers more similar to each other.

 

[Brodie]

Their points and production is close you could pull a straw from a hat. The true difference maker is that Yzerman was the superior leader on the ice and rallied his team to win so many more division titles, president trophies and one more Stanley Cup over Sakic.

Yzerman was the better "C".

This is the best take. One is not heads and shoulders better than the other. They are statistically pretty even as players.

Not getting into a who wore it best over the captaincy.

 

[SotasicA]

I always hated both of those assholes.

Still do.