Management GM Pierre Dorion WORST moves #5

[Xspyrit]

GM Pierre Dorion (2016-present) WORST moves

#1 - Mika Zibanejad (23 y/o) + 2018 2nd round pick (#33 OA) for Derick Brassard (29 y/o)
#2- Kyle Turris (28 y/o) + 2019 1st (#4 OA) + Shane Bowers + 2019 3rd (#63 OA) for Matt Duchene (27 y/o)
#3- Mark Stone (26 y/o) for Erik Brannstrom + 2020 2nd (#61 OA Egor Sokolov)
#4- Mike Hoffman (29 y/o) + 2020 5th (#126 OA) for Mikkel Boedker (29 y/o) + 2020 6th (#158 OA Philippe Daoust)
#5-




Of course all of this is with the benefit of hindsight, we are starting to look at the end results of these moves


Some personal notes and options to add later

- Johnny Oduya (35 y/o) contract : 1 year x 2.25 (played way too much for where he was at, it was his last year in the NHL)
- Craig Anderson (37 y/o) extension : 2 years x 4.75 (that seemed very high for a goalie who was aging/declining)
- Anders Nilsson (29 y/o) extension : 2 years x 2.6 (too much too fast once again)
- Ron Hainsey (38 y/o) : 1 year x 3.5 (3rd in TOI/GP for D-men, best he could get I suppose)
- Evgeni Dadonov (27 y/o) contract : 3 years x 5.0 (vast majority liked that signing but he didn't fit in Ottawa. Dorion made a nice trade to get out of the contract thought, getting 1 year of Holden and a 3rd round pick)
- Michael Del Zotto (31 y/o) contract : 2 years x 2.0 (doesn't seem like it was a good idea, hindsight or not)
- Alex Chiasson for Patrick Sieloff
- Hiring Guy Boucher and staff
- Hiring DJ Smith and staff

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[Emerica]

Don't necessarily mind the trade value wise but the Murray long term extension before he played a single game is looking pretty terrible right now. He's going to be an expensive backup in the near future. It was that or the Stepan trade for me

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

I'm gonna go with acquiring the body that was formerly known as NHL player Derek Stepan.

You could argue they overpaid in trade value to have his bonus paid, but we still ended up with the same player.

 

[Big Muddy]

Stepan for a 2nd - surprised its slipped to 5th. Then again, there's lots to choose from.

 

[coladin]

I won't stop until i hit the Boucher one. I am genuinely surprised how gracious people are , and patient with that pick

 

[Hale The Villain]

Stepan was obviously a terrible move the moment it happened

Everyone knew it but Dorion

 

[swiftwin]

Stepan for a 2nd - surprised its slipped to 5th. Then again, there's lots to choose from.

If losing a mere 2nd round pick is in a GM's top 5 worst deals, I'd say that GM is doing a pretty good job.

 

[swiftwin]

I won't stop until i hit the Boucher one. I am genuinely surprised how gracious people are , and patient with that pick

I think it's because people have been burned way too many times for declaring the Sens off-the-board pick a bust too early. I feel like it's happened a few too many times in the last few seasons: Pinto, Merilianen, JBD, Sokolov, Tkachuk (although that one wasn't really off-the-board).

 

[BonHoonLayneCornell]

If losing a mere 2nd round pick is in a GM's top 5 worst deals, I'd say that GM is doing a pretty good job.

Not so much for a 5 year GM that other than one season has only managed a basement dwelling team with no intention to compete for anything, resources to do so even if they wanted, and essentially no need to "buy" players.

Nor does that address the poor assessment on the player being acquired.

 

[bicboi64]

Its the Stepan trade for me because its a symptom of a larger problem, PD's inability to evaluate pro rated talent. Why waste assets for players, who based on their recent trajectory, showed no signs of being valuable for Ottawa? We'd have been better off getting a defenseman like Demers or Goligoski off Arizona. If he really wanted a vet C, maybe go for one that wasn't utterly in decline?

 

[bert]

So many to choose from a seemingly never ending list. Not sure how someone can vote for Tyler Boucher over Sillinger when there is an option to Vote for Logan Brown + 3rd round pick over picking McAvoy.

 

[Big Muddy]

If losing a mere 2nd round pick is in a GM's top 5 worst deals, I'd say that GM is doing a pretty good job.

LOL. Your expectations are extremely low. Stepan was a cap dump & not a player you give up 2nd for. Nice try though.

 

[Big Muddy]

Its the Stepan trade for me because its a symptom of a larger problem, PD's inability to evaluate pro rated talent. Why waste assets for players, who based on their recent trajectory, showed no signs of being valuable for Ottawa? We'd have been better off getting a defenseman like Demers or Goligoski off Arizona. If he really wanted a vet C, maybe go for one that wasn't utterly in decline?

And paying a 2nd for what was essentially a cap dump is ridiculous.

 

[NyQuil]

I'm going with Dylan DeMelo.

Here we are still struggling to find defencemen to play with our top guys and we had one who was relatively cheap and we traded him away.

It's too early for Tyler Boucher and I'm still not really sure what happened with Anthony Duclair who I believe overestimated his value to the Senators.

I see a lot of poll options involving draft picks but those can be a crap shoot.

In DeMelo I think we had a sure thing in terms of a competent top four complementary guy and we've been trying to replace him with Gudbranson, Cobourn, Del Zotto, Josh Brown etc. ever since.

 

[swiftwin]

I'm going with Dylan DeMelo.

Here we are still struggling to find defencemen to play with our top guys and we had one who was relatively cheap and we traded him away.

It's too early for Tyler Boucher and I'm still not really sure what happened with Anthony Duclair who I believe overestimated his value to the Senators.

I see a lot of poll options involving draft picks but those can be a crap shoot.

In DeMelo I think we had a sure thing in terms of a competent top four complementary guy and we've been trying to replace him with Gudbranson, Cobourn, Del Zotto, Josh Brown etc. ever since.

Yup. People are grasping at straws now. Every team in history has a long list of "should have drafted x instead of y".

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

I'm going with Dylan DeMelo.

Here we are still struggling to find defencemen to play with our top guys and we had one who was relatively cheap and we traded him away.

It's too early for Tyler Boucher and I'm still not really sure what happened with Anthony Duclair who I believe overestimated his value to the Senators.

I see a lot of poll options involving draft picks but those can be a crap shoot.

In DeMelo I think we had a sure thing in terms of a competent top four complementary guy and we've been trying to replace him with Gudbranson, Cobourn, Del Zotto, Josh Brown etc. ever since.

Underrated mistake. Underrated value when he was here. So much better than who they have tried to fill in with.

 

[DrEasy]

Underrated mistake. Underrated value when he was here. So much better than who they have tried to fill in with.

There may have been a slight hope that they could trade DeMelo then sign him as a FA, i.e. have their cake and eat it too, but of course there was a risk of losing him, which is what happened. So sure, it was a mistake but there are worst ones on this list IMO (Stepan and Duclair to name a couple).

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

There may have been a slight hope that they could trade DeMelo then sign him as a FA, i.e. have their cake and eat it too, but of course there was a risk of losing him, which is what happened. So sure, it was a mistake but there are worst ones on this list IMO (Stepan and Duclair to name a couple).

All a big mumbo jumbo of mistakes at this point. I have the Murray signing but they stink the same or close enough imo.

 

[Xspyrit]

I want to vote for like 5 moves at the same time

So many to choose from a seemingly never ending list. Not sure how someone can vote for Tyler Boucher over Sillinger when there is an option to Vote for Logan Brown + 3rd round pick over picking McAvoy.

Not comparable IMO because Brown was ranked higher (10th on McKenzie's list, and McAvoy was 14th).

Boucher was a MAJOR reach based on McKenzie's list. Should have just let the Rangers McIlrathing themselves.

I see a lot of poll options involving draft picks but those can be a crap shoot

True but just want to note that it's not just the value given up but even more the fact that we acquired these players that ended up negatively impacted the team. It's the value of the pick + the value of addition by subtraction (which sometimes takes too long)

Ex : acquiring DeMelo for a 3rd would be a great move. Acquiring Stepan for a 2nd is an awful move for a lot of reasons. One is our GM and pro scouting staff not able to watch a tape than is more recent than 2 years.

 

[Alf Silfversson]

I won't stop until i hit the Boucher one. I am genuinely surprised how gracious people are , and patient with that pick

I hate that pick too but I'm willing to give a bit of leeway because of how little hockey prospects played last year. Even though I don't think that's why the pick was made.

Ugh. But Stepan was worse in my mind. We should have received a 2nd, not paid one. Unbelievable.

 

[Xspyrit]

I hate that pick too but I'm willing to give a bit of leeway because of how little hockey prospects played last year. Even though I don't think that's why the pick was made.

Ugh. But Stepan was worse in my mind. We should have received a 2nd, not paid one. Unbelievable.

It's insane when you think of it

Shayne Gostisbehere (2 years x 4.5 AAV but only 6.5 in salary owed) returned a 2nd and a 7th

As a FULL rebuilding team, we should have been weaponizing cap space and make a lot of moves like that. We made one but got Coburn and Paquette who just added to the plethora of way below average players we had

 

[bert]

I want to vote for like 5 moves at the same time



Not comparable IMO because Brown was ranked higher (10th on McKenzie's list, and McAvoy was 14th).

Boucher was a MAJOR reach based on McKenzie's list. Should have just let the Rangers McIlrathing themselves.



True but just want to note that it's not just the value given up but even more the fact that we acquired these players that ended up negatively impacted the team. It's the value of the pick + the value of addition by subtraction (which sometimes takes too long)

Ex : acquiring DeMelo for a 3rd would be a great move. Acquiring Stepan for a 2nd is an awful move for a lot of reasons. One is our GM and pro scouting staff not able to watch a tape than is more recent than 2 years.

Mackenzies list doesnt trump actual play. Its the same process the teams scout and make a decision.

 

[Micklebot]

I won't stop until i hit the Boucher one. I am genuinely surprised how gracious people are , and patient with that pick

The pick was made what, 4 months ago? It's not the pick I'd have made, but he's still got alot of runway left before we'll know how his career is going to pan out. I wanted Lucius, not sure I'd be willing to declare that pick being a surefire better player yet.

Not looking great but time will tell.

 

[Xspyrit]

Mackenzies list doesnt trump actual play. Its the same process the teams scout and make a decision.

Yeah but Boucher vs Sillinger/etc doesn't have the benefit of hindsight like Brown vs McAvoy has.

The point is that for the 2016 draft, even if Dorion didn't pick the right guy in the end, it wasn't a MAJOR reach like Boucher. So Brown was a regular miss at the draft. If Boucher misses, it's a Kopitar vs Lee f***up again