Maybe another AGM with a hockey background and replacing the pro scouting department. Rutherford is just slightly ahead of Milbury in terms of performance.
Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part 2
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DaveMatthew
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Haha what?
He's won 3 Stanley Cups and has been to the Finals 4 times.
A guy trades a couple of first round picks to try and push a team that already has Crosby, Malkin and Letang over the top and he's just ahead of Milbury?
Crazy talk.
DaveMatthew
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Context matters.
He traded a few first round picks when he was running a team with Crosby, Malkin, Letang and Fleury, 4 future HOFers, to try and help them win more cups. One of those trades, when he acquired Phil Kessel, worked incredibly well.
When he was running the Hurricanes, a small-market budget conscious team, he kept his 1st round pick 15 out of 18 years. One of the times he traded it, he went out and got Doug Weight who went to be a critical piece of their Cup run.
Seems fine to me.
Terrible trades, terrible drafts IMO.
All of his Penguins draft picks combined have played 3 NHL games. He has not acquired any player of significance in Pittsburgh since taking over. All he did was ruin the future of the team he inherited while getting 2 Cups with the team he inherited. His record in Pittsburgh is absolutely atrocious.
Yes my mistake. I thought he took over after that trade. My point stands, he overpays on every trade.
aragorn
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Come on, they said the exact same thing when Duclair was doing well here, "it seems he found a home in Ottawa & his production proves how comfortable he is here". It's media hype, but it's nice he got another job. I doubt EM had anything to do with it, PD wanted Dadonov which turns out to be another bad move by him & for a lot more money.
DaveMatthew
Bring in Peter
Lol!
After he was hired in Pittsburgh in June 2014, he went out and:
Traded James Neal for Patrick Hornqvist
Traded Brandon Sutter for Nick Bonino
Traded Robert Bortuzzo for Ian Cole
Traded for Kasperi Kapanen and a 1st (plus spare parts) for Phil Kessel
In two off-seasons, he acquired 4 players who were critical pieces that helped them win 2 straight Cups in 2016 and 2017.
Kessel scored 45 points in 49 games in those playoff runs.
Hornqvist scored 21 points. Bonino scored 25. Cole played over 18 minutes a night in the playoffs and was a +23.
Absolutely atrocious and no players of significance! He was brought in to win cups and that's exactly what he did.
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DaveMatthew
Bring in Peter
Antony Duclair, February 2020:
"Yeah, I think so. I think since last year coming in, it was a good fit for me. I told my agent that I wanted to come back. I really thought that I can grow here as a player and a person and I think I made the right decision just to come back on a one-year deal. The way things have been going this year, I definitely want to be back under D.J. (Smith) and to be part of the core of this team."
I have no doubt that Melnyk is a terrible person with awful views on many social issues, but you're right, the exact same articles were coming out about Duclair loving Ottawa at this time last year.
Goalie tandems are all the rage. I’d be ok moving on from Hogberg if he can’t elevate this year and throwing $4M at someone who can start 35 games.
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Why does it suck? ...because they may not share your views?
See DaveMatthew's post above. Duclair said the exact same thing when he was here in Ottawa and I think this is just him trying to find a home.
Lol. Oh trust me... I am dissapointed.
I mean very little presence at lgbtq events. Very little supper for social rights movements. I mean this has nothing to do with “my views”.
the team should do better in these areas.
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AchtzehnBaby
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Folks - The NHL and HDA are not aligned. This hopefully will change one day soon.
There is nothing in the media that states that the Ottawa Senators organization or Eugene Melnyk do not support HDA, BLM, or LGBTQ
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just wanted to say this is a forum for rumours - says above it isn’t, but basically 95% of what goes on here is rumour talking and rumour writing so I can see how people get confused.
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I think the distinction to be made is with trade/signing rumours and the kind of rumours you might find in TMZ. The former is on topic and fine, the latter not so much even if there is a subtle tie in to the former
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He won’t be coming here for that reason.
he’s a well respected guy. He doesn’t need to subject himself to melnyk and lower pay
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Unique situation. This has the potential to be Chicago 08/09-14/15. A group of kids who blossom.
Bowman and Quiennville are living high thanks to it. They are making insane dough and are guaranteed HOF status in the end. Neither was in the picture during the rebuild years.
Should changes be made, a quality GM may see this as his Chicago Blackhawks. Look back at Pittsburgh 06 outwards. Pretty much all the people who came in after Crosby, went on to at least one other job with serious coin. Granted, they all collapsed and are now out or in minor roles.
A high profile guy comes in, the team blossoms as hoped.. A cup, or two. Or at least an FYOUS. And he is laughing. This would be way better than a San Jose, NJ Devils and the other 5-6 jobs..Imagine Buffalo! Either pull a rabbit out of your behind or you will be gone.
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Solid Article Published by the Score today.
Capital assessment: Evaluating Senators' rebuild after 3 years
Capital assessment: Evaluating Senators' rebuild after 3 years
Yeah this off-season was a colossal failure.
Dadonov, Murray, Stepan, Gudbranson, Brown and Galchenyuk acquisitions have all flopped thus far.
Watson has turned out to be a good acquisition, as has Zub, but overall it was a complete missed opportunity and the article details that pretty well.
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