Management GM Pierre Dorion/Front Office Thread - Part 2
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Alfie11
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Every loss brings us one day closer to the end of Dorion's tenure as GM.
If he isn't canned at the end of this season then Melnyck will lose whatever microscopically thin shred of credibility he might have left.
If he isn't canned at the end of this season then Melnyck will lose whatever microscopically thin shred of credibility he might have left.
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We brought in a lot of new faces and it turns out that most of the new guys are bad while the old ones were decent/mediocre. I get wanting to change the air after another bottom three finish and wanting to cash out on UFAs, I don't think it was stupid.
It is just a shame that we had ok veterans and got rid of them to bring in other veterans that are worse.
Problem wasn't trading DeMelo, Namestnikov, Ennis, etc.. for assets, it's that the picks they got back were then used to foolishly acquire even worse veteran players.
Making room for better players and getting picks in the process was smart, but Dorion's acquisitions of Stepan, Gudbranson, Watson, Brown, Galchenyuk, Paquette and Coburn have for the most part backfired and made the team far worse.
Our pro scouting is unquestionably the worst in the league and has been so for the past decade. Was god awful under Murray too.
Did they misjudge it? Or did they try to buy low and prayed for a miracle? In terms of trade value, they paid almost nothing to acquire J. Brown, Gudbranson, Coburn and Paquette. Where is the sense that they overestimated what they got? Who looks at a trade where you get paid a second round pick to take on two depth players and thinks "hmmmm, I think those guys are going to be great for us"?
If Gudbranson, J. Brown, Coburn and Paquette were valuable pieces they would have cost more to acquire. End of story. I don't give a shit what the media sell job was. Part of Dorion's job, whether people like it or not, is to sell this fanbase excitement. It's no different than McDonalds commercials that make their food sound like it's the best thing ever and not an over-preserved, artificial trash heap of pureed cow feet and mutant potatoes.
Even still, guys like J. Brown might have latent value to help us with exposure requirements in the upcoming expansion draft.
All this wailing about depth players is so bizarre. All four of these guys will be a fleeting memory, like many marginally talented players before them.
Surprisingly, there doesn't seem to be much discussion about the fact that Tkachuk and Chabot have played very poorly this year and that any regression from them will set back this rebuild. That's something worth fretting over. Not #6 defensemen who cost nothing to acquire.
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Do you think it backfired now that Coburn, Galchenyuk and Paquette are gone? Brown pushed out. Who pushed them out? And as they have been pushed out, who has taken their spots? Isn't that what this was supposed to happen?
Let's say Ottawa got better veterans. How in the hell would they get rid of them? Could the young guys push them out easier? I don't disagree that they are "worse" veterans, but as warm bodies until the next wave push them out, isn't that what is best? We have 3 left, and chances are only two will remain for the foreseeable future, and quite possibly maybe just one by the trade deadline. Isn't that what, ultimately, this team should strive for?
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Message?
Odd way to frame it. Maybe to Paquette for playing like he didn't want to be here?
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He wants to send a message he better get a top 4 D.
But yea, the message was definitely on Paquette's play, or lack thereof.
But yea, the message was definitely on Paquette's play, or lack thereof.
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Revisionist history. He was great from his very first game with the Senators.
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Message?
Maybe that message should be directed at himself.
He constructed this team and the ones that have struggled the most are his most recent acquisitions
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Message?
Seriously.
All it does is reinforce the notion that Dorion is a poor evaluator and lousy at assembling teams.
They expected this team to be competitive and it struggles to keep up. Many of the players that Dorion acquired flopped. All in all, there's no lack of effort but a team that just isn't good enough to win consistently.
I don't know if they slipped in messaging and should have said "improved" but if they looked at this roster and said competitive then it's a major fail.
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Being great and not having all the skills yet is a very real thing - see punk music
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Message?
Garrioch said the message was that if the team was going to continue to lose that Dorion would go down swinging.
I don't know if we want to see that. Dorion trying to go down swinging with his moves could be a disaster.
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That if you play really bad, there is hope you might get moved to a better team.
The third and fourth line guys that are here until the end of the year when rookies take their place?
I don’t think he brought in anyone that was expected to go out and win games
That horrific goalie contract may cost him his job everything thing else is just about where it should be
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Not that I disagree at all, but that is not something I'd want to hang my hat on.
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Two things:
1. when we traded EK everyone said you won’t ever equal value (and equal value to Sens fan would be not even a #1 overall pick, it had to be a #1 overall pick in a good year. We got Stutzle. He looks like he could be the best player in the draft and is a generational talent.
2. Dorion might of gotten the best Forward and Defencman in the draft. Certainly the evaluation to this point would show that - Stuz is the best player from the draft in the NHL and Sanderson WKC gold and tournament play showed he’s better then Drysdale. Might even be the two best players in the draft.
Dorion seemed particularly upbeat after we had #3 and #5 picks on lottery day - he must of known of the Stuz and Sanderson magic. He kept saying over and over again ‘anything can happen with the picks ahead of us” but secretly hoping Stuz and Sanderson fall to him. And they did. Like Tkachuk did. He deserves credits for the picks, franchise changing
1. when we traded EK everyone said you won’t ever equal value (and equal value to Sens fan would be not even a #1 overall pick, it had to be a #1 overall pick in a good year. We got Stutzle. He looks like he could be the best player in the draft and is a generational talent.
2. Dorion might of gotten the best Forward and Defencman in the draft. Certainly the evaluation to this point would show that - Stuz is the best player from the draft in the NHL and Sanderson WKC gold and tournament play showed he’s better then Drysdale. Might even be the two best players in the draft.
Dorion seemed particularly upbeat after we had #3 and #5 picks on lottery day - he must of known of the Stuz and Sanderson magic. He kept saying over and over again ‘anything can happen with the picks ahead of us” but secretly hoping Stuz and Sanderson fall to him. And they did. Like Tkachuk did. He deserves credits for the picks, franchise changing
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