Post-Game Talk: GM 7 | Habs def. Canucks - 5-2 (Pettersson, Hoglander)

[sting101]

Its odd that the Pandemic narrative exists.

Apparently the team that beat Minnesota and St.Louis (the cup champs of 19) would have crumpled down the stretch and not been able to beat like or worse teams to a playoff spot?

 

[4Twenty]

Its odd that the Pandemic narrative exists.

Apparently the team that beat Minnesota and St.Louis (the cup champs of 19) would have crumpled down the stretch and not been able to beat like or worse teams to a playoff spot?

In what way is it odd? The team was down a bunch of players and plummeting at the time of the pause. Had there been no pandemic pause it’s very conceivable the team wouldn’t have been in the top 8 of the western conference. That’s the way things were trending.

Minnesota wasn’t trending to be a top 8 team either. Good on the Canucks though you can only beat what they give you.

St Louis was reportedly suffering from illness and received putrid goaltending.

The team was shut out 3 times against Vegas in what was a very lopsided series in terms of the run of play.

Their regular season stats were bottom 10/5 in a lot of key metrics and were riding a PP and Vezina level netminding. A lot supports the pandemic pause saving their season narrative.

Your support is somehow that the cup champs from the year prior means a whole helluva lot a year later and that Minnesota is ...good?

Keep up the white knighting.

 

[m9]

Its odd that the Pandemic narrative exists.

Apparently the team that beat Minnesota and St.Louis (the cup champs of 19) would have crumpled down the stretch and not been able to beat like or worse teams to a playoff spot?

Canucks were spiralling and had key injuries when the pandemic started. Came back healthy and faced a Blues team with injuries and was banged hard by Covid. Not hard to figure out.

I do think they were just a better team than Minnesota, though. For whatever that's worth.

 

[m9]

At least there are only 7 teams in the division, caught a massive break there. Would be even worse right now with one more team battling for that 4th playoff spot.

 

[sting101]

Travis Green is a good coach. We have a very good exciting young team.

So many insecurities? It's not about to implode...jeeesh

We lost some key glue guys, our defense all have new partners they haven't played with before.

We dont have a top5 goalie to hide poor defensive play.

This team will be fine. The spots vacated will have guys step up and grow instead of holding the fort till they are too beat up and old when we need them the most.

The thing with the alignment is as fast as you can go down the head to heads allow you to climb back up. It's gonna be a struggle Ottawa is the only weak team, Calagary is deep deep deep, Toronto's top end is as good as it gets, Montreal with the growth of Suzuki and Kotkaniemi are an outstanding well rounded team. The Jets through the middle are able to compete with anyone. The Oilers have the 2 headed monster

 

[4Twenty]

Please explain what makes Travis Green a good coach @sting101

I will say he’s created a positive working environment as a positive.

I desperately need to know what Travis does specifically and why the team continues to play with no structure and have dreadful 5 on 5 play, which is a continuation of each and every season of Green’s tenure.

 

[sting101]

In what way is it odd? The team was down a bunch of players and plummeting at the time of the pause. Had there been no pandemic pause it’s very conceivable the team wouldn’t have been in the top 8 of the western conference. That’s the way things were trending.

Minnesota wasn’t trending to be a top 8 team either. Good on the Canucks though you can only beat what they give you.

St Louis was reportedly suffering from illness and received putrid goaltending.

The team was shut out 3 times against Vegas in what was a very lopsided series in terms of the run of play.

Their regular season stats were bottom 10/5 in a lot of key metrics and were riding a PP and Vezina level netminding. A lot supports the pandemic pause saving their season narrative.

Your support is somehow that the cup champs from the year prior means a whole helluva lot a year later and that Minnesota is ...good?

Keep up the white knighting.

Conceivable for you. I suppose Pettersson is done as a top player then as he's trending poorly currently right??

What is also conceivable is we went on to make it.

Stick with facts instead of making stuff up

 

[4Twenty]

Conceivable for you. I suppose Pettersson is done as a top player then as he's trending poorly currently right??

What is also conceivable is we went on to make it.

Stick with facts instead of making stuff up

You said the narrative is odd? It isn’t.

Pettersson comment is lazy.


You’re grasping.

 

[TraderJim]

Stick with facts instead of making stuff up

Like calling COVID the flu?

 

[Bojack Horvatman]

I don't know if the team would of made the playoffs last year without the pandemic, but they would of finished within a few points of the playoff bar on either side.

Besides, the team had the same strengths and problems last year whether they would of made the playoffs or not. The same problems that were evident in the playoffs even if they had success, and the problems are more glaring this year because of losing Markstrom, losing a couple defenders even if we did add Schmidt, and players being another year older.

 

[mathonwy]

Please explain what makes Travis Green a good coach @sting101

I will say he’s created a positive working environment as a positive.

I desperately need to know what Travis does specifically and why the team continues to play with no structure and have dreadful 5 on 5 play, which is a continuation of each and every season of Green’s tenure.

Objectively speaking. It’s really hard to say because of how effed our salary cap has become and how much of a Frankenstein’s monster our roster has become.

No real intelligent thought has been put into roster construction and the players know this and players like Jake have responded accordingly.

The players know full well that management above Greens level is f***ing up hard and has put the onus on Green to create chicken salad out of chicken shit.

Greens in a tough spot. Shit happens.

 

[sting101]

You said the narrative is odd? It isn’t.

Pettersson comment is lazy.


You’re grasping.

Grasping at what exactly?

Grasping would be projecting the team as out of the playoffs last year when we wiped out one of the teams we were competing with relatively easy in a series.

Reality is what we did. Grasping is you making things up and screaming the sky is falling after a few losses.

 

[Fatass]

Like calling COVID the flu?

If a poor GM is like a bad flu to a team (makes them sick, but they will get better) then is Benning like Covid or the Black Death?

 

[4Twenty]

Objectively speaking. It’s really hard to say because of how effed our salary cap has become and how much of a Frankenstein’s monster our roster has become.

No real intelligent thought has been put into roster construction and the players know this and players like Jake have responded accordingly.

The players know full well that management above Greens level is f***ing up hard and has put the onus on Green to create chicken salad out of chicken shit.

Greens in a tough spot. Shit happens.

Oh I totally agree but I want the people who keep defending the coaching to tell me what he does specifically that makes him a good coach. I know he’s been hamstrung badly by the GM.

 

[4Twenty]

Grasping at what exactly?

Grasping would be projecting the team as out of the playoffs last year when we wiped out one of the teams we were competing with relatively easy in a series.

Reality is what we did. Grasping is you making things up and screaming the sky is falling after a few losses.

Again. The narrative makes perfect sense and isn’t odd.

If you’re trying to evaluate the team based on what would’ve happened without the pandemic the trends and the 5 on 5 metrics should be paid attention to.

They’re performing similarly as ever 5 on 5. Heat maps/ stats right now while they’re 2-5 aren’t all that dissimilar from last seasons.

 

[sting101]

Like calling COVID the flu?

No like calling this a poor comeback

 

[Fatass]

Again. The narrative makes perfect sense and isn’t odd.

If you’re trying to evaluate the team based on what would’ve happened without the pandemic the trends and the 5 on 5 metrics should be paid attention to.

They’re performing similarly as ever 5 on 5. Heat maps/ stats right now while they’re 2-5 aren’t all that dissimilar from last seasons.

Except the save % is in the .880’s
Marky was our MVP for good reason.

 

[TraderJim]

No like calling this a poor comeback

I learned everything I need to know about you when you call COVID the flu.

 

[4Twenty]

Except the save % is in the .880’s
Marky was our MVP for good reason.

The goalies have been hung out to dry.
the difference between .890 and .910 isn’t the reason the Canucks have one regulation win through 7 games.

 

[MS]

Its odd that the Pandemic narrative exists.

Apparently the team that beat Minnesota and St.Louis (the cup champs of 19) would have crumpled down the stretch and not been able to beat like or worse teams to a playoff spot?

1) We were badly trending out of the playoffs without Markstrom when the season ended.

2) Minnesota was not a playoff team, either.

3) St. Louis were ravaged by COVID but still badly outplayed us and lost pretty much entirely because their goalie did a 2003 Cloutier special and handed the series away.

 

[sting101]

I learned everything I need to know about you when you call COVID the flu.

i learned everything i need to know about you when you just took a run at me for no reason with some BS accusation.

 

[MS]

The goalies have been hung out to dry.
the difference between .890 and .910 isn’t the reason the Canucks have one regulation win through 7 games.

The goalies also haven't been very good. If Markstrom was still here, we're probably 3-3-1 or something like that.

 

[4Twenty]

The goalies also haven't been very good. If Markstrom was still here, we're probably 3-3-1 or something like that.

I find myself feeling sad for the goalies when watching.

 

[MS]

I find myself feeling sad for the goalies when watching.

Oh, so do I. But if Markstrom wasn't so good last year I would have felt sad for him, too.

 

[Fatass]

The goalies have been hung out to dry.
the difference between .890 and .910 isn’t the reason the Canucks have one regulation win through 7 games.

I agree. Marky covered up for a lot of the team’s Bleeding high quality chances though, and a bit better than the current guys are able to.