Giordano's knee on knee (?) on Koivu (upd: suspended 2 games)

[stampedingviking]

WHAT? didn't instigate? Jesus man, he chased the guy for a mile before attacking him..it's real clear. Look, this isn't about Lucic not getting suspended..it's about Lomberg getting screwed and it looks real bad on the league!

Did he come off the bench with the intention of starting a fight?

Yes. So he/you can't cry about whatever DoPS has given.

 

[stampedingviking]

Are you telling me you're a fan of this 5 minute rule? unless it was a line brawl 90% of the time it has meant nothing in the past. this was clear cut BS.

Rule is a rule, whether you like it or not.

 

[stampedingviking]

No but there are hits and then there are HITS. There was no need for Dumbass to drive upwards into Backlund like he did. It was a punishment hit done to exact revenge.

After what happened to Koivu, why shouldn't the Wild attempt to hurt an opponent? (Hurt not injure, if that makes sense.)

 

[stampedingviking]

Yes. Four occurances (and I stongly disagree with the "intentional" part) in 14 years as a professional hockey player does not indicate a pattern. Also in all those incidents the DoPS only fined or suspended Gio once... This last time.

How many other players have had four knee-on-knee hits that are all "accidental"?

 

[57special]

Just to dial it back a bit...

is it possible that Peters sent Lomberg out hoping he would exact revenge on Dumbass? Yes.
Do I know for certain that was his intention? No
Do I think Peters told Lomberg to go out and try to hurt Dumbass? No
Am I glad that Lomberg did what he did? Yes
Do I think Dumbass's hit on Backlund was clean? Questionable and there's certainly room for debate.
Do I think that type of hit was necessary? No. Not with 53 seconds left in the game and Minnesota losing 2-0. The hit was meant to punish. Mission accomplished.

Thanks for your biased view of things. Really helpful.

 

[Kahvi]

Thanks for your biased view of things. Really helpful.

So what are the points you disagree with?

 

[North Cole]

@skallin ummmm... are u deleting your account ??

@Del Preston
@Spazkat

He changed his account name to Bando

LOL

@Bando m8, u didnt delete your account. Just went back to edit ur posts

 

[Yeah15]

Throughout his career?

Last season Lomberg had 3 fighting majors, this season no penalties before this game. Small sample size if anything

Your point is? Lucic had 4 fights last year in 82 games. Is Looch not a goon because he was only in a few fights last year? Hell no. It's the way the game is going.
Lomberg had 11 fighting majors last season (not 3 like you for some reason fabricated). Good grief, what a flawed argument. We get it, Lomberg is a skill player, not a goon... Peters put him out there in that situation to score another goal because that's what he does best!

 

[Rubi]

@Del Preston
@Spazkat

He changed his account name to Bando

LOL

@Bando m8, u didnt delete your account. Just went back to edit ur posts

Not good. Basically you just welched on your bet @Bando.
If you're foolish enough to make a bet like that, man up and accept the consequences when you lose.

 

[Kahvi]

Your point is? Lucic had 4 fights last year in 82 games. Is Looch not a goon because he was only in a few fights last year? Hell no.
Lomberg had 11 fighting majors (not 3 like you for some reason fabricated). Good grief, what a flawed argument. We get it, Lomberg is a skill player, not a goon... Peters put him out there in that situation to score another goal because that's what he does best!

My point was small sample size when it comes to Lomberg.

I double checked, Lomberg has 32 PIM in his NHL career, 15 last year and 17 this year so I really wonder where you get that 11 fighting majors. Or are you counting AHL games when discussing players in NHL?

 

[DrewGl]

The NHL fanbase is obsessed with penalties/injuries. Bad shit happens in every sport but you do not see the hyper overreaction from any other fanbase.

 

[Yeah15]

My point was small sample size when it comes to Lomberg.

I double checked, Lomberg has 32 PIM in his NHL career, 15 last year and 17 this year so I really wonder where you get that 11 fighting majors. Or are you counting AHL games when discussing players in NHL?

If you don't think a player's AHL resume applies when he has played only TEN games in the NHL, there's no hope for you. He's been in 4 fights in 10 NHL games haha. So either we go with the small NHL sample size, or his AHL stat line which obviously implies that he was called up to the Flames for one reason, and one reason only.
I have no issue with the idea of a goon either, I wish there was more fighting in hockey. However to imply that Lomberg isn't there to rough people up when the opposing team is taking liberties with the Flames is extremely laughable IMO. He is a goon, no doubt about it.

 

[Kahvi]

If you don't think a player's AHL resume applies when he has played only TEN games in the NHL, there's no hope for you. He's been in 4 fights in 10 NHL games haha. So either we go with the small NHL sample size, or his AHL stat line which obviously implies that he was called up to the Flames for one reason, and one reason only.
I have no issue with the idea of a goon either, I wish there was more fighting in hockey. However to imply that Lomberg isn't there to rough people up when the opposing team is taking liberties with the Flames is extremely laughable IMO. He is a goon, no doubt about it.

Well that's the point when talking about small sample size. 10 games and 4 fights, when looking only at numbers, is a prime example of small sample size. Lomberg is a fourth liner that's supposed to bring physical game, I think we can agree on that.

 

[Rubi]

If you don't think a player's AHL resume applies when he has played only TEN games in the NHL, there's no hope for you. He's been in 4 fights in 10 NHL games haha. So either we go with the small NHL sample size, or his AHL stat line which obviously implies that he was called up to the Flames for one reason, and one reason only.
I have no issue with the idea of a goon either, I wish there was more fighting in hockey. However to imply that Lomberg isn't there to rough people up when the opposing team is taking liberties with the Flames is extremely laughable IMO. He is a goon, no doubt about it.

Sad state of affairs for the Flames when a 5'9" player is their designated goon. ... <sigh> If true, embarrassing actually. Goonery in the NHL just isn't like it used to be.

 

[Spazkat]

@Del Preston
@Spazkat

He changed his account name to Bando

LOL

@Bando m8, u didnt delete your account. Just went back to edit ur posts

I didn't really expect he'd live up to that, but the 'bye felcia' gif was too funny to pass up

 

[Jugitsu]

Just to dial it back a bit...

is it possible that Peters sent Lomberg out hoping he would exact revenge on Dumbass? Yes.
Do I know for certain that was his intention? No
Do I think Peters told Lomberg to go out and try to hurt Dumbass? No
Am I glad that Lomberg did what he did? Yes
Do I think Dumbass's hit on Backlund was clean? Questionable and there's certainly room for debate.
Do I think that type of hit was necessary? No. Not with 53 seconds left in the game and Minnesota losing 2-0. The hit was meant to punish. Mission accomplished.

So Dumba's decision to hit had nothing to with the fact that Wild's net was empty, they were chasing, and Backlund was about to take off to score an empty netter on Dumba's point of view? Did Dumba have other viable options? If he did, I'd like to hear what those were. Poke check? Probably the most viable option, other than hitting but risky as the puck could've easily drifted to another Flames' player.

If that was Dumba's first ever open ice hit at any level, I would buy that "he was trying to punish" theory. But no, that has been Dumba's bread and butter and go to move since he was a junior. Sure, he isn't lighting people up every game because that's frigging hard to do, but if he has a chance to make a play via either hit or poke check or <insert any defensive play here>, he's going for the hit.

And why punish Backlund after so much time has passed? The Wild has more than a few capable bodies to toss in the rink to either hit even harder than Dumba or fight. Your theory just doesn't make any kind of sense.

 

[Snakepit]

Sad state of affairs for the Flames when a 5'9" player is their designated goon. ... <sigh> If true, embarrassing actually. Goonery in the NHL just isn't like it used to be.

Prout is their goon. Lomberg is just a 4th line banger that is willing to fight (and loses a lot because goes after guys twice his size)

 

[Rubi]

So Dumba's decision to hit had nothing to with the fact that Wild's net was empty, they were chasing, and Backlund was about to take off to score an empty netter on Dumba's point of view? Did Dumba have other viable options? If he did, I'd like to hear what those were. Poke check? Probably the most viable option, other than hitting but risky as the puck could've easily drifted to another Flames' player.

He should have just tripped him. It worked a few seconds earlier when Backlund was open and about to score an empty netter.

 

[Jugitsu]

He should have just tripped him. It worked a few seconds earlier when Backlund was open and about to score an empty netter.

So you agree he made the right call.

 

[A91]

He's more than proven that he is a dirty player (doesnt mean he isnt a top dman in the game) so this suspension is warranted.
As someone who has had both my ACLs torn (one from an intentional knee-knee hit in the neutral zone) I would argue he deserves more. Knees come right after the head as the dirtiest areas you can target on a player.

 

[Rubi]

So you agree he made the right call.

I agree that tripping Backlund a second time when he had a good chance to score an empty net goal would be pushing the Wild's luck with the refs.
The check by Dumba was the best option... I just have a problem with the end result. Hockey plays that end up in concussions are never good even when the play is within the rules. Hockey player concussions are such a serious problem and the league is stepping up to try and reduce them, although I think they could do more. I also think players have some responsibility too... on both sides. IMO there is too much "I'm going to hurt this guy because I can and the rules allow it". Could Dumba have checked Backlund, and separated him from the puck, without sending him to the hospital? Probably.

 

[Jugitsu]

I agree that tripping Backlund a second time when he had a good chance to score an empty net goal would be pushing the Wild's luck with the refs.
The check by Dumba was the best option... I just have a problem with the end result. Hockey plays that end up in concussions are never good even when the play is within the rules. Hockey player concussions are such a serious problem and the league is stepping up to try and reduce them, although I think they could do more. I also think players have some responsibility too... on both sides. IMO there is too much "I'm going to hurt this guy because I can and the rules allow it". Could Dumba have checked Backlund, and separated him from the puck, without sending him to the hospital? Probably.

I was writing a long response but realized this isn't the time and the place for it, so I will cut to the chase and say I agree with you. The fact that something is done according to the rules, even without bad intentions, doesn't necessarily make it right.

 

[Rubi]

I was writing a long response but realized this isn't the time and the place for it, so I will cut to the chase and say I agree with you. The fact that something is done according to the rules, even without bad intentions, doesn't necessarily make it right.

Glad we agree. Cheers.

 

[Terry Yake]

Yes. Four occurances (and I stongly disagree with the "intentional" part) in 14 years as a professional hockey player does not indicate a pattern. Also in all those incidents the DoPS only fined or suspended Gio once... This last time.

hahahahaha "only four"

ok then in that case, corey perry has "only" run a goalie intentionally a few times and has never been suspended for it. therefore he's a clean, hard nosed player right?

 

[Terry Yake]

I'd like to see those intentional knees listed here. Emphasis on intentional, because I'm sure intentional kneeing ends ups with suspension

one on bobby ryan, one on fowler, and now this one

and if you don't think any of them were intentional then you're simply in denial. and lol @ thinking DOPS always does the right thing. the fact that he got suspended for this one and didn;t even get a hearing for the one on fowler shows how terrible DOPS is at this stuff