Discussion in 'Germany' started by Maverick41, Nov 19, 2012.
Hot f***ing take.
The comparison lags. Florian Elias is a very good hockey player, but he is not a Stützle, Reichel or Peterka.
Unlike Stützle, he does not get always the best linemates.
He directs the game. He scores regularly, but for the few goalscoaring of his linemates, he can do nothing.
Got my first live viewing of Elias tonight and was really underwhelmed. He’s tiny and I didn’t see nearly enough skill or skating ability to make up for that.
Stützle, meanwhile, is insanely talented and at this point I’m sure he’ll be a top-15 NHL pick.
Very cool to see him playing regularly in the DEL for Adler Mannheim. Does he also pass the eye-test at the DEL level for those that watch him?
I have never seen him play in person, but going by some of the praisings on this board I assumed he would put up way better numbers than 3g+11a in 13 games played. Only 4th best scorer on his own team. What is the issue here? Who are his linemates?
Still tearing it up in the DNL as one of the youngest players in the league. Has 11g+22a in 13 games played and leads the scoring race already by 11 points.
About Moritz Seider:
I saw his first couple of games in which he seemed a little too tentative at times and it was obvious he was not yet used to the more physical play.
I plan to watch the games this weekend. If he plays I'll share my impressions afterwards.
Out of curiosity I just took a look at his ice time through the games so far:
Game #TOI TotalTOI ESTOI PPTOI SH112:5712:4800:0000:09212:1111:2000:0000:513DNP4DNP505:1105:0600:0000:05608:2708:0600:0000:21710:5609:4100:0001:15808:2608:2600:0000:00912:2811:5000:1700:211016:0714:5400:0301:101111:5411:2800:2500:01
And Peterka keeping up the same pace in Czech U19s, so far 13 games and 14+18=32. Only his teammate Elis Hede comes any closer (his dad's German by the way, might he be eligible?).
I am not sure, but I think he would have to play at least a couple of years in Germany. His dad is a dual citizen, but i don't think Elis is. He does count as an Austrian as far as import slots are concerned in the Austrian league.
So I watched Seider in the two games this weekend, and as one would expect from a rookie his age, there were positives and negatives in his game.
At times he got caught not moving his feet which made it easy for players coming at him with speed to fly past him. But for the most part he was really solid defensively. He was especially good at using his stick to separate opposing attackers from the puck.
He needs to get both a bit smarter and more assertive around his own net, clearing the crease and defending passes to the front of the net, but he is getting there. He was much better at it than he was in his first games.
It looks to me like he has not yet realised that he is bigger and even stronger than many of these grown men he is playing against. Still, he needs to work at hs core strength, because for guy his size he still gets knocked down a little too easy at times.
What absolutely stood out however, ist just how calm and poised he looks. Whether it's battling in the corner against two attackers, or with the puck on his stick and the opposing forechecker barelling down on him, he doesn't flinch, he doesn't panic, but instead makes the smart, simple plays to help his team.
The only moment I saw that resembled panic was when he lost his stick and failed to pick it back up a couple of times leaving his team shorthanded for a little while, as the other team had possession in Mannheim's defensive zone.
Offensively he showed some flashes that indicated that he has some upside there, too. He joined the rush when it made sense, but also immediately backed down and returned to his position on defense as soon as he noticed that his team might lose possession.
In the game on Sunday he played some significant minutes on the penalty kill and did a solid job. I was a little surprised to see him play on the left side a lot, but he seemed to switched to right side on occasion.
Overall I really like what I am seeing from him, but he still has lots of room for improvement and I don't think that this is just a case of a young player being more physically mature than his peers. There is some serious talent there. If he continues to work hard and develop Seider can become a special talent.
Just highlighting the top positive and negative things that have stood out to me in the past as well. He occasionally gets caught flat-footed on rushes against, though I think that's due to decision-making rather than his skating. His skating is fine, he just takes a little too long to make a decision on whether to pinch or start retreating. This could really hurt him in the long run, because it's even more difficult to change than being a slow skater.
On the positive side, yes. His poise is without a doubt his standout attribute. It's incredible, especially at this age in this league.
Stützle with 6 points (2g 4a) today vs Cologne.
... in a low-level game. So what?
The two best german junior teams were facing each other. Scoring 6 points as one of the youngest players is a great result, no matter what.
Did you read the statistics or saw the game? The game was on a poor level and Stützle was not the next McDavid in this game.
I only read the stats.
Hopefully he can improve next game and show a more acceptable effort.
This was not Stützle`s fault. The best Players have left the league. He had great performances, but he did not have to work hard.
Sorry to split hair but he has citizenship but is he is not german. Just Finnish guy who played in Germany.
Well despite playing in a "low level league" he sure has potential, maybe not McDavid level but still very potential prospect.
Ethnic background isn't really a factor in Germany (anymore), if someone good enough is eligible then he should be pursued. I think it can be attractive also to some players who would consider a stronger national team their primary option but are unable to make it, in soccer this is obviously how many German-born and trained players ultimately end up playing for different national teams.
Yes, I realize this, maybe i‘m just old fashioned but I prefer that players are tied to the country by ancestry rather than just working there. Maybe I need to update my point of view.
Generally speaking, players aren't considered for honorary citizenship if their national team representation would be on the youth level...
Sure, I don't mean handing over passports for that specific purpose, rather scouting players that already happen to have one even if they're not a part of the German youth system (yet). In soccer several federations like Poland and Turkey have scouts in Germany only for that purpose, of course in German hockey the resources are not the same but discovering someone like Kölzig is easily worth some investment.
Discovering Kölzig? Am I missing something here?
Kölzig was selected to play for Canada in juniors, but turned out to be ineligible as he had only German citizenship. Many years later his Washington teammate Stefan Ustorf found out about the situation and told about it to DEB, so they merely got lucky.
Yes I know this story, I just misunderstood your post.
"Kolzig's parents were German, which is why he had the German passport. He lived in Germany for only six months when he was a toddler before eventually moving to Edmonton, but said he never thought about getting his Canadian citizenship."
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