International: German Junior National Teams
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Judging by the size of their roster, they just didn’t want to have a large camp roster. Just nominated whoever they want to play and replace as necessary. Assuming they wanted as few people as possible/necessary due to covid.
Halfdan
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Logical conclusion and not absurd, only the camps of the German team are rarely larger in the final phase of the nomination. 40-45 players in the camp, as with other teams, is not possible in Germany. There is a lack of money and suitable candidates.
U18 Worlds camp roster has been announced: U18-Männer-Nationalmannschaft testet in Phase zwei der WM-Vorbereitung zweimal gegen die Schweiz | Deutscher Eishockey-Bund e.V.
What do you all think the lineup could look like? Obviously tough to predict lines and I'm not overly familiar with the D group but this is what I think it could be:
Lutz - Hänelt - Kechter
Roßmy - Proske - Elias
Heigl - Heigl - Cimmerman
Niedenz - van Calster - Korte
Klein - Fischer
Rausch - Gottwald
Mayr - Winkelmann
Quapp
Ganz
Didn't add extras at any position because that's where I think it can definitely get quite "random" but I'm fairly confident that this is who we'll see at forward and in net.
Lutz - Hänelt - Kechter
Roßmy - Proske - Elias
Heigl - Heigl - Cimmerman
Niedenz - van Calster - Korte
Klein - Fischer
Rausch - Gottwald
Mayr - Winkelmann
Quapp
Ganz
Didn't add extras at any position because that's where I think it can definitely get quite "random" but I'm fairly confident that this is who we'll see at forward and in net.
The DEB released the squad for the U18WC. Unfortunately Hafenrichter and Kechter are not nominated. What do you think about the squad?
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| GK | Babulis | Rihards | 19.03.2003 | Eisbären Juniors Berlin |
| GK | Ganz | Luca | 21.04.2003 | Jungadler Mannheim |
| GK | Quapp | Nikita | 25.01.2003 | Krefeld Pinguine |
| GK | Wolf | Simon | 23.07.2004 | Red Bull Hockey Akademie |
| DF | Bettahar | Rayan | 22.04.2004 | Jungadler Mannheim |
| DF | Bidoul | Philipp | 22.05.2003 | ESV Kaufbeuren |
| DF | Fischer | Sten | 25.01.2003 | Red Bull Hockey Akademie |
| DF | Gottwald | Michael | 14.01.2003 | Starbulls Rosenheim |
| DF | Hane | Niklas | 29.05.2003 | Düsseldorfer EG |
| DF | Klein | Adrian | 19.09.2003 | Straubing Tigers |
| DF | Krenzlin | Malte | 10.08.2003 | Jungadler Mannheim |
| DF | Mayr | Sandro | 30.08.2003 | EC Bad Nauheim |
| DF | Rausch | Maxim | 18.02.2003 | EHC Freiburg |
| DF | Wäser | Julian | 27.01.2003 | Lidingö Vikings/SWE |
| DF | Winkelmann | Marius | 03.05.2003 | Red Bull Hockey Akademie |
| FW | Cimmermann | Sebastian | 14.02.2003 | Red Bull Hockey Akademie |
| FW | Elias | Moritz | 10.03.2004 | Jungadler Mannheim |
| FW | Feist | Philip | 04.08.2003 | Red Bull Hockey Akademie |
| FW | Grimm | Yuma | 30.04.2003 | Eisbären Juniors Berlin |
| FW | Handschuh | Kevin | 08.02.2003 | Eisbären Juniors Berlin |
| FW | Hauf | Luca | 11.01.2004 | Krefelder EV 81 |
| FW | Hecht | Philip | 14.05.2003 | Jungadler Mannheim |
| FW | Heigl | Nikolaus | 20.01.2003 | Red Bull Hockey Akademie |
| FW | Heigl | Thomas | 20.01.2003 | Red Bull Hockey Akademie |
| FW | Heim | Maximilian | 22.10.2003 | Jungadler Mannheim |
| FW | Korte | Connor | 31.01.2003 | HC Davos/SUI |
| FW | Lutz | Julian | 29.02.2004 | Red Bull Hockey Akademie |
| FW | Niedenz | Kevin | 02.04.2003 | Kölner EC |
| FW | Proske | Yannik | 10.06.2003 | Iserlohn Roosters |
| FW | Roßmy | Bennet | 01.08.2003 | Lausitzer Füchse |
| FW | Steck | Pascal | 07.08.2003 | Kölner EC |
| FW | Steinberger | Leon | 13.08.2003 | Augsburger EV |
| FW | Van Calster | Robin | 18.03.2003 | Kölner EC |
| FW | Zap | Roman | 05.05.2003 | Jungadler Mannheim |
Pretty suprised that the 2 of them did not make the team. I thought Kechter would be a lock at least. Still think it's an interesting roster as it has been a weird year for that age group. Some rarely got to play, others got a shot playing with men early on.
99% sure that Kechter, Hafenrichter and Hanelt are out with Covid. They didn’t cut players, they replaced the ones who aren’t there anymore.
I believe Hänelt is out with an ankle injury.
In any case, VERY disappointing to see these three young men out.
But are they out for good?
The team doesn't fly until the 19th and the list above is now a tick more than 2 days old.
Assuming that Hänelt, Kechter, and Hafenrichter are all out (although the DEB is NOT reporting that - which gives hope. They were very quick to report who was out of roster contention for the U20 although the event was up to 3+ weeks away), I'd say these will be the 25 names from that list that we'll see in Texas, granted there are no more injuries or Corona outbreaks.
GK:
Nikita Quapp
Simon Wolf
Luca Ganz
D:
Adrian Klein
Michael Gottwald
Philipp Bidoul
Niklas Hane
Sandro Mayr
Maxim Rausch
Sten Fischer
Marius Winkelmann
F:
Julian Lutz
Connor Korte
Sebastian Cimmermann
Luca Hauf
Moritz Elias
Bennett Rossmy
Yannik Proske
Nikolaus Heigl
Thomas Heigl
Kevin Niedenz
Robin van Calster
Philip Feist
Philip Hecht
Leon Steinberger
GK:
Nikita Quapp
Simon Wolf
Luca Ganz
D:
Adrian Klein
Michael Gottwald
Philipp Bidoul
Niklas Hane
Sandro Mayr
Maxim Rausch
Sten Fischer
Marius Winkelmann
F:
Julian Lutz
Connor Korte
Sebastian Cimmermann
Luca Hauf
Moritz Elias
Bennett Rossmy
Yannik Proske
Nikolaus Heigl
Thomas Heigl
Kevin Niedenz
Robin van Calster
Philip Feist
Philip Hecht
Leon Steinberger
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3 Games - 3 loss for the U18 Team. Did anybody watch the games? Whats your oppinion? Do the guys performe well? What about the NHL-Prospects like Quapp, Rossmy, Cimmermann, Lutz & Hauf?
Lutz and Hauf haven't been as effective as expected. You see glimpses of Lutz, but he hasn't had even one, let's say, dominant shift yet. He has created very few opportunities, by and large. I honestly didn't think he'd be shut down this much. You see him chasing the play a lot.
Rossmy is staying interesting and has done a few nice things, but has also had plenty of lost pucks or ineffective shifts. His late hit in Game 2 wasn't at all necessary and could have cost him Game 3.
Quapp has been fine. He did well against the Czechs and Russians, but didn't really stand on his head in either.
Cimmermann had a goal and it was pretty nice, but one a goalie should actually stop. Otherwise, he really hasn't stood out.
If I had to say which guys have "stood out" the most, it'd be some of the guys no-one really knew about. We've seen Zap all over the place and Mayr has gotten better and better every game. He looks like the team's best skater. I've liked what I've seen from Korte, who has gotten little ice time and Proske has had some nice shifts, but isn't as defensively effective as I had suspected. Van Calster had some solid shifts and Niedenz also popped out positively at times.
The Heigls have both been very visible, with and without the puck and moreso than linemate Cimmermann.
Klein has had some nice shifts and both Rausch and Krenzlin have thrown some nice hits. Fischer seems to get the most ice time of any Dman, but he's had plenty of mistakes.
The team's best game was against the US, but the US has been having some real problems. The worst game was against the Czechs. That pivotal match just came too early. It was winnable, but simply too many little mistakes and turnovers, as well as some poor decisions along the way. They were great against Russia at times, but the Russian offensive machine just wasn't something they could stop.
Bettahar had about the best hit of the tournament and, I thought, it was pretty fair and at most worth a charging penalty. The Russian had his head down while grabbing the puck and remained "lifeless" on the ice for several minutes. Bettahar got a 5 minute penalty and game misconduct. The Russian player was out for the very next shift on the power play. That really reeked of the almost typical call based on the result as opposed to the actual incorrectness of the hit itself.
All in all, the Germans have looked like a team that had little preparation and no time to develop the necessary chemistry. This Team #GER looks like it could have put on a much different face with 3 weeks of ice time and 4 or 5 test games in between.
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@Chapin Landvogt Interesting writeup, thanks! I'll add my comments in the quote below to get the discussion going. 
Two more players I'd like to highlight are Niedenz and van Calster. Van Calster was a big standout for me in the pre-tournament game vs. Latvia and also in the first game vs. CZE. Standout here in the sense of surprising me with flashes of skill and skating ability. He's someone that seemed to regress as the tournament went on, though. Maybe because he wasn't used to playing a lot of games anymore... Niedenz is a player that I was looking forward to seeing again because he has great individual skill and is able to handle the puck at speed as well. But he, too, was entirely ineffective. Too bad!
Overall, I'd say I'm not surprised about the tournament result but they were better than expected against the US. The first game vs. CZE was indeed awful and they did a great job recovering from that and improving game-to-game, even though Russia and Finland were too good to keep up with. Hänelt as 1C certainly could have helped. I think a top line of Rossmy-Hänelt-Lutz could have done some damage (i.e. scored a goal or two haha).
Two more players I'd like to highlight are Niedenz and van Calster. Van Calster was a big standout for me in the pre-tournament game vs. Latvia and also in the first game vs. CZE. Standout here in the sense of surprising me with flashes of skill and skating ability. He's someone that seemed to regress as the tournament went on, though. Maybe because he wasn't used to playing a lot of games anymore... Niedenz is a player that I was looking forward to seeing again because he has great individual skill and is able to handle the puck at speed as well. But he, too, was entirely ineffective. Too bad!
Overall, I'd say I'm not surprised about the tournament result but they were better than expected against the US. The first game vs. CZE was indeed awful and they did a great job recovering from that and improving game-to-game, even though Russia and Finland were too good to keep up with. Hänelt as 1C certainly could have helped. I think a top line of Rossmy-Hänelt-Lutz could have done some damage (i.e. scored a goal or two haha).
The 10-0 against Finland:
- I admit, I didn't see much after the 30th minute. I don't have any comments about the players.
- Seems to me that Germany got a number of penalties for being physical, incuding following through with checks. There's a difference between a late hit and actually making contact in the very second the opponent is moving the puck, but penalties were being given when Finnish players found themselves down on their backs. In light of Bettahar having gotten a 5-min penalty and game misconduct for hitting a Russian square on in what might not be called whatsoever in pro ranks, and what seemed like plenty of calls against i.e. Rausch, who was physical throughout, it seems like the mandate for this IIHF event certainly didn't benefit kids who were used to playing in pro leagues this past winter.
- I'm sure Ziesche has his reasons, but starting the third string goalie who has only played twice the entire season, both times last fall, benefitted absolutely no-one. Not only was the team down 2-0 in no time flat (I don't even think Finland had taken 5 shots), but it was already 5-0 after 13 minutes. In addition, Quapp is battling to get drafted this year. I'm very certain, the scouts would have been MUCH MORE interested in seeing him fare against a high-flying team like Finland. And if not Quapp, Wolf is basically Germany's top goaltending prospect for the 2022 draft. As such, I have no idea who this benefitted? At the very least, it was not a decision made to give your team its best opportunity to win right from the get-go. Seems like Ziesche could have easily started one of the other two and brought in Ganz a bit later, if indeed it was all about giving the young man some U18 experience.
- I admit, I didn't see much after the 30th minute. I don't have any comments about the players.
- Seems to me that Germany got a number of penalties for being physical, incuding following through with checks. There's a difference between a late hit and actually making contact in the very second the opponent is moving the puck, but penalties were being given when Finnish players found themselves down on their backs. In light of Bettahar having gotten a 5-min penalty and game misconduct for hitting a Russian square on in what might not be called whatsoever in pro ranks, and what seemed like plenty of calls against i.e. Rausch, who was physical throughout, it seems like the mandate for this IIHF event certainly didn't benefit kids who were used to playing in pro leagues this past winter.
- I'm sure Ziesche has his reasons, but starting the third string goalie who has only played twice the entire season, both times last fall, benefitted absolutely no-one. Not only was the team down 2-0 in no time flat (I don't even think Finland had taken 5 shots), but it was already 5-0 after 13 minutes. In addition, Quapp is battling to get drafted this year. I'm very certain, the scouts would have been MUCH MORE interested in seeing him fare against a high-flying team like Finland. And if not Quapp, Wolf is basically Germany's top goaltending prospect for the 2022 draft. As such, I have no idea who this benefitted? At the very least, it was not a decision made to give your team its best opportunity to win right from the get-go. Seems like Ziesche could have easily started one of the other two and brought in Ganz a bit later, if indeed it was all about giving the young man some U18 experience.
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To clarify, I didn't think Zap was particularly good.
He seemed to be very involved and active, especially in a forechecking capacity. Since I had never really seen him play, this popped out at me.
His hands were basically stone though, even if his move on the penalty shot wasn't entirely bad. A number of plays seemed to die when it was up to him to do something with the puck.
In general, "turnovers" is a key word with respect to this group and how it finished at this tournament. Whether forced, or even worse, unforced, the team simply gave up the puck on too many occasions to actually compete against the teams in their group.
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Gretzky Hlinka Cup:
This will be starting up real soon. Germany replaces Canada in this tourney.
The first game against Sweden can be seen here right now:
This will be starting up real soon. Germany replaces Canada in this tourney.
The first game against Sweden can be seen here right now:
Could not watch the game live, but I did watch it in the evening.
Here are some of my thoughts on the game:
Forwards:
I knew I liked a lot about this group, but I was really impressed how well especially the players further down the lineup handled themselves against the Swedes.
Considering my expectations I was pleasantly surprised by players like Eric Hördler, Lukas Ullmann, Veit Oswald or Matthias Pischoff to name just a few.
Julian Lutz had a somewhat quiet game, but you could still tell that he is a high end talent. He does so many things well, but I am a little confused that the last couple of times I saw him play against his peers his motor seemed a bit lacking. That was totally different when I saw him play with Munich last year.
Luca Hauf and Roman Kechter were in my opinion the the two top forwards in this game. Both showed clearly that they can hang with this Swedish team and both may have a chance to surpass Lutz as the top rated German prospect for the 2022 draft.
I did not notice Moritz Elias that much, but when I did, he was really good and his shot to make it 2-2 was really nice. (All three German goals were quite beautiful)
Another forward that stood out to me was Philipp Krening. He was a nice fit for the line with Kechter and Lutz and played his role on the line perfectly. I honestly did not expect him to do as well as he did.
Defensemen:
Compared to my high expectations I was slightly disappointed in Leo Hafenrichter, though I thought he got better as the game went on, and you could see glimpses of his talent.
On the negative side there were some boneheaded plays/penalties by Hübner and Bettahar (but both also had some good moments winning puck battles or making big hits) nad Mason Sturm looked at times a little overwhelmed, but got much better after the first period. Pretty much all of the defenders had ups and downs, but overall as a group they did much better against a tough opponent than I expected, but they also got good support from the forwards and their goalie.
Goalie:
I really suck at evaluating goalies, but I have been fairly high on Simon Wolf for a couple of years now, and I thought he played very well. Ther were a few situations where he got lost a little, but for the most part it looked to me like he was moving quickly and was tracking the puck well and his rebound control also looked good to me for the most part.
I hope someone who knows more about goalies can confirm this, but I feel like Wolf could be a legit prospect for the NHL draft. But since I have been horribly wrong on almost every goalie I rated before, I will temper my expectations.
I don't know if I will be able to watch the rest of the games., but I hope the team continues to play well.
Here are some of my thoughts on the game:
Forwards:
I knew I liked a lot about this group, but I was really impressed how well especially the players further down the lineup handled themselves against the Swedes.
Considering my expectations I was pleasantly surprised by players like Eric Hördler, Lukas Ullmann, Veit Oswald or Matthias Pischoff to name just a few.
Julian Lutz had a somewhat quiet game, but you could still tell that he is a high end talent. He does so many things well, but I am a little confused that the last couple of times I saw him play against his peers his motor seemed a bit lacking. That was totally different when I saw him play with Munich last year.
Luca Hauf and Roman Kechter were in my opinion the the two top forwards in this game. Both showed clearly that they can hang with this Swedish team and both may have a chance to surpass Lutz as the top rated German prospect for the 2022 draft.
I did not notice Moritz Elias that much, but when I did, he was really good and his shot to make it 2-2 was really nice. (All three German goals were quite beautiful)
Another forward that stood out to me was Philipp Krening. He was a nice fit for the line with Kechter and Lutz and played his role on the line perfectly. I honestly did not expect him to do as well as he did.
Defensemen:
Compared to my high expectations I was slightly disappointed in Leo Hafenrichter, though I thought he got better as the game went on, and you could see glimpses of his talent.
On the negative side there were some boneheaded plays/penalties by Hübner and Bettahar (but both also had some good moments winning puck battles or making big hits) nad Mason Sturm looked at times a little overwhelmed, but got much better after the first period. Pretty much all of the defenders had ups and downs, but overall as a group they did much better against a tough opponent than I expected, but they also got good support from the forwards and their goalie.
Goalie:
I really suck at evaluating goalies, but I have been fairly high on Simon Wolf for a couple of years now, and I thought he played very well. Ther were a few situations where he got lost a little, but for the most part it looked to me like he was moving quickly and was tracking the puck well and his rebound control also looked good to me for the most part.
I hope someone who knows more about goalies can confirm this, but I feel like Wolf could be a legit prospect for the NHL draft. But since I have been horribly wrong on almost every goalie I rated before, I will temper my expectations.
I don't know if I will be able to watch the rest of the games., but I hope the team continues to play well.
An U16 tournament will start on Thursday in Füssen. Germany will play against Austria (Thursday), Switzerland (Friday) and Belarus (Saturday).
This is the roster for the German team:
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Most of the teams are from last season and some players may have changed teams since then.
The players I am most curious about (that doesn't necessarily mean they are the best players from this group) are Max Herzog, Rio Kaiser, Luis Kuehberger, Bennet Otten, Colin Schlenker and Finn Serikow.
All information about the tournament (including links to live streams) can be found here:
Hockey is Diversity - Tournament Berlin
This is the roster for the German team:
| Pos | Player | Team | DOB |
| F | Nikolas Biggins | Jungadler Mannheim U17 | 02.06.2006 |
| F | Maximilian Brunner | EHC Straubing U17 | 12.01.2006 |
| F | Leon Bußmann | EHC München U17 | 24.03.2006 |
| G | Erik Eder | EHC 80 Nürnberg U17 | 18.01.2006 |
| G | Michail Elagin | Jungadler Mannheim U17 | 08.01.2006 |
| D | Noah Hahn | Iserlohner EC U17 | 04.10.2006 |
| D | Max Hense | Krefelder EV U17 | 01.03.2006 |
| F | Max Herzog | Jungadler Mannheim U17 | 27.04.2006 |
| D | Rio Kaiser | Red Bull Salzburg U16 | 07.10.2006 |
| F | Felix Kerbel | Red Bull Salzburg U16 | 08.05.2006 |
| F | Luis Kuehberger | East Coast Militia | 28.03.2006 |
| F | Nick Maul | Red Bull Salzburg U16 | 09.04.2006 |
| D | Maximilian Merkl | EHC 80 Nürnberg U17 | 2006 |
| F | Bennet Otten | Düsseldorfer EG U17 | 04.01.2006 |
| D | Matthias Pape | Krefelder EV U17 | 06.05.2006 |
| F | Elias Pul | Red Bull Salzburg U16 | 15.05.2006 |
| D | Manuel Schams | Jungadler Mannheim U17 | 26.01.2006 |
| D | Colin Schlenker | Schwenninger ERC U17 | 08.04.2006 |
| F | Tim Schütz | Krefelder EV U17 | 19.04.2006 |
| F | Tobias Schwarz | EV Landshut U17 | 05.04.2006 |
| F | Clemens Seeger | Krefelder EV U17 | 17.09.2006 |
| F | Simon Seidl | EV Landshut U17 | 04.06.2006 |
| D | Finn Serikow | EV Landshut U17 | 16.11.2006 |
| G | Linus Vieillard | Eisbären Juniors Berlin U17 | 15.02.2006 |
Most of the teams are from last season and some players may have changed teams since then.
The players I am most curious about (that doesn't necessarily mean they are the best players from this group) are Max Herzog, Rio Kaiser, Luis Kuehberger, Bennet Otten, Colin Schlenker and Finn Serikow.
All information about the tournament (including links to live streams) can be found here:
Hockey is Diversity - Tournament Berlin
Will add the U17 team shortly. They are right now playing against Switzerland. If you want to watch:
Here is the U17 roster for the tournament in Switzerland:
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| Pos | Player | Team | DOB |
| F | Leon Bauhof | Schwenninger ERC U17 | 30.07.2005 |
| F | Kevin Bicker | Jungadler Mannheim U17 | 29.01.2005 |
| D | Lars Bosecker | RB Hockey Akademie U18 | 18.09.2005 |
| F | Linus Brandl | Jungadler Mannheim U17 | 01.04.2005 |
| F | Jonas Fischer | ESV Kaufbeuren U17 | 05.01.2005 |
| F | Mika Hupach | RB Hockey Akademie U18 | 07.01.2005 |
| F | Luca Kinzel | HC Davos U17 | 18.07.2005 |
| F | Chris Kirschenbauer | Sandvikens IK J20 | 24.02.2005 |
| D | Tjark Kölsch | Jungadler Mannheim U17 | 10.02.2005 |
| F | Lukas Kopietz | Düsseldorfer EG U17 | 18.06.2005 |
| D | Kilian Kühnhauser | Starbulls Rosenheim U17 | 09.02.2005 |
| D | Paul Lemke | RB Hockey Akademie U18 | 22.03.2005 |
| D | Paul Mayer | ESV Kaufbeuren U17 | 25.09.2005 |
| D | Lua Niehus | Jungadler Mannheim U17 | 26.03.2005 |
| G | Nico Pertuch | EV Landshut U17 | 29.07.2005 |
| F | Timo Ruckdäschel | RB Hockey Akademie U18 | 01.04.2005 |
| F | Vadim Schreiner | RB Hockey Akademie U18 | 25.08.2005 |
| F | Julius Sumpf | RB Hockey Akademie U18 | 11.01.2005 |
| D | Edwin Tropmann | Kölner Junghaie U17 | 05.10.2005 |
| F | Paul Vinzens | RB Hockey Akademie U18 | 21.09.2005 |
| D | Alexander Vladelchtchikov | Kölner Junghaie U17 | 18.01.2005 |
| G | Leon Willerscheid | Kölner Junghaie U17 | 10.04.2005 |
Are there any players who maybe will have a NHL-future like the 2004er Lutz, Kechter and Hafenrichter?
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