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guitarhunterdude
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GuerinUp
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mostly out of fear that greenway take off this season too. I think the chances he stays are higher than he moves.
Long term, the problem with keeping Dumba is that we will have too much money in our D. That's where the Zuccarello deal kills us. It's possible that we can finesse the cap, though, as long as we don't give a guy like Foligno silly money, or don't sign a high price FA.
I don't agree that Menell is a " solid" defender, although what exactly he is at the NHL level remaims to be seen. He is, hopefully, a better defender than Hunt. He is also not very big, nor physical. He is an offense first RHD, like Dumba and Addison.
Playing good defense in the NHL is hard. Thats what we hope ROR will be able to do in a few years.
I don't agree that Menell is a " solid" defender, although what exactly he is at the NHL level remaims to be seen. He is, hopefully, a better defender than Hunt. He is also not very big, nor physical. He is an offense first RHD, like Dumba and Addison.
Playing good defense in the NHL is hard. Thats what we hope ROR will be able to do in a few years.
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Yeah, but my point was that offense is his game, not defense. Dumba is more of a physical specimen, with great tools. Very aggressive, with somewhat suspect judgement at times. Menell is the sort of player who has to have great judgment, because he doesn't have great size, strength, speed, or shot. His lack of size and strength will hurt him in the D zone.
Since we have really good defensive Dmen at LHD, the fact that Menell and Addison are offensively inclined and defensively challenged shouldn't hurt us much.
Since we have really good defensive Dmen at LHD, the fact that Menell and Addison are offensively inclined and defensively challenged shouldn't hurt us much.
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I think the only reason you trade Dumba at this point if Rossi takes off is to protect a Greenway if he emerges due to a wealth of riches at RHD.
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Greenway would have to become a 70+ point player for me to trade Dumba just to protect him.
That said I don't think you're going to get good value for Dumba at ALL unless a few things happen. (due to expansion draft)
1. Dumba has a flat our ridiculous season and it's a no brainer for a team that thinks they are a move away from winning the cup to bring someone in and screw the expansion draft.
2. A good team has significant injuries at a the D spot.
3. A GM of another team forgets their is an expansion draft coming up.
I think what is likely to happen come expansion draft time is we protect Dumba and ask Parise to waive his movement clause and protect Greenway.
We then lose Menell and Soucy.
At this point I would say it's much more likely a Greenway, Soucy, or Menell trade happens before a Dumba trade.
If I haven't made in clear in my few week long posting spree I'm ALL for getting as much value as I can to prevent losing a good player for nothing. If I'm the Wild GM I'm hell bent on making sure the best player we expose is Soucy. (And I value Menell more than Soucy if that also hasn't been clear)
I dunno about 70 points.
I think a Greenway type of player that consistently puts up around 50 is just as valuable to a team with a 70 point player that lacks the tools a guy like Greenway has.
You're talking
1. Size and skating ability combo that you just don't find in every single draft.
2. A team where our young core forwards Rossi, Fiala, Kaprizov are not blessed with a ton of size.
3. Potential grit and grinding ability a large guy that skates well is really nice when the puck gets dumped in the offensive zone
4. Projects as a 2-way power forward which we don't have any of those unless Boldy pans out.
I totally respect your take but if Greenway ends up being a (on pace due to shortened season) 20 goals, 30 assists type of guy while contributing in all of these other areas that's the type of top 6 forward you keep around for ten years. That type of guy is a playoff nightmare.
If he some how craps out 50 points while getting knocked off the puck, shows no interest defensively, and shows 0 grit while battling for the puck then yeah I agree shed the guy and get a pick. I don't see that happening though. I like Greenway a lot and he's doing a lot of work this offseason. I'm literally just as excited to see what Greenway becomes this season as I am Fiala, Kap, and Rossi.
1. Dumba has a flat our ridiculous season and it's a no brainer for a team that thinks they are a move away from winning the cup to bring someone in and screw the expansion draft.
2. A good team has significant injuries at a the D spot.
3. A GM of another team forgets their is an expansion draft coming up.
I think what is likely to happen come expansion draft time is we protect Dumba and ask Parise to waive his movement clause and protect Greenway.
We then lose Menell and Soucy.
At this point I would say it's much more likely a Greenway, Soucy, or Menell trade happens before a Dumba trade.
If I haven't made in clear in my few week long posting spree I'm ALL for getting as much value as I can to prevent losing a good player for nothing. If I'm the Wild GM I'm hell bent on making sure the best player we expose is Soucy. (And I value Menell more than Soucy if that also hasn't been clear)
I dunno about 70 points.
I think a Greenway type of player that consistently puts up around 50 is just as valuable to a team with a 70 point player that lacks the tools a guy like Greenway has.
You're talking
1. Size and skating ability combo that you just don't find in every single draft.
2. A team where our young core forwards Rossi, Fiala, Kaprizov are not blessed with a ton of size.
3. Potential grit and grinding ability a large guy that skates well is really nice when the puck gets dumped in the offensive zone
4. Projects as a 2-way power forward which we don't have any of those unless Boldy pans out.
I totally respect your take but if Greenway ends up being a (on pace due to shortened season) 20 goals, 30 assists type of guy while contributing in all of these other areas that's the type of top 6 forward you keep around for ten years. That type of guy is a playoff nightmare.
If he some how craps out 50 points while getting knocked off the puck, shows no interest defensively, and shows 0 grit while battling for the puck then yeah I agree shed the guy and get a pick. I don't see that happening though. I like Greenway a lot and he's doing a lot of work this offseason. I'm literally just as excited to see what Greenway becomes this season as I am Fiala, Kap, and Rossi.
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Al Lagoon
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Just thinking back to the Wild giving away Haula and Tuch to Vegas.
Mennell is a pretty easy give in comparison.
Knock on wood quickly.
Watch now he's going to become a franchise altering player while leading Seattle to 10 cup wins.
While that's happening the Wild's core of Rossi, Kaprizov, Greenway, and Fiala all became great - almost legendary, but had to meet Seattle every year in the playoffs and got eliminated every time on multi-goal performances by the dynamic future hall of famer and best player in NHL history Brennan god damned Menell.
Minnesota sports curse makes this plausible.
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If you told me Greenway would produce at a 25+25-ish pace over 82 with it looking sustainable and Eriksson Ek is the same player he was this past season, I would protect Greenway over Eriksson Ek. Becomes much easier if one of Bonino/Bjugstad can be re-signed to play a 3C role(Or Sturm looks capable for that role), because that is what Eriksson Ek is at this point. For me, I don't believe Greenway is that player based on what I've seen, so this seems unlikely.
It gets complicated if both players show that kind of improvement and Parise is unwilling to waive. Which is when a Zuccarello buy-out makes sense(Parise's contract is buy-out proof basically) in the case that Dumba isn't moved, which is something I do not believe is imminent(or likely). Paying Seattle is an option, but who knows what the cost would be. If Seattle is getting an AHL team(?) they'll probably want someone who can immediately play there(like Tuch was to Vegas), so Beckman/Addison(Khovanov if he gets going, Jones I guess might work if they like him, don't think Giroux/Dewar can make that case) would seem to be the cost. I don't mind paying that price(Beckman or Addison + they take Soucy or Menell) if this team looks like the 16/17 team did(would imply Zuccarello also shows improvement), but again, I don't see that as likely.
Basically Greenway needs to reach 16/17 Nino production for me to force a move. Parise waiving is something worth asking regardless, but not worth counting on.
It gets complicated if both players show that kind of improvement and Parise is unwilling to waive. Which is when a Zuccarello buy-out makes sense(Parise's contract is buy-out proof basically) in the case that Dumba isn't moved, which is something I do not believe is imminent(or likely). Paying Seattle is an option, but who knows what the cost would be. If Seattle is getting an AHL team(?) they'll probably want someone who can immediately play there(like Tuch was to Vegas), so Beckman/Addison(Khovanov if he gets going, Jones I guess might work if they like him, don't think Giroux/Dewar can make that case) would seem to be the cost. I don't mind paying that price(Beckman or Addison + they take Soucy or Menell) if this team looks like the 16/17 team did(would imply Zuccarello also shows improvement), but again, I don't see that as likely.
Basically Greenway needs to reach 16/17 Nino production for me to force a move. Parise waiving is something worth asking regardless, but not worth counting on.
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"Despite having some questions around him, Hunt should still be considered a top-end defensive prospect. At worst, he could fall to the late third-round if teams are concerned about his injury and missed playing time in 2019-20.
However, Hunt has enough upside that a franchise might want to take a chance on him as early as the late second-round. While he would need time to develop his game, he has the potential to be a great pick for a team willing to give him the right opportunities."
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don't know anything about him but looks like a high potential pick who fell due to missing time and an injury in a potentially historically deep draft.
The more I look at our recent draft here the more I like it.
Five players who all have extremely high upside.
This may end up being the best draft we've ever put together.
However, Hunt has enough upside that a franchise might want to take a chance on him as early as the late second-round. While he would need time to develop his game, he has the potential to be a great pick for a team willing to give him the right opportunities."
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don't know anything about him but looks like a high potential pick who fell due to missing time and an injury in a potentially historically deep draft.
The more I look at our recent draft here the more I like it.
Five players who all have extremely high upside.
This may end up being the best draft we've ever put together.
ROR and Hunt coming up around the same time looks really exciting.
Two big bodied dman one a LD, one a RD.
Both have solid potential at both ends from what I'm reading.
Will be interesting to see what kind of moves get made in 2-3 years. I'm knocking on wood but I'm really happy with our d-corps now and have always been slightly concerned about our window and how it associates with our current d-corps.
Taking a closer look over the last couple hours here I think we are going to be at least solid on defense for a long long time.
Next draft isn't as deep as this last draft they say, but it looks like it's very deep defensively. After the next draft I don't think we'll have to make a dire free agent signing or trade for a defenseman barring a cataclysmic event for the next ten years.
Maybe I'll be wrong.
But it just feels nice to be have a good outlook for our future with what's arriving or has arrived and what we have in the pool.
I haven't felt this good about where we sit for the long term out look ever.
Even after the Parise and Suter deals and the prospect pool that was hyped up at the time, that moment still had the looming thunderclouds of those massive contracts just being inked that we were all worried about.
Two big bodied dman one a LD, one a RD.
Both have solid potential at both ends from what I'm reading.
Will be interesting to see what kind of moves get made in 2-3 years. I'm knocking on wood but I'm really happy with our d-corps now and have always been slightly concerned about our window and how it associates with our current d-corps.
Taking a closer look over the last couple hours here I think we are going to be at least solid on defense for a long long time.
Next draft isn't as deep as this last draft they say, but it looks like it's very deep defensively. After the next draft I don't think we'll have to make a dire free agent signing or trade for a defenseman barring a cataclysmic event for the next ten years.
Maybe I'll be wrong.
But it just feels nice to be have a good outlook for our future with what's arriving or has arrived and what we have in the pool.
I haven't felt this good about where we sit for the long term out look ever.
Even after the Parise and Suter deals and the prospect pool that was hyped up at the time, that moment still had the looming thunderclouds of those massive contracts just being inked that we were all worried about.
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