News Article: Gardiner update looking positive

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SHANNYPLAN

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What about:

Rielly Hainsey (proven pair)
Muzzin Dermott (Dermott can play RHD and is closer to a Rielly)
Gards Z (have played together in the past)
I like this. I would like to seperate Jake and Zaitsev though. I dont know what it is, but they look AWFUL together.
 
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Great news. Gards and Dermy are big losses and great at moving the puck. Any team that loses two of their top 4 will struggle mightily. As we have. Can't wait for them to be back.
 

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dermott is easily better than zaitsev, and it's not really close.

He's much a much better puck moving dman, yes he is.

He also gives up almost as many scoring chances and more goals/60 while being one of the most sheltered players in the league. Did you see what happened last year when he got caught out against Bostons top lines? I member. You know how important QoC and usage are so dont start selectively applying them after preaching their value.

Move Zaitsev down to play with him and Hainsey to play with Gards or some other such combo is a better idea.
 
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close enough

I love how he has the state of mind to cover his mouth knowing that a camera is certainly going to be on him in that situation. lol
 
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The CyNick

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You think we're 6 deep? We have two guys injured and we're still icing 6 Dmen, back to math class for you.

I really think that like I said, the only blowhard around here is you. You might want to give that some thought, the pile of evidence is growing.

I'm saying we needed at least 8 quality NHL Dmen to go through the season accounting for injury. We're lucky if we have 6. The young GM thought we had good enough depth. He's been proven wrong...again. it's a pattern with this guy. Seems to have elementary skills at evaluating talent at the NHL level.
 

The CyNick

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No GM plans for both their NHL and AHL team to get injuries in the same position at the same time. We have better replacements just they are injured.

So you think relying on people who have yet to crack an NHL lineup on a regular basis constitute good depth? Don't feel bad if you do. Apparently it puts you on a hockey knowledge level worthy of being GM the Leafs.
 

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Best news I've heard all week. We need those boys back pronto.
 

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So you think relying on people who have yet to crack an NHL lineup on a regular basis constitute good depth? Don't feel bad if you do. Apparently it puts you on a hockey knowledge level worthy of being GM the Leafs.
The AHL guys injured (Rosen Borgman) are both a superior upgrade on Marincin and Holl. They were in the A because they would be wasted sitting in the press box all season. Thats what guys like M & H r 4. As FILLER. If the other 2 were healthy they would be up and playing. End of story.
 

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I'm saying we needed at least 8 quality NHL Dmen to go through the season accounting for injury. We're lucky if we have 6. The young GM thought we had good enough depth. He's been proven wrong...again. it's a pattern with this guy. Seems to have elementary skills at evaluating talent at the NHL level.

Who is to say he didn't make calls, kick the proverbial tires, for more D? Making a deal for the sake of making a deal isn't good. Plus....Gardiner's injury wasn't known at the time, how serious it was, and Dermott wasn't hurt either.
 

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Who is to say he didn't make calls, kick the proverbial tires, for more D? Making a deal for the sake of making a deal isn't good. Plus....Gardiner's injury wasn't known at the time, how serious it was, and Dermott wasn't hurt either.
I thought they did know about Gardiner?
 

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I hope he'll be well rested and ready to go this post season.
 

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So you think relying on people who have yet to crack an NHL lineup on a regular basis constitute good depth? Don't feel bad if you do. Apparently it puts you on a hockey knowledge level worthy of being GM the Leafs.

We have 4 injuries, 2 in the AHL and 2 in the NHL. The AHL guys we'd call up are injured. Exactly how deep do you think a teams defense pool should be? No team carries two NHL skilled vets for injury replacement. It's a waste of cap space.
 

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I'm saying we needed at least 8 quality NHL Dmen to go through the season accounting for injury. We're lucky if we have 6. The young GM thought we had good enough depth. He's been proven wrong...again. it's a pattern with this guy. Seems to have elementary skills at evaluating talent at the NHL level.

Friendly tip - someone who doesn't understand that 6+2 != 6 shouldn't talk about "elementary skills".

So you think relying on people who have yet to crack an NHL lineup on a regular basis constitute good depth? Don't feel bad if you do. Apparently it puts you on a hockey knowledge level worthy of being GM the Leafs.

Friendly tip - depth Dmen aren't in the lineup on a regular basis by definition.

Friendly tip - when you post dumb things and do so in a condescending manner, you come off looking like a jackass.
 

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First 6 games Muzzin played here were his best. I'm not sure anyone should be surprised that was with Morgan Rielly. That pairing looked good, and was broken up for no apparent reason.

Hainsey also looked terrific with Dermott.
 
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First 6 games Muzzin played here were his best. I'm not sure anyone should be surprised that was with Morgan Rielly. That pairing looked good, and was broken up for no apparent reason.

Hainsey also looked terrific with Dermott.
Rielly was struggling on the right side
 
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Gardiner was moving really well in that clip. Just as add here, Friedman obviously isn't that plugged into the Leafs, he was doom and gloom, and miracleously Jake is now nimble and skating backwards. He looks a bit foolish, because I assure you he didn't get off the couch yesterday skating that aggresssively.
 

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No he wasn't.
He was and that's the reason for the change. I expect he would have found his groove, given he's played well on the right side previously, but he was having trouble with picking up pucks, angling forwards and just in general adapting to speed and gap.
 

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He was and that's the reason for the change. I expect he would have found his groove, given he's played well on the right side previously, but he was having trouble with picking up pucks, angling forwards and just in general adapting to speed and gap.

He did not struggle on the right. He, in fact, hardly missed a beat. There definitely has been a narrative that it didn't work, but it's not reality.
 

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If the Playoffs start on the 11th against Boston, that would be about 6 weeks recovery for both of them from when they got injured. Dermott might get the last week of games in. Still not going to be too optimistic about Gardiner, back issues can regress as easily as they improve. Hope it works out though, at least Dermott is going to take a spot.
 

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The AHL guys injured (Rosen Borgman) are both a superior upgrade on Marincin and Holl. They were in the A because they would be wasted sitting in the press box all season. Thats what guys like M & H r 4. As FILLER. If the other 2 were healthy they would be up and playing. End of story.

Then the young GM should have had better guys in the 7-8 hole. He failed.
 
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