Garbage Bag Day/Exit Interviews

[FerklundCGY]

The post season shows the exact opposite in the dynamic. In the post season Monahan's numbers are much better away from Johnny. Regular season stats DO NOT matter when you look at post-season success. By almost every measure Johnny is lacking in the palyoffs. Personally I want to see a cup in Calgary and not presidents Trophies. But maybe you guys value the latter not my place to say.

Player 1	Player 2	GP	TOI	CF%	FF%	SF%	GF%	xGF%	SCF%	HDCF%	On-Ice SH%	On-Ice SV%	PDO
Sean Monahan	Johnny Gaudreau	9	117.3333333	53.75	53.48	49.24	33.33	50.5	52.27	48	3.08	94.03	0.971
Sean Monahan	w/o Johnny Gaudreau	9	5.216666667	57.14	61.54	66.67	-	69.14	50	100	0	100	1
w/o Sean Monahan	Johnny Gaudreau	9	16.3	38.71	40.91	46.67	0	25.4	35.29	16.67	0	87.5	0.875

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Using a 5 minute and 16 minute sample size

 

[Janks]

Using a 5 minute and 16 minute sample size

Well they’re from the playoffs, so it’s clearly more applicable than 2 seasons worth of games.

 

[GAMO1992]

I, too, would like to see Lindy used as our 1c besides Johnny, forcing Monahan and Backlund down would make us suuuuuper deep down the middle.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

I’m somewhat relieved to hear Lindy had a sprain because he sure wasn’t moving the same as he was earlier in the year.

Regarding Monahan and Gaudreau. Both were simply not good enough the last 2 months and were no shows in the playoffs. Really no one should be defending either one. Both need to be better and need to give more. For me personally at this point, we know Gaudreau is an elite winger, I’d first explore dealing Monahan + for someone like Stamkos. If that doesn’t work, then I would dangle Gaudreau.

 

[FerklundCGY]

I’m somewhat relieved to hear Lindy had a sprain because he sure wasn’t moving the same as he was earlier in the year.

Regarding Monahan and Gaudreau. Both were simply not good enough the last 2 months and were no shows in the playoffs. Really no one should be defending either one. Both need to be better and need to give more. For me personally at this point, we know Gaudreau is an elite winger, I’d first explore dealing Monahan + for someone like Stamkos. If that doesn’t work, then I would dangle Gaudreau.

Unfortunately Treliving said he only had the sprain for the last game

 

[SKRusty]

Using a 5 minute and 16 minute sample size

Nothing in your regular season stats would indicate that Johnny (3 pts) or Monny (4pts) 5v5 in the last 13 playoff games. In 2017 Sean and Bennett both looked dangerous against the Ducks while Johnny played with the same fear and hesitation.

Against the Av's Peters and the coaching staff refused to change the entry strategy by the first line having Johnny carrying the puck until he hit 2 or 3 Avalanche players at the blue line causing almost an instantaneous turn-over or a dump-in from a poor position.

After re-watching the Anaheim series from 2017 and the Avalanche series of 2019 you will notice how the focus of both teams was to knock Johnny off his game and in doing so getting Johnny to look to the ref's to save him. It took about 1/2 to 3/4 of a game to get Johnny to a point where he quit skating for the series and with every non-call Johnny became more and more abusive to the referees.

Ironically in 2017, Gully adjusted his entries while Peters did not. Monahan and Bennett were effective but bad a combination of bad goaltending and poor play by Johnny sunk the Flames hopes. Believe it or not the Flames were much closer to winning the series in 2017 than they were this year. Other than on the PP Johnny was completely ineffective the entire series.

Monahan was given the opportunity in 2017 to drive the play and despite not having played that role in 2.5 years he was very effective. If Johnny would have become engaged in the game-plan the Flames could have seen very different results.

Ironically the only proven playoff performer the Flames do have at this point offensively or defensively is Sam Bennett. The same Sam Bennett that half of those on this board wanted traded. I am starting to see Sam Bennett in the same mould as Justin Williams. Sam may never be stellar in 82 games but come the post-season he is nothing but money.

Monahan's performance ----WHEN you actually watch the games and not just look at stats---- was fairly impressive in 2017 and this is the only reason why I would give him another chance without Gaudreau.

Here are another 2 Amazing regular season performers that never delivered a cup. Between them they had 9 - 80 plus seasons and were touted as the best line in hockey. ZERO Stanley Cups. They did however put up the most team points in a season since the salary cap area started until this year.

Scoring	Goals	Shots	Ice Time
Season	Age	Tm	Lg	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	EV	PP	SH	GW	S	S%	TSA	TOI	ATOI	FOW	FOL	FO%	BLK	HIT	TK	GV
2000-01	20	VAN	NHL		4	1	2	3	-1	0	1	0	0	0	4	25.0		65	16:15
2001-02	21	VAN	NHL		6	0	1	1	0	0	0	0	0	0	6	0.0		64	10:44
2002-03	22	VAN	NHL		14	1	5	6	-2	8	0	1	0	1	22	4.5		173	12:23
2003-04	23	VAN	NHL		7	1	2	3	0	0	0	1	0	0	13	7.7		112	16:03
2006-07	26	VAN	NHL		12	2	3	5	-5	4	2	0	0	0	49	4.1		258	21:31
2008-09	28	VAN	NHL		10	4	6	10	4	8	2	2	0	0	36	11.1	48	186	18:37	3	3	50.0	5	6	4	3
2009-10	29	VAN	NHL		12	5	9	14	4	12	4	1	0	2	38	13.2	67	237	19:46	0	2	0.0	2	5	7	6
2010-11	30	VAN	NHL		25	9	11	20	-9	32	4	5	0	2	99	9.1	162	505	20:12	2	5	28.6	2	13	19	10
2011-12	31	VAN	NHL		2	0	2	2	0	0	0	0	0	0	4	0.0	16	40	20:07	0	0		0	1	0	1
2012-13	32	VAN	NHL		4	0	3	3	-2	14	0	0	0	0	11	0.0	24	83	20:43	0	1	0.0	0	4	1	0
2014-15	34	VAN	NHL		6	2	2	4	-1	0	2	0	0	1	22	9.1	35	110	18:22	5	4	55.6	0	1	2	1

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Scoring	Goals	Shots	Ice Time
Season	Age	Tm	Lg	GP	G	A	PTS	+/-	PIM	EV	PP	SH	GW	S	S%	TSA	TOI	ATOI	FOW	FOL	FO%	BLK	HIT	TK	GV
2000-01	20	VAN	NHL		4	0	4	4	1	0	0	0	0	0	3	0.0		66	16:31
2001-02	21	VAN	NHL		6	3	0	3	0	0	3	0	0	1	7	42.9		72	11:55
2002-03	22	VAN	NHL		14	3	2	5	-2	8	2	1	0	0	15	20.0		182	13:01
2003-04	23	VAN	NHL		7	2	2	4	0	2	0	2	0	0	11	18.2		112	16:02
2006-07	26	VAN	NHL		12	2	2	4	-8	14	1	1	0	1	24	8.3		266	22:12
2008-09	28	VAN	NHL		10	4	6	10	2	2	3	1	0	0	19	21.1	31	201	20:07	93	87	51.7	1	5	5	5
2009-10	29	VAN	NHL		12	3	11	14	3	6	3	0	0	1	23	13.0	35	248	20:38	155	108	58.9	2	4	6	11
2010-11	30	VAN	NHL		25	3	19	22	-11	16	1	2	0	1	46	6.5	83	524	20:57	222	263	45.8	10	12	21	11
2011-12	31	VAN	NHL		5	2	3	5	0	4	0	2	0	0	13	15.4	16	107	21:21	30	46	39.5	3	3	0	6
2012-13	32	VAN	NHL		4	0	3	3	0	4	0	0	0	0	5	0.0	7	83	20:45	41	47	46.6	0	7	3	2
2014-15	34	VAN	NHL		6	1	3	4	-1	2	0	1	0	0	15	6.7	23	113	18:50	66	65	50.4	2	2	5	7
Career		11 yrs	NHL		105	23	55	78	-16	58	13	10	0	4	181	12.7	255	1974	18:48	607	616	49.6	18	33	40	42

[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
[TFOOT] [/TFOOT]

If Calgary sticks with Gaudreau as their #1 LW this is Calgary's destiny. Just another Sedin-afternoon.

 

[flamesforcup]

I’m somewhat relieved to hear Lindy had a sprain because he sure wasn’t moving the same as he was earlier in the year.

Regarding Monahan and Gaudreau. Both were simply not good enough the last 2 months and were no shows in the playoffs. Really no one should be defending either one. Both need to be better and need to give more. For me personally at this point, we know Gaudreau is an elite winger, I’d first explore dealing Monahan + for someone like Stamkos. If that doesn’t work, then I would dangle Gaudreau.

Stamkos is a pretty bad playoff performer too and plays a similer style to Monahan idk if i would want him. Id rather target someone who plays fast and/or heavy. Im thinking Duchene/ROR Zibinajad

 

[Nanuuk]

From today's Sun...

Frolik says:
“I think the core has it, they can do it, but you need to add a few pieces still. I think we need more bigger bodies in the lineup going forward and the meanness and the hardness to be in the playoffs.”

Peters says:
“We want to get quicker. We want to get bigger,” Peters said. “We want to get more competitive. We’ve got to get younger. We want to get cheaper.

My take on this is that Flames players and management recognize the need for some grit and size and speed from a player and that they will look to do that. Personally, I can see a player or players being traded from the core.

If Peters wants to play Lindholm at C next year, one of our current C's will be gone. A RW spot will open up. And I'm not sure Neal will be that guy (see getting younger and faster quote). To get a big, fast winger (or two) there will be trades as I'm not sure Tre will sign a UFA (although Skinner is available).

While I'm not necessarily advocating trading Gaudreau and/or Monahan (without them no play-offs), they could bring back players of equal (or about equal value). Brodie will fetch a good return as well.

 

[BobColesNasalCavity]

I was holding out hope that Monahan had been shot in an attempted robbery or something and that he was playing through that injury which was why he was in ghost mode. I mean a cracked thumb sucks for shooting, but that doesn't explain why he couldn't forecheck.

 

[Johnny Hoxville]

I want Taylor Hall.

 

[Bounces R Way]

The playoffs left a bad taste in our mouths but that was still a very impressive season for the team. First 50 win season in 30 years. The core other than Gio is all still young and should learn something from both the season and the playoffs.

Especially encouraging was the way the young depth players played. Saw some significant development from Andersson, Mangiapane, Rittich, and even Hathaway. Valimaki and Kylington both showed some promise. Bennett and Jankowski had some nice stretches and some not so great ones. Was lukewarm on Hanifin and Lindholm and still am tbh, though the way Lindholm played the first half was very encouraging. Tkachuk and Gaudreau were unstoppable at times, once they figure out how to play like that consistently that's going to be a very scary tandem. Backlund and Frolik I thought were fairly good. Giordano was obviously incredible. Monahan, despite the way the season ended, had his first ppg campaign. Neal was crap, but I think he's still got the talent to bounce back. Derek Ryan was great the second half. The blueline is in good shape.

Lots of things to feel good about for the Calgary Flames. Really would not make any knee jerk reactions, this was Bill Peters' first year here. I do hope we see more of Lindholm at C next year, as well as some more ice time for Sam Bennett too while we're at it. Also Neal with Gaudreau more, not playing a finisher like him with your 60 assist star playmaking winger just doesn't make sense to me.

 

[EK47]

Hey guys, swede popping in. Didn’t quite know where to post this so if you feel the need to delete my comment please PM me to let me know where my question would be better suited

I was wondering how Rasmus Andersson has performed this year and what you see his ceiling as. I was also wondering what his injury status is like, because Sweden is in need of a good right handed dman in the world championships and from the limited viewings I’ve had of him this year (mainly towards the end of the season) I think he could be quite the surprise, he looks so composed.

 

[Khrox]

I was wondering how Rasmus Andersson has performed this year and what you see his ceiling as. I was also wondering what his injury status is like, because Sweden is in need of a good right handed dman in the world championships and from the limited viewings I’ve had of him this year (mainly towards the end of the season) I think he could be quite the surprise, he looks so composed.

His performance was pretty good this year. He was used in a lot of key moments (especially as an extra attacker with our goalie pulled). Right now, he's a third pairing D-man (can step up in a pinch, he's had moments on the top pairing this year) and PP guy. But I wouldn't be surprised if in 3-4 years he is our regular top pairing RS d (either number 1 or number 2, alongside our Finnish D-man Valimaki).

As far as injury status, as far as I know, he doesn't have any (probably just a little banged up from the physical style of playoff hockey).

 

[EK47]

His performance was pretty good this year. He was used in a lot of key moments (especially as an extra attacker with our goalie pulled). Right now, he's a third pairing D-man (can step up in a pinch, he's had moments on the top pairing this year) and PP guy. But I wouldn't be surprised if in 3-4 years he is our regular top pairing RS d (either number 1 or number 2, alongside our Finnish D-man Valimaki).

As far as injury status, as far as I know, he doesn't have any (probably just a little banged up from the physical style of playoff hockey).

Thanks hope he gets an invite.

 

[Unlimited Chequing]

Hey guys, swede popping in. Didn’t quite know where to post this so if you feel the need to delete my comment please PM me to let me know where my question would be better suited

I was wondering how Rasmus Andersson has performed this year and what you see his ceiling as. I was also wondering what his injury status is like, because Sweden is in need of a good right handed dman in the world championships and from the limited viewings I’ve had of him this year (mainly towards the end of the season) I think he could be quite the surprise, he looks so composed.

I don't really follow prospects and I'm so jaded from the Sutter days that I still expect nothing from players we draft, but when Rasmus made the big club regularly, I noticed him almost immediately. He's a smart and skilled player and I often forget how young he is so I'm excited to see him continue to develop. Quite honestly, I feel very comfortable when he's on the ice whereas other players like Brodie I'm a little nervous cause I'm never sure what I'm going to get.

He was brought up from the farm team when Hamonic got injured early in the season and impressed enough to stay the rest of the year. That says enough.

He's definitely going to be a top 2 pairing guy.

 

[Nanuuk]

Hey guys, swede popping in. Didn’t quite know where to post this so if you feel the need to delete my comment please PM me to let me know where my question would be better suited

I was wondering how Rasmus Andersson has performed this year and what you see his ceiling as. I was also wondering what his injury status is like, because Sweden is in need of a good right handed dman in the world championships and from the limited viewings I’ve had of him this year (mainly towards the end of the season) I think he could be quite the surprise, he looks so composed.

I can see Rasmus being the top pairing RD as early as next year as I believe TJ Brodie will be traded. The only unknown is whether he can handle 22+ minutes every night. The Flames could choose to bump Hamonic up to the first pairing, Andersson to second and Stone to the third. Or as rumour has it, they might even have a new young RD from Russia (Yeselin) to break in.

 

[Unlimited Chequing]

I can see Rasmus being the top pairing RD as early as next year as I believe TJ Brodie will be traded.

I've never been on the "trade Brodie" boat because I always felt that, despite all his faults, not having him would put us at a disadvantage more than having him. Yeah, he makes a lot of brainfarts, but when he's on his game he's pretty effective. With Rasmus being as good as he is, I feel that makes Brodie more expendable and he can bring in something good as he's got a very cap friendly contract.

 

[Nanuuk]

I had always envisioned Brodie to be a life long Flame. A kid who came up through the ranks with elite skating ability and defensively sound. The season previous is when he first started displaying some horrendous brain-farts. This year he cut down of them immensely. For the most part he is sound in our own end and plays the transition game to a T. His conditioning is also elite. If I had to list what I consider to be weaknesses in his game, he doesn't think the game fast enough sometimes, especially in the O Zone. He could and should shoot more instead of trying to think and make the perfect pass.

TJ reminds me of JC Tremblay (for any re-ally old fans in this forum). You not going to get him knocking guys off of the puck, but his skill set complements others.

At the end of the day though, the Flames will have to clear cap space or end up like a Toronto or Pittsburgh. To me this means, one of Brodie or Hamonic and maybe Stone to boot. Trade them now or during the season or face losing one during the expansion draft. Brodie has the most value I believe and should fetch a good return.

 

[Dack]

I don't know what this stat is, but seeing as he's the only guy on the team who regularly creates scoring chances it's not a huge surprise.

This stat includes Avalanche players btw. I'm beginning to think that having a center who's entire game revolves around trying to get open in the slot might not be the best way to score when the defense tightens up.

 

[super6646]

I don't know what this stat is, but seeing as he's the only guy on the team who regularly creates scoring chances it's not a huge surprise.

This stat includes Avalanche players btw. I'm beginning to think that having a center who's entire game revolves around trying to get open in the slot might not be the best way to score when the defense tightens up.

But he’s the problem though!!!!

Monahan is what he is. We need another offensive centre if we want to realistically get better. Could be Lindy or someone else, but we need an upgrade. Imagine if we got ROR instead of Neal... sigh

 

[super6646]

San Jose looks like shit so far.

 

[Kranix]

I don't know what this stat is, but seeing as he's the only guy on the team who regularly creates scoring chances it's not a huge surprise.

This stat includes Avalanche players btw. I'm beginning to think that having a center who's entire game revolves around trying to get open in the slot might not be the best way to score when the defense tightens up.

Gaudreau was really trying. Monahan looked frail and flimsy.

 

[Tofveve]

Yeah, hopefully this ends the narrative that if Monahan is struggling, it must be because he's injured.

While the whole top line struggled after the all star break, Monahan was clearly the worst of the bunch. Lindholm still, for the most part, excelled defensively while Gaudreau was still creating offensively. And when he was finally moved away from Monahan, the points started coming back too.

Treliving needs to take a good long look at upgrading the top line centre position. Either by using other assets and simply pushing Monahan down to the second line or by directly using Monahan as a trade chip.

I wonder if we'd go after a Kadri?

I'd expect another piece, like a first round draft pick too.

Kadri's downside is he's a bad decision away from being suspended for half a season. But maybe that's where his price is low for the play he brings.

Kadri is just as skilled or more skilled. He plays a tougher brand than what Mony does. I think he'd have the same production or better and likely more consistent playing with a Gaudreau.

Just a thought. I don't know who else is out there that we could get.

 

[Tofveve]

Another trade could be Brodie and Mony for Marner and Kadri. Toronto needs a D man and they won't be able to afford everyone without dumping some salary. Mony's age and perceived upgrade to Kadri could outweigh what they lose in Marner, though selling Brodie as an elite D for another 4 to 5 years would also help lessen the loss.

 

[FlamerForLife]

edit: wrong thread