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Janks

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So my suspicions that it was something to do with his hands/wrists weren't too far off then. Noticed it every time he went to shoot.
Have to think it's from all the slashes he took. Surprised he didn't get more rest going down the stretch to hopefully let it heal.

Does make me wonder about his skating though - he moved his feet FAR less in the slot after the AS break which contributed to his poor scoring totals.
 

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Have to think it's from all the slashes he took. Surprised he didn't get more rest going down the stretch to hopefully let it heal.

Does make me wonder about his skating though - he moved his feet FAR less in the slot after the AS break which contributed to his poor scoring totals.

Boggles my mind why he kept playing when Lindy was an option at centre. Bring in insurance and don’t bother using it... pfft.
 

SKRusty

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Yeah, we get it, you don't like Gaudreau and will go out of your way to find any excuse for Monahan's soft play. You've made that clear enough.

Contrary to your opinion I have been critical of Monahan but unlike you I see the problems on the first line as more of an issue on the left side.

Sam Bennett hands down was the best forward for the Flames on this run. To attribute Johnny actually working in game 5 to Sam is wrong too. Johnny was called out in the media with many of the points I made and he had to do something to change that narrative a little. That is the reason Johnny started turning his game around.

Being a star in the regular season does not make you a star in the playoffs and to this point in 12 physical playoff games Johnny has wilted in every one except game 5 against the Av's. (The Flames hit a bad run of bad bounces including bounces against Johnny.) That still does not give him a pass for his piss poor attitude in the other 4 games.
 

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All of the stats are from Natural stat trick and are 5v5 score adjusted, the first period is as large of a sample ad the site can do and the most recent 3 season sample. They both had low PDOs away from each other which is why their GF% is so low in the 3 year sample.

Legend

Corsi for % = CF%
Expected goals % = xGF%
High danger corsi for % = HDCF%
Goals for % = GF%
2016-2017 to 2018-2019ToiCF%xGF%HDCF%GF%
Together270654.352.853.6 56.3
Monahan without Gaudreau51746.341.339.96! 38.1
Gaudreau without Monahan75349.351.453 44.4
[TBODY] [/TBODY]


This one is just this year small sample size for Monahan, but Gaudreaus on ice stats were actually better away from him...


Stat 2018-2019ToiCF%xGF%HDCF% GF%
Together105154.253.553.2 55.9
Monahan without Gaudreau 88.452.247.350 17.2
Gaudreau without Monahan21457.159.3158.5 54.8
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

Same pattern keeps up with things like FF%, SF% and SCF%


Being a star in the regular season doesn't make you a star in the playoffs, but Monahan isn't a star in either.
 

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Have to think it's from all the slashes he took. Surprised he didn't get more rest going down the stretch to hopefully let it heal.

Does make me wonder about his skating though - he moved his feet FAR less in the slot after the AS break which contributed to his poor scoring totals.

Almost certainly why, wonder how long he was playing with it like that. I guess he really was Sean Mono Hand.

I'll see myself out.
 

SKRusty

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So from your observations - you can definitely say that he has a reputation with the refs and that "most crews hate dealing with Johnny". Does that mean you're friends with the refs?

Once again - that's your opinion, so get off your high horse man. You're acting like everyone else here hasn't watched a game live and seen it first hand. I think Johnny does whine too much, but making blanket statements like you're making, and claiming them as fact is ridiculous at best.

Prove me wrong and go interview the refs. You talk about getting a source. Find yours to prove your point.
 

Calculon

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So basically Monahan can't keep his hands healthy. Not great news either.

The thumb thing explains how his shot fell off and why he stopped scoring in the second half. He was still pretty good in the draw though which is kind of interesting.

Doesn't explain why he stopped skating or competing though.
 

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So basically Monahan can't keep his hands healthy. Not great news either.

The thumb thing explains how his shot fell off and why he stopped scoring in the second half. He was still pretty good in the draw though which is kind of interesting.

Doesn't explain why he stopped skating or competing though.

Either needs to change his style of play or get robotic hands lol
 
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InfinityIggy

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So basically Monahan can't keep his hands healthy. Not great news either.

The thumb thing explains how his shot fell off and why he stopped scoring in the second half. He was still pretty good in the draw though which is kind of interesting.

Doesn't explain why he stopped skating or competing though.

Definitely not great news. Did JG keep using those modified gloves that the equipment staff made for him? Maybe Monahan should invest in some of those.

Doesn't excuse his skating though for sure.
 

Calculon

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Treliving's on the fan960:

  • Generic opening
  • "Important not to over react, but also important not to under react."
  • In response to question about size or toughness or something: "there are qualities in the team they will look at." Always want to get bigger, tougher but they actually have to be able to play
  • Thought the team got beat; would have been a sweep if not for the goaltending in game one
  • "Need your best players to be the best players, but you need to support them too"
  • Can't expect one or two guys to do all the heavy lifting
  • The team is as healthy as they could be; Monahan had a crack in his thumb, Rittich had a knee injury that didn't prevent him from playing but was a nuisance, Lindholm has a slight AC sprain in his last game - but no surgical stuff as far as he anticipates
  • Called Smith, Backlund, Tkachuk and Bennett as the most impactful going back to game one
  • More generic stuff about Tkachuk's upcoming contract negotiation
  • Regarding summer moves: "It's early. Lots of turnover last summer." Won't predict how many changes will be made but the team will be different. Cap world. There will be changes to an unknown degree.
  • Generic stuff about Peters
  • On Neal: thinks he will pull of his boot strings and be better. But the team needs to help him get there.
  • On whether this roster can compete for a cup: first takes a long drinking pause, then says it's too early. Can't line up the core group on the plank. Believes in this group but needs to take a long look at this group and figure out the why. No answers right now.
  • On goaltending: both without contracts; was on the last of things that went wrong in the playoffs. "I believe in David a lot." David is certainly a real good goalie in this league. Some stuff about Smith getting through adversity.
  • Autopsy of the season starts with Treliving
  • Are there guys on this roster they won't trade? Yeah, there are guys that would be really difficult to trade; certainly guys he's not looking to trade. Brings up Datsyuk and Zetterberg as examples for patience.
  • Regular season is where you make your money; playoffs are where you make your legacy. Regular season vs playoff performance is something they'll look at
 

Janks

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Prove me wrong and go interview the refs. You talk about getting a source. Find yours to prove your point.
:laugh: Not how it works buddy. I'm not the one raising claims about refs hating Johnny - so do your own work on that one. You might want to take a walk in the real world and do actual research before making up false claims based on your "astute" observations.
 

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Is the coaching staff aware of these injuries that Monahan picks up or does he keep them to himself? Down the stretch, he might have benefited from rest as home-ice was all but secured by early March.
 

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At least is isn't Monahan's wrist.
And ouch for Lindy. I'm dealing with an AC sprain and doing physio currently. It's manageable, but it's a constant dull, background pain and discomfort, and things just don't move right, or as strong. You can work though them, but you aren't as effective, and you have a lot less endurance.
 

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Definitely not great news. Did JG keep using those modified gloves that the equipment staff made for him? Maybe Monahan should invest in some of those.

Doesn't excuse his skating though for sure.
The modified gloves were mainly for his wrists if I remember correctly. The problem with thicker gloves is how it likely affects stickhandling and all that.
Either needs to change his style of play or get robotic hands lol
I think we all know what Monahan needs to do
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Is the coaching staff aware of these injuries that Monahan picks up or does he keep them to himself? Down the stretch, he might have benefited from rest as home-ice was all but secured by early March.
I'm sure they know - but he likely down plays it because he wants to be a difference maker. Last season showed me that after playing through all his injuries for as long as he did.

Might not be the smartest thing for him to do - but if it's not getting worse, maybe they feel they can play him.
 
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The modified gloves were mainly for his wrists if I remember correctly. The problem with thicker gloves is how it likely affects stickhandling and all that.

I think we all know what Monahan needs to do
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Ahhh... too bad the writing went to shit once fox canceled it (this was the last original episode). Even then, I still found futurama enjoyable to the end. Hope someone brings it back someday.
 
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Calculon

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Friedman on right now and also saying Monahan disappearing down the stretch is the biggest issue. To paraphrase, Gaudreau at least gets you to the playoffs. Was a hart trophy candidate for most of the season. Players like that are hard to find. Meanwhile, most of Monahan's goals in the regular season (~25) were basically from in front of the net and in the playoffs, he had maybe four shots from that area.
 
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SKRusty

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All of the stats are from Natural stat trick and are 5v5 score adjusted, the first period is as large of a sample ad the site can do and the most recent 3 season sample. They both had low PDOs away from each other which is why their GF% is so low in the 3 year sample.

Legend

Corsi for % = CF%
Expected goals % = xGF%
High danger corsi for % = HDCF%
Goals for % = GF%
2016-2017 to 2018-2019ToiCF%xGF%HDCF%GF%
Together270654.352.853.6 56.3
Monahan without Gaudreau51746.341.339.96! 38.1
Gaudreau without Monahan75349.351.453 44.4
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

This one is just this year small sample size for Monahan, but Gaudreaus on ice stats were actually better away from him...


Stat 2018-2019ToiCF%xGF%HDCF% GF%
Together105154.253.553.2 55.9
Monahan without Gaudreau 88.452.247.350 17.2
Gaudreau without Monahan21457.159.3158.5 54.8
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
Same pattern keeps up with things like FF%, SF% and SCF%


Being a star in the regular season doesn't make you a star in the playoffs, but Monahan isn't a star in either.

The post season shows the exact opposite in the dynamic. In the post season Monahan's numbers are much better away from Johnny. Regular season stats DO NOT matter when you look at post-season success. By almost every measure Johnny is lacking in the palyoffs. Personally I want to see a cup in Calgary and not presidents Trophies. But maybe you guys value the latter not my place to say.

Player 1Player 2GPTOICF%FF%SF%GF%xGF%SCF%HDCF%On-Ice SH%On-Ice SV%PDO
Sean MonahanJohnny Gaudreau9117.333333353.7553.4849.2433.3350.552.27483.0894.030.971
Sean Monahanw/o Johnny Gaudreau95.21666666757.1461.5466.67-69.145010001001
w/o Sean MonahanJohnny Gaudreau916.338.7140.9146.67025.435.2916.67087.50.875
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
 

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I'm sure they

I'm sure they know - but he likely down plays it because he wants to be a difference maker. Last season showed me that after playing through all his injuries for as long as he did.

Might not be the smartest thing for him to do - but if it's not getting worse, maybe they feel they can play him.
Putting the team above all else and playing through pain is certainly a noble thing to do but you have to wonder if it's already started to take a toll on him. It's part of the reason why I'm not a huge fan of 82-game seasons - there just doesn't seem to be enough time for players to recover outside of the new league-mandated bye week.

It's just weird how both Peters was so reluctant to sit or at least temporarily demote Monahan at points where he clearly wasn't at his best (health-wise and/or form-wise). Ryan and Bennett clearly showed they could hang with Gaudreau in limited viewings and we didn't really need the points
 

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The post season shows the exact opposite in the dynamic. In the post season Monahan's numbers are much better away from Johnny. Regular season stats DO NOT matter when you look at post-season success. By almost every measure Johnny is lacking in the palyoffs. Personally I want to see a cup in Calgary and not presidents Trophies. But maybe you guys value the latter not my place to say.

Player 1Player 2GPTOICF%FF%SF%GF%xGF%SCF%HDCF%On-Ice SH%On-Ice SV%PDO
Sean MonahanJohnny Gaudreau9117.333333353.7553.4849.2433.3350.552.27483.0894.030.971
Sean Monahanw/o Johnny Gaudreau95.21666666757.1461.5466.67-69.145010001001
w/o Sean MonahanJohnny Gaudreau916.338.7140.9146.67025.435.2916.67087.50.875
[TBODY] [/TBODY]

5 minutes and 16 minutes. Wow, gonna draw a lot from that.
 
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5 minutes and 16 minutes. Wow, gonna draw a lot from that.
Just about to say that lmao. That could literally be anything its 5 minutes, in that time Crosby could be worse off away from a guy like John Scott it's such a small sample size it's completely meaningless.
 
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Janks

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The post season shows the exact opposite in the dynamic. In the post season Monahan's numbers are much better away from Johnny. Regular season stats DO NOT matter when you look at post-season success. By almost every measure Johnny is lacking in the palyoffs. Personally I want to see a cup in Calgary and not presidents Trophies. But maybe you guys value the latter not my place to say.

Player 1Player 2GPTOICF%FF%SF%GF%xGF%SCF%HDCF%On-Ice SH%On-Ice SV%PDO
Sean MonahanJohnny Gaudreau9117.333333353.7553.4849.2433.3350.552.27483.0894.030.971
Sean Monahanw/o Johnny Gaudreau95.21666666757.1461.5466.67-69.145010001001
w/o Sean MonahanJohnny Gaudreau916.338.7140.9146.67025.435.2916.67087.50.875
[TBODY] [/TBODY]
:popcorn: So you're basing your analysis off a combined 21.516666667 minutes?
 
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SKRusty

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5 minutes and 16 minutes. Wow, gonna draw a lot from that.
Likely more relevant than trying to infer performance based on numbers from the regular season to post season.

After Chucky's contract is signed there are many that would like to see him beside Monahan and Lindholm and then a real assessment or indictment on play could be made. When Monny was shut down last season we got a good preview of Johnny away from Sean. Clarity would be brought by playing Monahan with arguably the 3rd and 4th best forwards on the team.

I contend Chucky is Calgary's franchise left winger and gives Calgary a better shot at winning the cup in that role than Gaudreau provides.

I think the best move for the Flames in the off-season is to sign Duchene and trade Johnny. Call Duchene the first line center or whatever but with Duchene, Monahan and Backlund there would be few teams that could line-up down the center.
 
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Dack

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Here's the 2015 playoffs

Stat ToiCF%xGF%HDCF%
Together 12641.941.337.24
Monahan without Gaudreau 2724.220.516.8
Gaudreau without Monahan 3550.752.750.5
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I've recently learned that 5 minutes of sample size in the playoffs is worth more than 100s of regular season. But 30 minutes in the playoffs should beat either right?


Also I'd love to see a cup in Calgary which is why I wouldn't trade Gaudreau to build around Sean f***ing Monahan.
 
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